On 3 July 2018 at 15:02, Knurpht@openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org> wrote:
2018-07-03 13:21 GMT+02:00 Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de>:
On 03/07/18 19:55, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
The board has been through this before, maybe it would make sense to invite some of the old board members to your discussions so we don't have to go through this again and again? :-)
We have a Richard who has been on the board for quite some time and has given us a list of options that the board has looked into in the past and decided were unfeasible / not possible so we are not looking at those and are instead looking at some other possible alternatives.
Simon I have to disagree with you on that. It is true that we are really lucky of having Richard in the board, who can give us many details about what happens in the last 5 years. But if there is someone who can help as to have the whole picture and who is willing to meet with us, I think we should really listen to him. If at the end the information we find out doesn't help us, it is not a problem, but that we missed some important information, then we have a big problem. I have already wrote two hours ago an email to the board mailing list to see what the other think and to discuss how is the best way that this can happen, so Simon let discuss it there instead of in the project mailing list ;)
2018-07-03 14:34 GMT+02:00 Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@opensuse.org>:
Be open about it unless you want this discussion popping up every once in a while, Foundation wiki portal is a great place to put that information
Fair enough. So why haven't you put it there if you already researched it and wrote an article about it? :-)
Please give us a little bit more of time to make a proper research of all the options and come up with a proposal. As Simon already explained, we haven't decided anything yet, we have just some ideas and we are trying to find out what could work better and there will be chances for everybody to give his opinion. The only reason why this was said now, it is because of the concerns about SUSE being acquired by EQT. But to be honest this is something we were considering beforeii and I personally don't think that the relation between openSUSE and SUSE is going to change now. Even if it does, I don't know if having an openSUSE Foundation would solve the problem (but this is a problem that we at the moment don't have).
Regards,
Ana I'm with Ana here. And I like the idea of consulting previous board members. I've been around since S.u.S.E. and from 2005 on, this discussion has come up over and over again, with peaks around the various sales of SUSE. Becoming an independent foundation is not that easy, specially not now after
Op dinsdag 3 juli 2018 14:55:01 CEST schreef Ana Martínez: the coming to effect of GDPR. With former board members joining us in the discussion, we might get some info/points we haven't thought about yet. No idea how this could relate to something like SPI though.
I have no problem with wizened old elders of the project contributing to this discussion in our board meetings. a lot of things may have changed in the 7 years since this was last discussed in deep seriousness, but it is important enough that the current board should have as much accurate context from that time as possible. and i echo that philosophy also in a broader sense - if anyone in the project has ideas, experience, or other thoughts on this topic, please make yourself heard - there is no way anything can change, or stay, the way the project wants if lots of people stay quiet on the topic my personal view on the topic is that I trust SUSE and see many advantages with the status quo - i feel we currently have a situation of an effective mexican standoff. SUSE provides the project with a great deal, openSUSE provides a lot in return. if either side would ever go rogue and significantly damage the relationship, it would be devastating to both organisations. that said, ideas like openSUSE joining SPI could give opensuse additional capabilities to handle money in ways that it currently cannot. So I am curious about any investigations in this area, especially as I see how SPI membership could help mitigate many of the concerns people have regarding the possibilities of trust breaking down.
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