Would it be possible to combine this thread with the other one titled "After the Richard talk... what's new for openSUSE”? Sincerely, Bob Martens
On May 1, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> wrote:
Am 01.05.2015 um 16:48 schrieb Jan Engelhardt:
A so-patched version then also fails to resemble anything in original documentation, creating confusion whereever you look. Time and again, I have people emailing me about xtables-addons(-1.x) which, while it supports 2.6.32, does not support whatever RHEL calls "2.6.32". Or more globally put, upstream will rightfully call them bastardized versions and at worst refuse assistance.
No downgrades (slew it like ntp), no feature backports (bump package instead), no version games. These are my openSUSE ideals.
I can agree to these ideals - no doubt.
The question is: can the openSUSE project afford to live these ideals or are we better off with doing Tumbleweed according to the "upstream first" policy and leave the dirty patching of systemd to SUSE. RHEL and SLE will not stop creating these bastards because their businesses require it. And yes, upstreams often refuse assistance and they rightfully do. But still I don't really see too many openSUSE contributors interested in fixing bugs in systemd versions released with openSUSE releases. Usually the answer the reporter gets is: fixed in upstream/Factory. So I don't think current openSUSE releases serve the typical user's needs best. But that's who we make them for, aren't we? We don't do them to please xtable-addons upstream - so perhaps we should stop caring for them as our main concern.
Greetings, Stephan P.S. this might have been the longest mail I wrote in a year or so :)
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