On 02.10.19 15:49, Richard Brown wrote:
On Wed, 2019-10-02 at 13:44 +0200, Henne
So if you put the vote forward like that, people will have a vote on
something they can imagine very well (a.k.a. status quo) versus some
If the Project votes for not changing the name, I expect the following
- The Board...
Yes, sure, this means the vote has potentially unbalanced outcomes -
one option is immediately actionable with a goal that is immediately
realisable and one is an option which is more uncertain.
To be as blunt as you taught me to be, such is life.
But that doesn't mean the board *should* just put life out for a vote to
a group of people and expect them to do the right thing. Not if we
expect something good coming out of this!
If something is as unclear as everything is right now the board can not
rely on people to decide the right thing. It's the boards job to eat the
bullet and make things clear and more balanced, sorry.
Regardless, either option compells the Project to
months or years of
work, and before any such large burden is undertaken, it should be well
Then the board should step back and think about what it wants us to vote
on. It's clearly not renaming the project!
If all of this is because of the foundation, and if you want to make
sure that putting in work is justified, I would suggest something like:
In the ideal world our project would not be dependent on SUSE and run
it's own legal entity to represent ourselves and what we do. A legal
entity is mostly required for handling (receiving/giving) money, goods
and services. For instance: $LIST_OF_EXAMPLES_WHAT_THE_LEGAL_ENTITY_DOES
In reality we don't have a legal entity and depend on SUSE to handle
anything that requires one.
The consequences of *not* forming a foundation are:
Forming the foundation will require: $COMPREHENSIVE_LIST_OF_THINGS_TO_DO
(including decision if/else branches like the naming one, different
foundation setups etc.)
Do you want the openSUSE Project to attempt to create a foundation:
- [ ] Yes
- [ ] No
- [ ] Abstain
Because this is the real question before us and it's your job¹ to hash
this out and to make this clear if you want your members to vote on this.
From the consoltation the board did around osc19 and on the mailing
list after we found that the general idea of creating a foundation is
almost universally supported both within openSUSE's membership and
SUSE's leadership. As such the board decided that a vote as you propose
is unneccesary at this stage and that instead the board would proceed to
create a detailed proposal of what the foundation would look like and
how it will function and when everything is sorted out we will put a
vote to the membership along the lines of would you like to replace the
current openSUSE Board with an openSUSE Foundation as outlined in the
- [ ] Yes
- [ ] No
- [ ] Abstain
The push for changing the name is not directly tied to the creation of a
foundation. The group of members who feel that the project should
rebrand to a different name would still feel that way even if we weren't
looking at a foundation. It is obvious from the mailing list thread that
was started that unlike creating a foundation there is no consensus
around changing the name and that the percentage of membership asking
for a change is not insignficant and therefore it would be unfair to
those members if we didn't have a vote. The board after all is elected
to represent the members.
It would also be foolish of the board to go ahead and create an
"openSUSE Foundation" now if a majority of members believe the project
should be called something else because if that is the case dropping the
openSUSE name will just come up again in a few years and at that point
changing the foundation name will be near impossible. This is just
another reason why the board feels its wisest to deal with this issue
now before we get into the details of creating a foundation rather then
sweeping it back under the rug for another few years because its hard
controversial and incovinent.
Simon Lees (Simotek)
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