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Re: [opensuse-project] If you are interested in attending the openSUSE Virtual Summit
by Knurpht-openSUSE 30 Apr '20

30 Apr '20

Op donderdag 30 april 2020 19:31:08 CEST schreef medwinz: > On Fri, May 1, 2020, 12:04 AM Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > > Op donderdag 30 april 2020 18:08:09 CEST schreef ddemaio: > > > Hi all, > > > If case any of you are interested in attending the openSUSE Virtual > > > Summit tomorrow, just sign up at https://opensuse.reqmagic.com > > > > So far I have not been able to find a registration link of button, not in > > any > > browser. > > > > -- > > Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht > > openSUSE Forums Team > > Hi Gertjan, > > Try https://opensuse.reqmagic.com/accounts/signup/ > > Check the link in your email and login using your email address and > password you register. > > -- > Edwin Thanks, Edwin. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] If you are interested in attending the openSUSE Virtual Summit
by ddemaio 30 Apr '20

30 Apr '20

Hi all, If case any of you are interested in attending the openSUSE Virtual Summit tomorrow, just sign up at https://opensuse.reqmagic.com You will need to create an account. Here is some additional information for you in case you want to attend. There is a Telegram public group for the Virtual Summit; the link to it is t.me/oSVS2020 We want to thank our sponsors datto, I-Layer, SaltStack, SUSE and the Free Software Foundation Europe (fsfe). As fsfe gets most of its donations through events, we have listed their website here where they accept donations to the project – https://my.fsfe.org/donate. We recommend you use the Chrome or Chromium browser for the best experience on https://opensuse.reqmagic.com. We recommend you use headphones while watching the summit. You will be able to register for an account to attend the openSUSE Virtual Summit today on https://opensuse.reqmagic.com. Fill in your profile and join us for the Virtual Summit tomorrow. You can view and customize a schedule and view your talks from tab in the upper left corner under “All Sessions”. All times are in UTC and you will notice the UTC clock in the upper right corner. A schedule can be viewed at https://events.opensuse.org/conferences/oSvirtsmt/schedule. Click on “more info” and “Join”. You might need to scroll up to join. If you are unable to view the slides, please refresh your browser. The platform is in the early development stages and features are still being developed. By default, your microphones will be muted and your video sharing is not activated. During a talk, please keep your microphones muted and video sharing turned off. After each session, or to ask a question, you can active your microphone. Should you choose to do so, you can share video of yourself, but please note that we would like to limit any bandwidth technicalities during the presentations, so please do not share video of yourself during a presentation. By joining a room, you acknowledge to having your voice and any video you share recorded. Audio and video recordings for each talk during this event are recorded and will be published on https://www.youtube.com/user/opensusetv. The talks are licensed under the CC-By-SA-4.0 or CC-By-4.0 license. The recording license agreement can be found at https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/. We have openSUSE Virtual Summit T-shirts in the Shop, which is embedded in https://opensuse.reqmagic.com. After a brief introduction at 10:00 UTC and getting people familiar with https://opensuse.reqmagic.com, we will start out the summit from Asia. At 10:30 UTC, Arya Wiradarma will give an overview about a case study focusing on Open Web Application Security Project Frameworks, Open Source Intelligence and risk assessment and analysis with sensitive data. Estu will give a beginner’s talk at 11:15 UTC about the Pod Manager tool Podman. After Estu’s 15-minute talk, Kukuh will highlight translations focusing in on l10n vs i18n, plus online vs offline translations and look at problems with translations. From Asia, we will have a short coffee break and move to Europe for two talks at 12:00 UTC. Denis will talk about installing and configuring Sway on openSUSE and John will provide a talk about CSS containers. There will be another break from 12:30 UTC to 13:00 UTC. We will jump into Adrian’s talk after the break and talk about the current state and upcoming changes for the Jump prototype build. Adrian’s talk will touch on the challenges and advantages of the new idea for development openSUSE. At 13:30 UTC, Leap release manager Lubos will provide a 45-minute talk about the future strategy for openSUSE Leap. After a short coffee break, Marina will talk at 14:30 UTC about the shared efforts between the openSUSE community and SUSE’s Maintenance, Security and QA. Patrick will have back to back talks. At the same time as Marina’s talk, Patrick will talk about Linux in the time of COVID-19. His follow on talk at 15:00 UTC will discuss how to integrate Kiwi into your application stack. Pau will talk at 15:00 UTC about the configuration management project Uyuni and how it can deploy and update packages and track what runs on your Kubernetes cluster. Richard will give a 45-minute talk after Pau at 15:30 UTC about MicroOS and provide the benefits for a single-purpose OS. There will be another short coffee break for people to chat and during that time we will move the summit to talks from the Americas. Neal will give a talk at 16:30 UTC and explain how datto modernized its build infrastructure and enabled continuous integration and delivery. After another short break, Thomas will talk about why he created POP and how he’s applied it to several new projects to make a positive impact on the sustainability of Salt. We will have a social session after the talks, so feel free to hang out for a beer, coffee or tea. We would also like to hear your feedback. You can leave comments on the telegram page or at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/openSUSEVirtualSummitfeedback. v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Discuss, Define and be Transparent with the openSUSE Community
by Vincent Moutoussamy 30 Apr '20

30 Apr '20

Hi, The SUSE Linux Enterprise Team is acknowledging the openSUSE community needs for a better and transparent collaboration with SUSE. We have now a momentum to think and be different. The symbiosis between SUSE Linux Enterprise and openSUSE is real, we share so much more than just code, we use the same tools like Open Build Service, openQA, similar maintenance processes, people (Release Managers, contributors, etc) and more. We might have been a bit quiet in the past but that doesn't mean we didn't evolve; over the years, we have created more bonds like Package Hub[1], foster our contribution with SLE Factory First Policy for SUSE employees and our Technology Partners, be more accessible during our development phase with the SLE Public Beta Program[2], just to name a few examples. But now we have a momentum to accelerate, especially with regard to being more transparent with our defects and feature requests for the benefit of the openSUSE distribution and community. So we heard you, and today we want to clarify and improve processes, for all of us, and give some inputs on SUSE internal discussions about kicking out the so called "closed doors". So without further ado, here is our action items: * Refresh and create openSUSE wiki pages for processes clarification - Luboš Kocman has already started with documenting the process in place for retrieving SLE Feature Requests[3] and his plan is to present a real and better feature process for external contributors by October or sooner. - We will also review and improve "how to contribute[4], openSUSE Leap development phase[5]" to clarify and formalize information that existed for years, but was not documented. - Create new page about our "SLE Factory First Policy", and potential maintenance and quality assurance topics. * Talk more openly about openSUSE and SLE relationship, - "Current and Future strategy for openSUSE Leap"[6] and "Jump! Current state and upcoming changes"[7] during openSUSE virtual summit[8]. - Upcoming topic in the "How SUSE Builds its Enterprise Linux Distribution"[9] blog post. - A talk about "relationship in between SLE and openSUSE" at the Virtual SUSECon[10]. * Find the proper way to open our bugzilla.suse.com - SUSE is fully committed to protect our customers and partners private data hosted in our tool like Bugzilla. They trust us with their highly sensitive data, so we approach this topic very seriously. However thanks to the full handover of the Bugzilla instances from MicroFocus to SUSE, we now have full control over Bugzilla thus we can now discuss how to change our processes internally to combine data privacy and openness. - A group has been formed (Vincent Untz, Anna Maresova and Vincent Moutoussamy) to drive this project internally and will be in charge of discussing the proposal with all stakeholders including the openSUSE community of course. * Special attention to openSUSE 15.2 (and future) Leap bug reports - Last but not least, Luboš Kocman, openSUSE Leap Release Manager, is committed to review, triage openSUSE Leap 15.2 bugs and feature requests (create a bug for openSUSE Leap 15.2[11]), and escalate to SLE Product and Release Manager. We believe this is an exciting and ambitious plan, and we hope to share more concrete information as soon as possible. In the mean time, do not hesitate to engage with the presenters of "openSUSE and SLE" talks, Luboš obviously, and feel free to comment or send us your feedback here in this thread. Stay tuned, stay home, stay safe and stay green. The SUSE Linux Enterprise Team [1] https://packagehub.suse.com [2] https://www.suse.com/betaprogram/sle-beta/ [3] https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap/SLEFeatureRequests [4] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_for_Leap [5] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Leap_development_process [6] https://events.opensuse.org/conferences/oSvirtsmt/program/proposals/3071 [7] https://events.opensuse.org/conferences/oSLO/program/proposals/2960 [8] https://events.opensuse.org/conferences/oSvirtsmt [9] https://www.suse.com/c/how-suse-builds-its-enterprise-linux-distribution-pa… [10] https://www.susecon.com/ [11] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports -- Vincent Moutoussamy SUSE Beta Program, JeOS and SDK Project Manager Paris, France-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [heroes] Welcome home, www.opensuse.org
by Simon Lees 30 Apr '20

30 Apr '20

On 4/28/20 3:06 AM, Guo Yunhe wrote: > Does it mean we can make some new home page design :-) > I think before we do we need to sort out what our long term goals for branding including color palettes etc. The discussions going on around the logo will likely change that significantly which might lead to significant wasted effort if we start the homepage process now. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

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[opensuse-project] Welcome home, www.opensuse.org
by Christian Boltz 29 Apr '20

29 Apr '20

Hello, since some minutes, www.opensuse.org gets served from Nuremberg. This move is somewhat symbolic - www.opensuse.org is a static page, which made moving it quite easy. Well, mostly - the /openid/ part is still living in Provo, and the servers in Nuremberg proxy these requests to Provo. Configuring that was funny[tm] - thanks Darix and Stasiek for your help with the haproxy config and the testing! Now we "only" need to move the forums and bugzilla (and of course also openid), but that are different stories for the next weeks ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- And lets face it, a password protected screen saver is a de-facto control even for desktops in many settings. I may be the only person in the house, but what if the cat decides to sleep on the keyboard? [Anton Aylward in opensuse-factory] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: [FrOSCon Alumni] Call for Papers FrOSCon 2020 Cloud edition
by ddemaio 29 Apr '20

29 Apr '20

Hi all, FrOSCon is doing an online this year. Please consider filling out a talk at https://frab.froscon.de/en/froscon2020/cfp/ The CfP is open until May 23. More info is below. v/r Doug Hello, you are receiving this mail because you have previously been involved with making FrOSCon a successful Free and Open Source Software event. As you might have heard we decided to make FrOSCon 15 an online only event. If you would like to help us out again: We have started this year's Call for Papers. See our website for details: https://www.froscon.org/cfp/ or refer to the texts below. Please feel free to forward this to anybody who might be interested. For the FrOSCon Orga team, Andreas aka ScottyTM # Call for Papers FrOSCon 2020 Cloud edition # Let's talk about the elephant in the room: This CfP is different as it's all about a virus. Due to the current situation we decided to make this years' FrOSCon an online only event The Free and Open Source Software Conference (FrOSCon), an annual summer conference for users and developers of FOSS, will be held from August 22nd to August 23rd in the cloud. It is organized by the university's Department of Computer Science in collaboration with the student body and the FrOSCon e.V. As its key feature, volunteer speakers will deliver a comprehensive range of talks and workshops. Additionally we like to offer a platform to Free Software developers and projects to organize their own meetings or sub-conferences. There will be additional information on this. # Topics # We are looking for contributed papers on current trends and developments in all areas of Free and Open Source Software, e.g.: - Operating systems - Software development - Administration - IT security - Legal aspects - Desktop - Education - Geographic Information Systems (GISs) - Cloud Focus areas in 2020 are: - Antivirus software - How Open Source Software can help overcome the crisis - Balanced by the market - video conferencing: Zoom on the Big Blue Button in Teams - Working (together) in spite of Corona - Lessons learned on the journey to working from home - Privacy vs. pandemic response - Who's protecting our data from the virus - Clouds on the horizon - What happens when there's no space left in the cloud - Infrastruktur as a Scalability-Issue - Need more bandwidth, VPNs and everything # Submitting Contributions # To submit a paper, create an account and submit your contribution at https://cfp.froscon.org/. To participate in the Call for Papers, you will have to submit a short abstract as well as a detailed description of your proposed session. All accepted speakers must submit slides for their talk before the event. The call for papers is open through May 23rd, 2020. The program committee meets to review proposals in early June. We will do our best to notify submitters whether their proposals were accepted within a week or two. # Language # Talks can be held in German or in English. The choice of language should depend solely on which language is more suitable for presenting the chosen topic. Language of submitted texts and the resulting talk should be the same. # Length of the submissions # The abstract should summarize the planned content of the talk in a precise and succinct way. We do not place a limit on its length. Talks should take no more than 45 minutes, in order to allow some time for Q&A and speaker transition. We can accept longer contributions in special cases, we ask for a justification for the longer extent in this case. # Format # Abstract and description have to be submitted as plain text via the https://cfp.froscon.de/. We ask for submission of the slides in PDF format; other open document formats such as LibreOffice should only be submitted after prior consultation. # Licenses # We will publish abstract, description, slides and a video of your presentation online and include the abstract in the conference program. We require that you place your contributions under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International ( https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ ) license (or a more lenient license). Unless another license is noted, we will assume that your contribution is under this license. If you want to place your works under a less restrictive license, please note so with your submission. # Selection of contributions # Contributions are selected based on their content by a program committee. Please understand that we cannot accept all contributions and are limited by the number and quality of the submissions. We will favor submissions which fall under one of the aforementioned topics. # Other remuneration # FrOSCon is organized by volunteers and is mostly funded by partners. We ask you to understand that we will not be able to reimburse you for your expenses. # Technical support # Please contact us if you won't be able to stream or at least record your talk adequately. We'll see how we can support you. # Social Event # We are planning to hold a social event online on the evening of the 22nd and kindly invite all speakers to attend. # Important Dates and Contact Information # May 23rd, 2020 End of the Call for Papers. All contributions need to be submitted by this date in order to qualify. Mid June 2020 Notification of acceptance of all contributions . June 30th, 2020 Final acceptance. We ask all invited speakers to give their final confirmation by this date. July 18th, 2020 Last date for submitting slides. August 22nd, 2020 First day of FrOSCon. Further information can be found on the website under https://www.froscon.org/. Please send questions about the Call for Papers via email to: program(a)froscon.org Contact the organizers via email: contact(a)froscon.org Postal address: FrOSCon e.V. c/o Fachhochschule Bonn-Rhein-Sieg 53757 Sankt Augustin Germany -- FrOSCon 2020 August 22nd - August 23rd 2020, The Internet http://www.froscon.org --- http://www.froscon.de _______________________________________________ Alumni mailing list Alumni(a)lists.froscon.de https://management.froscon.de/mailman/listinfo/alumni -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [heroes] Welcome home, www.opensuse.org
by Stasiek Michalski 27 Apr '20

27 Apr '20

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 19:36, Guo Yunhe <i(a)guoyunhe.me> wrote: > Does it mean we can make some new home page design :-) Always could have, we just need something that can make project justice as opposed to the current website, you know, more content, saner layout and links to the relevant stuff. Frankly it would probably be better to focus on some other website that introduces people to how to contribute to the project, since that's a little bit too big of a task for www.o.o (although the attempt sure was made there), so we can link to it from www-o-o. We need links to all of the subprojects of openSUSE, like YaST, Uyuni, OBS, openQA, Jangouts, Kubic, etc. categorized in some way that makes it easy to understand how that related to our mission, with nice descriptions of the process behind various things we do. Maybe some nice explanation of the factory process, I was noodling a little with zdog to have a nice animation (since that's a good use of JS on websites ;) showing how contributions help with Factory, Tumbleweed and Leap, and how that integrates with openQA and OBS. Obviously the recent work on software-o-o, that I have to finish at some point makes it easier to link people to the pages relevant to them, so that will mean we will not link to "Tumbleweed" and "Leap" (plus two new distros, Kubic and MicroOS) before people understand what they are getting themselves into. This part might be split into get.opensuse.org, since software-o-o could be a piece of software that can be used alongside OBS deployments. We need to put a lot more pressure on the community aspect, and the approachability of our communication channels. You know, just making every aspect better, except there is way too many aspects that are required for www.o.o remake to make sense, that we should probably start everywhere else first. Jeez, if only we had some team structure, so we could task those things properly instead of jumping around the project screaming something has to be done. Where doocracy fails is where there is more than one person required for a task :D LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Bringing Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise closer together - a proposal
by Gerald Pfeifer 25 Apr '20

25 Apr '20

Hi everyone, today I have some exciting news and a proposal to relay: SUSE wants to go another step in openness towards the openSUSE community and suggests to bring the relationship of openSUSE Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise to a new level. Internally this idea is called "Closing the Leap Gap" and proposes to strengthen and bring more closely together: * developer communities, by focusing on openSUSE Leap as a development platform for communities and industry partners; * user communities, by leveraging the benefits of both a stable Enterprise code base and the speed of community contributions; * the code bases of openSUSE Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE), by not only sharing sources, but also offering the SUSE Linux Enterprise binaries for inclusion in openSUSE Leap. The proposal includes a three step approach: 1. Merge the code bases for the intersection of openSUSE Leap 15.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP2 as much as possible without loss of functionality or stability. (SUSE has started a cleanup process on the SUSE Linux Enterprise side already.) 2. In parallel to classic openSUSE Leap 15.2 create a flavor leveraging SLE binaries, leading to an intermediate release in the October 2020 time frame. 3. Build openSUSE Leap 15.3 with SLE binaries included by default (assuming community agreement). As you can imagine, a number of people have been involved with this so far, and I'd like to pull some of them in front of the curtain in a little interview. Q: Thomas, all of engineering at SUSE reports to you, and I know openSUSE is something you care about quite a bit. What is SUSE putting on the table here? Thomas Di Giacomo: Let me step back, and give you a perspective as I see it. SUSE for 27+ years has been a part of global open source ecosystem that includes a vast number of developers, end users, communities, and organizations of all sizes working together and benefiting from the collective work. Most of our engineers are involved as well with some open source communities that they feel passionate about. Open source communities are an integral part of who we are and the ecosystem we serve. Naturally, we feel responsible to support the communities and the work done by them. openSUSE is no different and is actually even more special and very dear to SUSE. So, it should come as no surprise that we are fully committed towards the openSUSE project(s) and its community. It makes us all feel proud to see Leap and Tumbleweed grow and evolve, together with SUSE Linux Enterprise. This effort of our engineers working together with others in the openSUSE community will benefit everyone involved for many years to come. Q: And why are you doing this? Thomas: We want open source to succeed for everyone – developers, contributors to end users and everyone in between. The benefits of open source are tremendous when the ecosystem grows as a result of the positive virtuous cycle of – contributing more, supporting the contributions, benefiting from contributions, which inspires more people contributing, and it goes on to grow as an upward virtuous spiral. We feel fortunate to be in the position of seeing the openSUSE community grow in tandem with the success of SUSE Linux Enterprise, and both feeding off each other to grow even more. This idea definitely goes in that direction. Now, let me defer to Matthias who came up with this idea. Q: Okay, so, Matthias, first of all: what is your role at SUSE? Matthias Eckermann: I am leading the Product Management team for Linux platforms, covering SUSE Linux Enterprise, Edge, and Security. Q: And what made you propose this? Matthias: My team and I realized that the engagement of our SLE business with the openSUSE community does not fully fit our view on openness, and that mutual benefits are not leveraged sufficiently. We discussed what it would take to bridge the gap and bring the relationship to the next level. Beyond a common ground on the technical side, the code streams, this requires learning from each other; for example, we need to re-establish an open feature process between community, SUSE, and our industry partners. Thus we developed "Closing the Leap Gap", and - to test whether it might have a chance to fly - we outlined the initial idea with the openSUSE Board before going for approvals by SUSE management. Q: You mention the board, so let me ask. What is your take? What opportunities, benefits do you see? What risks? Dr. Axel Braun: With this change, we can make better use of our resources, as two code bases converge - so one build target less to consider. Everyone who packages for Leap and for Package Hub will immediately benefit from this. Marina Latini: It's really exciting to see how SUSE is trying to increase its support for Leap, reducing the existing differences between our openSUSE Leap and SLE. I can see this proposal as a way to be more inclusive, giving to the community the opportunity to contribute in an easier way to Leap and giving the chance to bring the openSUSE spirit also in an Enterprise product like SLE. On the other hand, every new move is a change and we need to be sure that the changes won't limit our community freedom to submit packages to Leap or won't slow down Leap for following the internal SUSE development model. Q: Matthias, that sounds like some extra effort required. How is SUSE contributing, what is SUSE committing to? Matthias: Indeed, there is quite some one-time effort needed to get (back) to the common ground; this is covered by SUSE engineering teams; two groups are heavily involved: The Open Build Service experts are designing a workflow for a smooth integration of the binaries, and for reducing the long term maintenance efforts for our community contributors. SUSE release managers and packagers are working hard to synchronize the code bases without losing functionality or quality. Hundreds of change requests have been filed already, and to get this done properly, we are delaying the release of SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP2 to July. And we are willing to invest more, to drive the idea to success quickly: we would take the burden, to create an intermediate openSUSE Leap release in October 2020 which then would incorporate SUSE Linux Enterprise binaries into Leap the first time. Probably, Adrian can comment on the Build Service aspects, and Lubos what it means to developers within SUSE and to the community release process? Q: So, Lubos, as release manager for Leap, what have you been doing so far, and what is the impact you see? Lubos Kocman: I spent most of the time on collecting data regarding SLE and Leap differences and having follow-up discussions and transforming feedback into action items. Max and the rest of the openSUSE release engineering team meanwhile did an excellent job of keeping Leap release activities going forward. The idea of re-using should generally lower the effort on the Leap side. However, it comes with the price of increased complexity to bring all pieces together. A new process will allow external contributors to file feature or update requests directly to SLE. This will already help a lot. Q: Is this an outcome bound effort, or time bound? I know the SLE release schedule is a bit like a 300m tanker. Lubos: It's both. I see this as a balance between what can we deliver, how, and to what date. It took quite some effort to create a plan acceptable by all involved teams. Splitting the work across the upcoming two releases seemed to be accepted well at least by involved parties so far. Q: So, that is SLE 15 SP2. How about Leap 15.2? Lubos: openSUSE Leap 15.2 will have to slip by about 8 weeks to incorporate all changes from the SLE and align with its new schedule. I believe that the release will find a great use for extra time since we're still finishing the refresh of packages from Factory. The prototype will be meanwhile available in parallel to the openSUSE Leap 15.2. Q: How is that research proceeding, Adrian? Adrian Schröter: We have an idea about the setup in build.opensuse.org. I anticipate to have a first prototype of the build setup in next three weeks. And more important is how to develop the workflows to allow a more collaborative joint effort between SLE and openSUSE development. However, we must keep in mind that this is really an entire new way to develop a distribution. On one hand it makes a lot of sense to integrate for example the SUSE Backports (aka Package Hub) people directly in our development process. This will make our distribution development stronger. On the other hand, we also must find ways how to solve new problems. For example how to keep our builds for architectures not covered by SLES like Arm 32bit and RISC-V. Also the turn around times of submissions and build results will be a challenge in the initial setup. And last but not least, the installed systems and users may need to deal with more repositories. But we have one year to work on these problems in parallel to our stable distribution. And we are indeed looking forward to make openSUSE and SLE development more beneficial than ever. Gerald: Thanks everyone for your input. I'll be sharing all this with openSUSE mailing lists, and am sure there will be further questions, offers to help, and other input, so please chime in there. https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap/FAQ/ClosingTheLeapGap has an FAQ with more details. Lubos is going to send a proposal with more details on the implementation side to opensuse-factory@. I suggest we focus technical discussions of this offer and proposals there (opensuse-factory@) and general discussions on opensuse-project@. So, what do you think? Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer <gp(a)suse.com>, CTO @SUSE + chair @openSUSE

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[opensuse-project] "Abstain" an option for future votes
by Gerald Pfeifer 22 Apr '20

22 Apr '20

On the board meeting two hours ago we discussed adding an "abstain" option to future votes. We unanimously agreed. That is, future votings shall include "abstain" as a choice. Thank you to all who provided feedback! Gerald PS: We understand board elections allow a flexible number of choices, including choosing no candidate, so we do not see this as applicable there. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Once upon a time OR It's time to say Good-Bye: An user reply to the LEAP/SLE closing announcement
by Michael Weyand 21 Apr '20

21 Apr '20

Dear SUSEianer, First, I only subscribed to opensuse-project and write this disappointed mail, because I want to reach all the experts, both company and community. I'm pretty sure that this mail will not change anything, but for me it was to a certain way, a must. But this sad story will be a new thread, since I'm no able to respond to an archived mail. Sorry for that. Honestly, it is a reply to GPs initial announcement. But, according to the openSuSE webpage, this mailing list is for "Project and Community related discussions". And GP ended with an open question, isn't it? So, may be no discussion, but a (hidden ?) view on LEAP/SLE closing. At least, from an unknown user perspective: There was a young growing scientist, a structural biologist, working on protein structure determinations with computers & servers like HP, SGI, DELL, SUN or even VAX. All of them with a nice UNIX operating system, doing all these good things with open source software from all over the world. At a certain time, when the first money came in, by doing this nice scientific research, he was thinking to learn to setup all this IT stuff by himself, and after finalizing the PhD by using a computer with one of these Redmond poison OS/software systems, he was thinking of a self owned PC with one of these UNIX operating systems AND an easy desktop/windows interface. Best with some German HowTo's/documentation since he is still a beginner. And based on open source for free science. In the 1990's there was an Bavarian based small software company combing all these requirements in a LINUX distribution called SuSE ... And a colleague of mine had S.u.S.E Linux experiences since S.u.S.E 4.2 ... This was the start. Yes, I'm a pure Linux'ianer, as an user, and started 20 years ago with SuSE 6.2. First as a novice using accidentally 'rm -f' in the top folder, but now doing the IT as a single fighter for a small 25-user University structural biology department with NVida accelerated 3D workstations, CUPS, NIS, SAMBA servers (still for the Redmond devils within the group), several number cruncher, backup server, NAS archiving, and Linux desktops with Windows 10, but within VirtualBoxes. In total 25-35 computers. All with openSUSE, most with LEAP 15.1 at present. Compiling and maintaining dozen of scientific open source programs. Teaching Linux as a side work project, Office work in German and English, plus some Spanish, Italian at colleague PCs. Using a multilingual Linux distribution. On private level desktops and laptops with Bumblebee, and self compiled AMD raid disk driver etc. pp. All the time with SuSE/openSUSE. And some years ago, also one SLE 10.0. I defend this GEEKO environment against all Scientific Linux, Redhat, Ubuntu and Microsoft attacks. Also survived the Novell shock, went through the Attachmate hell and hoped for MicroFocus. But always believing on the openSUSE announcement in 2005 !! I thought a basic LEAP/Tumbleweed OS development and a sophisticated SLE on top (in this direction) would be the Linux paradise on earth. Also for the company managers to earn the money. But the Empire, the money strikes back: I read on Heise Online and also the announcement on the opensuse mailing list in 2018 about the 2.5-billion$ EQT deal. EQT ?? This stands for equity = shareholder = even more money makers !! Money on/with open source ?? 2.5-billion Dollar ?? Can this work with my Linux paradise ?!?!?! And yes, only 1,5 years later golem.de reported a further openSUSE/SLE "rearrangement". Of course with benefits/synergism for all, both sides. I read everything about SuSE distribution policies on these official mailing lists and on Google since 2015. Hey Guys, who can still believe on these 2-way "benefits" based on this company/distribution history ?? I never thought that I would say, but openSUSE Leap 15.2 will be my last "suse". And funnily these clever money makers gave the best advise at the final end: "Jump" !!! Oh, I will. At least I can escape the name fight like 42 ... I will JUMP to https://distrowatch.com to look for a modern distribution with several languages, based on KDE, able to use NVida acceleration, with VBs to satisfy the group Microsoft need. I will have time to learn and to switch my systems until 15.2 will run out of maintenance. I'm very happy for and about this "grace time". But Distrowatch also showed the decreasing SUSE (desktop ?) importance. In the high time openSUSE reached more than 50% HPD of the top distro. But permanently decreasing since the MicroFocus deal. See here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ntnolo8zcjbbqld/The%20SUSE%20story.pdf?dl=0 Why? May be outdated standard Kernel, QT, KDE etc. versions within the stable openSUSE Leaps? Too much strategic company / community = developer discussions / fights? May be too much business? In the past 1-2 year I had more and more problems / higher effort to install and use 3rd-party open source software because of missing / outdated software versions, e.g. QT/KDE. Tumbleweed was used and tested, but was not really stable / productive after 2-3 years. At least not in my hands. And the latest announcement will not lead to improvements, I'm afraid. I do not want to repeat the 13.2 - 42.1 transition experiences !! Not at home, not at the University. I'm sad, so sad to say, it's time to leave. But what I read (Microsoft agreement in 2006, renewed 2011, Azure topic, etc.) and understood for the future plans (Leap 15.2 is postponed by 8 weeks already), I do not want to stay with a Linux distribution which is changing the product / policy / mind every 3-5 years. May be, every new broom HAS TO sweep clean?? At SUSE they do: SLE now "dictates" the Leap. An user view. Yes, I'm still an user only, may be a power user, but no IT'ler, no SUSEianer, so absolute no IT / distro making / company experience / knowledge. But I was a customer, an openSUSE "customer". And I do not want to become a SUSE customer. Too much business, too less freedom for free academic research. Yes, you can and should earn money. But then split like RedHat did. Use open source and make products, but don't use open source community for your products. I really like, no I loved a lot of clever (open)SuSE tools, aka YaST. But ... I really appreciated the community AND company work on most of the distributions. Not all, including the rolling Tumbleweed, but most. I'm missing the Evergreens. Therefore, thank you for more than 20 SuSE years. In 21 (Funny, half of the magic 42. This must be sign ?? :-( ) it is time for - may be - Manjaro? At least the color will stay. So, now it is written. As I said, this mail will neither change something, nor it is helpful for the best LEAP/SLE closing strategy. Sorry again, for bothering you, but now I feel - partly - better. Sad, disappointed but kind regards and all the best for the GEEKO, Michael - still - an openSUSE user -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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