On 4/23/20 11:18 AM, James Mason wrote:
> Trying to get ANY of the updated versions
supported on SLE is an
> uphill battle, at best.
While getting a new version in place would be a major
because of the promise of compatiblity, getting problems fixed
shouldn't be any more difficult than filing a bugzilla entry, on the
SLE product, explaining the bug, and being willing to supply supporting
information upon request.
*Personally*, I absolutely agree with the *should* be. That hasn't been the
experience -- for Base:System core issues, like this systemd 'challenge' as one
And, for me, it's NOT SLE *or* Leap. Here they're one, necessarily-intertwined
ecosystem; chosen *because* of their similarities & shared stability & strengths,
as well as the productive 'tension' due to their somewhat-independence.
Virtually ALL dev & sysdamin here -- where Suse* is involved -- has been on
openSUSE/Leap. The 'promise' of the 'closeness' between the two
projects has, in theory, been that, in large part, fixed for significant
bugs'/brokenness filed against one find their way to the other.
Most frequently, thought not exclusively, here, bugs get filed against openSUSE -- as
they're left in the open, engage many of the same persons, etc etc
Do note that the aforementioned "... we can't afford to backport a feature each
time an openSUSE user is missing one ..." non-response came from @suse *staff*.
(and, yes, this speaks to many of the same comments folks have been making in the
recent/ongoing 'Jump' discussions about 'closeness' etc)
These "we don't wanna" issues re: Core have been going on for years, with
increasing concern & effect, as evidenced for us by our large migrations to other
platforms. The topics have been raised though $channels, at Summits & Conferences,
... and even by 'just me' on the foss channels.
The only thing that's changed currently from my perspective is that -- finally --
I've bumped into an issue (this systemd biz) that I can't (more or less)
trivially OBS-build my way out of. AND, that 15.2/sp2 have, apparently, decided to stick
with the old/decrepit version.
As a hobby, there's still runway left (?) for being stubborn.
But for business, it's a dealbreaker. The Nth time you're refused, ignored, etc
& told to 'stop whining', 'use something else', 'do it
yourself' etc ... you mitigate cost & risk, and just _do_.
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