On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Bryen M. Yunashko <suserocks(a)bryen.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 11:51 +1100, Mark V wrote:
It is important that this Board decision be made
public (on this
Ideally the Board's full reasoning should also be given so that people
can be fully informed about how the guidelines are interpreted, and
You have my word that whatever decision the Board decides to make will
be fully public. We have held open meetings for all of our Board
meetings for several months now and are always striving to make our
process more open to the community.
You are welcome to attend one of our meetings which is held every two
weeks in the #opensuse-project IRC channel. Our next meeting will be
tomorrow at 19:00 UTC.
The full threads of this issue has been forwarded to the Board and we
will review it as quickly as possible. I cannot guarantee that it will
be on tomorrow's topic as I personally want to make sure that every
Board member has had an opportunity to read through the full thread
before issuing an opinion on this matter. But it will be done in the
very near future, for sure.
As two of our board members will not be present at tomorrow's meeting, I
would personally prefer we not issue such an important decision at
In the spirit of openness, I will state that my preliminary (and I
emphasize "preliminary") is that such a statement is reprehensible. It
is something that I would never utter, and it is something that I agree
has no place in a forum such as ours.
The signature statement referred to is controversial, inflamatory and
makes some feel uncomfortable.
I don't know enough about the religion to know if it is accurate or
defensible - it sounds like it is not from the indignation everyone is
expressing. So let's assume that it is inaccurate.
- We have one person who has complained, and who has indicated the
consensus of another maillist was that he is overreacting.
- From this thread it sounds like the complainer hasn't approached
the poster to ask them to desist. Correct ?
- If the poster has been approached, asking them to stop using the
tagline/signature, have they refused, /and/ continued to use the
signature at issue?
I have personally experienced
persecution at the hands of another religion in my childhood years and
therefore it is very personal to me when I see someone attacking a
relgion, whether it is my religion or someone else's religion.
Hmm, what you propose is effectively vigilante justice - 'I am a
vicitm therefore I have special status to judge'. For the record -
If anything, in most administration/due-process systems you'd now be
expected to excuse yourself from the decison making - no?
Of course you'd make an excellent statement to the list, for the
board's consumption, about why this isn't just free expression to be
tolerated even if it is offensive.
Maybe you help establish the statement is obviously false?
But we must tread carefully to address the question of
where is the line
drawn. Many of us express opinions about life in general in our
signature tags. And many of those opinions expressed are fairly harmless
and are not interpreted as offensive in any way.
Correct. Offense/discomfort is in the eye of the beholder.
So, can I really get someone removed from the community just by
claiming I am offended or made to feel uncomfortable by some stupid
comment, or quote they repeat, in a section of the email that is
clearly marked as not part of the email substantive content?
Without asking them to stop?
Without them continuing after they have been asked to stop?
But at what point does
it cross the line? Some, like this one, are very clear, and others are
not so clear, and subject to interpretation.
Again, I'll defer to your knowledge of the religion.
Regulating taglines in such a way is not going to be
as easy as one
might think and I want to see us come to a decision that is not viewed
as censorship but also ensures the safe and positive collaboration of
all participants in this project, across religious, political, cultural,
racial and gender divides. That is what we, the Board, will have to
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