On 12/14/20 6:05 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
Wrt offtopic, I am a strong believer in lists self-policing and also believe it has worked perfectly fine for the last twenty years.
The evidence from the last few years seems to show that this is something that is simply not working for the factory list.
Simon, do you have any actual evidence to present? I mean, over "the last few years", how many threads have gone off-topic, seen relatively to the number of threads that have not. I really think we have to keep things in perspective. Factual rather than anecdotal.
I wonder if the issue we (as a community) have with factory.lists, is about support for Tumbleweed. People/users look to us for help with Tumbleweed, which is most easily available on factory, but as user questions are most often not development related, they are essentially considered off-topic.
I suggest _that_ problem would be best solved by us proving better support for a main openSUSE distro. Setting up an offtopic police is just knee-jerk non-sense.
This is a Volunteer project, support is provided on a best effort basis by volunteers. We have asked everyone interested in providing support to join the dedicated support list. It is not someones right to post a question to a developer list and expect an answer because they don't believe they will get it elsewhere. We have had many complaints from developers about the "Noise" on that list which has lead to some people unsubscribing and or missing important discussions. The other frequent cause of "Noise" is bug reports about something in a new snapshot by posting to the list these waste a small amount of all developers time where as when posted to the bugtracker only the relevant devs need be reported. If a maintainer decided that something is a significant issue likely to affect a large number of people then they may choose to post a warning to the list but that is not its main purpose. As a broader question to the community do we need such a list for tumbleweed announcements and reports of major breakages? The answer we got last time was no. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B