On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 22:36 +0200, Adrian Schröter wrote:
On Freitag, 10. April 2020, 17:44:30 CEST wrote PGNet Dev:
i'm (re-, re-re-)reading up on these^ just-announced CloserTogether/NewLeap/Jump plans.
given current plans, I'm trying to get a sense for whether we end up with more/less 'flexibility'. i know the question's been/being asked; i don't yet fully understand the answer.
i realize the plans are in flux.
here's my use-case.
for opensuse-based production, none of the current releases -- out of the box -- meet my requirements.
instead, currently, use a stable Leap core, with add'l repos -- devel or my own -- as needed.
that approach is bumping into evermore significant limitations.
particularly around 'base' tech'y.
e.g.,
i use Kernel:Stable on Leap, with a rebuilt base:System Dracut, and the firmware upgrades that install along with it.
i've switched to systemd-networkd rather than wicked for network mgmt.
PRE-jump plans, Leap 15.2 remains stuck at Systemd v234 -- as that's the stable SLE-15* release. Afaict, it STAYS at that version for the entire 15x lifetime; unless/until there's a security-mandated update.
with wireguard now native in-kernel, i'd like to use systemd- networkd's native WG support. but that's NOT available until systemd v>= 237; TW, of course, is at 244/245 already.
does this CloserTogether "future" make it more, or less, likely that the 'Jump' release will have the flexibility to swap/enable version upgrades of key/core components -- in this case, systemd?
or does Jump continue to stay stuck on old versions, leaving TW as the only choice of released version for newer base/core tech?
Jump would also stuck. It is not really a difference to use source or binaries from SLE in this regard.
Yes, TW is the only way in openSUSE for a distro with newer versions. Well, except that it is seen valuable (and safe) to update in next SLE service pack.
But Leap and Jump do not differ here with current plans at least.
Let me remind people of tick-tock SLE model. Where second allows greater changes when it comes to SLE/Leap overlapping packages. Same would apply for Jump/Leap. Great systemd update would have to make it to Tock releases. People will have later in year an "official process" to request such change. The sooner and better justification, the greater the chance is.
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