-------- Original Message --------<br>On 10 Apr 2024, 10:11 am, Simon Lees &lt; sflees@suse.de&gt; wrote:<br>On 4/10/24 3:59 AM, Shawn W Dunn wrote: &gt; On 4/8/24 18:20, Simon Lees wrote: &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On 4/9/24 12:07 AM, Shawn W Dunn wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt; On 4/8/24 03:48, Neal Gompa wrote: &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; == Admins & Mods == &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * Currently lots of toxicity and non-sense on IRC &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * Very unwelcoming towards, in particular, new users asking for help &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * AI: Simon: Will monitor #opensuse, if we reintroduce the irc matrix &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; bridge we won't bridge that channel to matrix &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; #openSUSE has been relatively quiet and well-behaved the last week or &gt;&gt;&gt; two, #openSUSE-chat is still much of the same, partially due to one &gt;&gt;&gt; of the perpetrators still being a ChanOp, so it's a little hard to &gt;&gt;&gt; moderate. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The purpose and role of #openSUSE-chat has always been pretty much &gt;&gt; anything goes as long as its not a clear violation of the code of &gt;&gt; conduct and as such there should generally be pretty minimal need for &gt;&gt; moderation. I'd be hesitant to move it away from such a role without &gt;&gt; strong agreement from the community that's been active there for many &gt;&gt; years. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Maybe there is room / need for a space / channel that covers something &gt;&gt; in between primarily trying to provide support and Anything goes for &gt;&gt; say openSUSE or Linux specific chat. But i'd be doing such by creating &gt;&gt; a new channel rather then trying to change the role of #opensuse-chat. &gt;&gt; &gt; #chat:opensuse.org on matrix is generally much more active, and &gt; currently fills that role.   And openSUSE actually gets talked about there. &gt; &gt; While I can certainly understand the desire to have more general &gt; "shooting the breeze" type channels, where "openSUSE The Project" might &gt; not be the main focus of that channel, and more "openSUSE The Community" &gt; is, that really isn't what #opensuse-chat appears to me to be providing. &gt; &gt; It primarily seems to be a place for a small handful of long time users &gt; to hang out, and engage in some sort of flatulence fetish, which I &gt; personally find both crude, and unwelcoming to other folks, and question &gt; it's value to remain under the umbrella of the openSUSE organization. &gt; &gt; Just in my light skimming of the channel, when I have time to scroll &gt; through things, "openSUSE the Project" and "openSUSE the Community" are &gt; rarely discussed, and oftentimes when they *do* come up, they're only &gt; brought up in negative terms. &gt; &gt; Obviously, I can choose not to be in the channel, but is this sort of &gt; thing really representative of the project, if somebody were to somehow &gt; have #opensuse-chat be their first experience interacting with the &gt; Community? #opensuse-chat really should never be anyone's first interaction with the community, that is the roll of #opensuse. The roll of #opensuse-chat has always been for offtopic discussion allowing regular users of #opensuse to discuss things considered off topic there. This extended to the point where on freenode we used to have a bot setup with the command "!offtopic " which channel moderators could use to send a message saying. : this current discussion is offtopic for #opensuse, please continue the discussion in #opensuse-chat. Naturally over time a community of long term users have developed there and formed strong long term friendships, so I am hesitant to want to take that space away from them and occasionally if people get really off-topic on the main channel and someone else is looking for help we do still send people there. In hindsight #opensuse-offtopic might be a better name but the channel has now existed in its current form since before I joined the project 15 years ago, so I think it'd take a pretty strong case to move it. Also unlike Matrix and Discord irc channels are not immediately discoverable so I wouldn't expect large numbers of new users to end up there. For the record, I haven't always been regularly in that channel because at times in the past the volume of posts was far to high for me to keep up with. But semi regularly i'll join to have a chat with people i've know from #opensuse for many years. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) <a href="http://simotek.net">http://simotek.net</a> Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B <br><br><br><br>Considering that you're the only board member replying in this thread I tend to interpret your messages as the stand of the board on the matter. How quickly things can change, but if the current board is happy with things as they are, and consider it normal that's great I guess. <br>Eye opening, really. <br><br>--<br>Br,<br>A.