why on earth was http://forums.novell.com/ not chosen as the common platform? Everything is already implemented, almost nothing left to do. But no - presumably the "admins" didn't know that, and decided they needed to reinvent the wheel.
You know, that is actually a very good question and a very bad presumption. :-) The reason it isn't being implemented on forums.novell.com is quite simple. First because these aren't Novell forums, they are openSUSE forums and for some people that is a very important distinction. If we can accomodate those people by separating them, I say why not. Second, the staff for the Novell forums and the staff for the openSUSE forums are completely separate and honestly it would have been kind of a security nightmare I really glad I didn't have to deal with (we have private forums and non disclosure agreements and stuff like that). Lastly, it's really a benefit to users who want questions answered on openSUSE to go to forums where all there is is talk about openSUSE. Same with Novell branded products. As for your presumption, all the admins did know that but in discussion we chose this other path.
| having openSUSE run a proprietary software is a bad advertisement | for open source (even, may be mostly, if justifiyed), so IMHO we | sould make some sort of effort to try solving this for the future.
I guess this is kind of a "religious" thing that I really do understand, but I don't share the point of view. My personal opinion is that I'm going to choose the best tool to do the task I need done. If the opensource community makes a better wrench, I'll gladly switch to using that wrench. I know...kind of pointless to even start discussing this as it's a discussion that's been happening for years now and hardly anyone is convincing anyone else to their point of view, so that's all I'll say on the matter. :-)
Because I'm part of the people who are discussing and organizing the forum merge
And I, for one, am very grateful people like you, Pascal, are involved and giving input. As with almost every project I've been involved with, people start out with different opinions and by constructive discussion, including disagreements, we eventually come up with the "best of show" or a good compromise and in the end it's usually a better result than if one person made all the decisions.
openSUSE could have said "We want official forums and we want them our way" but they didn't. Everyone reached out to each other for a better solution and you have to realize to bring a company like Novell and openSUSE to the table with two fiercely independant board admins and come up with a win-win workable solution is nothing short of a miracle. Will the final result be perfect? Of course not. Will it be better than what is available now? I'm certain of it. Will it help the openSUSE user community? Absolutely. If we allowed the project to get bogged down in disagreements about detail, it would never happen and everyone, including openSUSE itself, loses.
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