On 12/28/06, Thomas Hertweck
Just look at opensuse - 75% is OT or useless, there are the guys who think they own the truth and don't allow any other opinion (which usually leads to heated discussions, e.g. whether programming is just writing text or a bit more than that), there are the guys who think they have to reply to each email (whether they have a useful contribution or not; usually, it's a waste of time), then there are the old guys who have to mention their experiences with PC systems from 1956 or so in almost every thread (otherwise their ego would be hurt), there are guys who instead of just reading what is written tend to read everything in between the lines and come up with obscure interpretations of an email and what it might mean, and so on... Frankly, I think serious discussion by email without any restrictions are not possible.
You forgot, people who make sweeping generalizations :-) It is ironic that the original post suggesting email by discussion has degraded into a "nah that will never work", instead of coming up with constructive steps to improve discussion on this list. Some of the characteristics that you describe are characteristics of people, so unless we get rid of them it doesn't matter what the communication medium is. If one takes the posts in December, the biggest issue is OT posts, about packages or issues, I personally see these as a small annoyance, and can be quickly dealt with by pointing the people to the correct list. Besides Mark Shuttleworth's notable post, call for help on the Education front, launch of opensuse-community.org, I will agree that we did not do much of substance in December. In regard to Rajko's initial email, I will bring up these points: 1. We could for every second meeting switch between a morning meeting and afternoon meeting (in local time to SUSE) - I actually brought this up a long time ago and it was rejected but it could be re examined again, to allow more people to attend at least every second meeting. 2. Anybody can take the transcript and continue discussion of any topic here (of course too late for any decision that has already been made in a meeting) 3. To truly have a "meeting via email" I think we would need a moderated list just like we moderate IRC during meetings, or those would turn into chaos as well. Pflodo Peter Flodin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org