There is another (albeit minor) point to take away: neither speaker seemed to be aware of the main value-proposition of Tumbleweed (one speaker suggested it was Yast), even though they clearly had prepared notes and done some research ahead of the podcast. This means we should be absolutely crystal clear on what that value-proposition is, which in some people's book, including mine, is the combo snapper + btrfs + tumbleweed-cli + openQA, which means a cheap ticket for superb stability in a bleeding edge environment, which both Linux pros and freshmen should adore. If *that* is the value-proposition of TW on the desktop, then podcasters and other influencers should not even have to *search* for the info -- it should be impossible to miss. So that even this honourable gentleman (https://youtu.be/TgpBcwpj5b8?t=1011) couldn't miss it anymore.