On 06/02/2015 01:30 PM, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
On Monday 01 June 2015 15:06:54 Robert Schweikert wrote:
"Thank you for your contributions so far to the openSUSE Project. All contributions are important and valued. After review of your application for membership, we were unable to verify a contribution level that would warrant us to accept your application at this time. However, this does not preclude you from applying again in the future after you have had a chance to be more involved with the openSUSE projec t."
Where is it defined what a "contribution level to warrant us to accept your application" is? It would be much better, if people would have a concrete idea of what they would have to actually do to become members.
That said, the whole idea of judging people's contributions feels unwelcoming to me. I think it is a structural flaw of the openSUSE membership that you can't join by doing things, but you have to pass a committee. This is not how you encourage people to become part of a community. I would be very much in favor of just eliminating the need for discussing wording of rejection letters by not rejecting people who want to be part of the community.
thanks Cornelius, this idea is welcomed to study for an "open community" (meaning study => not throwing immediately to trash just because it's a "different way to imagine community in the future" ... it cannot be changed in 5 minutes, but it's great to notice that "judging" & "open" do not match very well together. It would need a bit more exchange (according to me) and exploration on concrete situations (and testing). (then ... about 500 members, as Robert said : only around 120 voting or going to OSC ... meaning around 100 members being concerned or active ?) I would just ask a concrete question to jdd : 1. could you (as part of the "jury") give us the number of ppl asking to become members ? (for ex last year, or last month) 2. how much were accepted and refused => these answers would give an idea if the "problem to solve would be to motivate new contributors ?" - or "to not demotivate the .. ppl who asked to become members ?" for the last ... months) 3. I have no concrete informations, but we (for sure nearly all) know that in 2011, a lot of ppl did booths all around the planet (smile), with plushes, CD, fun etc... And we all know that it's no more that in 2015 ... that could be a question too ... resume : it's great to review the letter content, of course if it can be more open for the person who asked to become member - it's great if it means a first step on "re-youth openSUSE community" ... so to come back to Cornelius suggestion, it's exactly the question of opened or closed system (basic systemic principles) : if the community do not wish new members/contributors (ok you can be one without the other) then ... the community has to make it hard to be recognised as a member, if the community wish to include more members/contributors, then the community makes it more easy to join ... quality/quantity questions ... open/close ... it's a choice (that can change) ... ok ... if openSUSE community wish to have more "quality" contributors/members, than ok for an "hard way to get there" ... but then, the question would be : how big would be the plush I win ? (even if contributors are not paid, you cannot avoid the question like : do we say thank you ? do we recognise the work done ? do we give fun to members, why a contributor would join openSUSE rather than any other community ... as they all wish it too etc ...) enought ... thank you Cornelius - I appreciate ++ your way of suggesting new ideas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org