June 2019 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
by christian.imhorst＠posteo.de 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Hi, Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt(a)suse.com>: As such, maintaining 447 [1] openSUSE members should not depend on a single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known security issues since years[2]. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote: > This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage, > but in the hope that this time I get an answer; > Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive > forward a solution? I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure system! what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support for example? An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but probably there are better tools. What did I miss? I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon as possible. Regards Christian Imhorst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] NNTP gateway to forums.o@o.o
by Knurpht-openSUSE 26 Feb '20

26 Feb '20

Hi all, Since the current NNTP gateway by MicoFocus is being shutdown from Wed 19th of June, there will temporarily be none. Meanwhile some of our community members are working on replacing it, announcements about this will follow a.s.a.p. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project name and logo discussion
by Stasiek Michalski 26 Oct '19

26 Oct '19

Hi, I am myself afraid of this email, because this is about the basis of the community, distributions, plans for foundation etc... Any change in regards to all things outlined here will be controversial and will have huge influence on the future of openSUSE as a whole. Take this very seriously, but also don't take it too seriously because it doesn't change the way community operates, but instead how it ends up being represented. As mentioned in my talk week ago, I would like to change the openSUSE logo to break it off of SUSE branding, however as Richard rightfully pointed out, the suggestion should also mention changing the name of community and distributions, to remove the `SUSE` part of `openSUSE`, on top of a few other issues that are unrelated to foundation talks. [1,2] We do need to tackle this now, considering we are going through vital parts of the talks of the Foundation, and both trademarks are planned to be transferred at some point, but it might be best to start off the foundation with the name and logo that isn't necessarily tied to SUSE brand for easier legal proceedings between SUSE and the project, depending on the community outlook on the ideas. openSUSE logo issues: * older version of SUSE logo, which is similar enough to be confusing, also will require agreement between future openSUSE Foundation and SUSE to use the logo * colour is too bright and light to stand out well on light backgrounds [3] * button variant looks the same as SUSE logo buttons, with the only exception being colour (and SUSE tends to use similar green for buttons they haven't updated in a long time) For current proposals, and to propose more visit: https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/issues/93 openSUSE name issues: * contains `SUSE`, which will require agreement between future openSUSE Foundation and SUSE to use the name (we will need this anyway, because we will support older releases, but at least there would be some exit strategy when everything goes south built into the name of the foundation) * we are endlessly complaining about wrong capitalization (and will for the rest of time), even SUSE has it easier with "only" SuSE, SuSe and Suse [4] * FSF complains about `open`, although that works with openness of the collaboration, more than `free` or `libre` would (not to mention that we do have non-free repos) [5] There has obviously been a lot of suggestions here, from various contributors, stuff like `Viridian Foundation` works quite well for the purposes of the naming, because it references SUSE, while not being directly tied to SUSE name (although it might be too generic and hard to type). More important than the name itself however is to decide if we want to change the logo and/or the name at all, or we want to leave everything as is. If we do decide for a change there we will be able to choose the name and the logo through a vote, I or some other designer will just have to design and fix up logos proposed by the community for the vote (like it was previously done with the YaST mascot/logo, which looked crude before the redesign, but was a great community idea). [6] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgkMlCZiP4 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUZmc4CXzFQ [3] https://contrast-ratio.com/#%2373ba25-on-white [4] https://i.imgur.com/ySr4JAA.png [5] https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#openSUSE [6] https://github.com/yast/yast-theme/commit/1cdb9e9c2545ba1604f8bdf88864e9ae9… LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] RFC: How to improve openSUSE websites
by Vinzenz Vietzke 12 Sep '19

12 Sep '19

Hi there, being relatively new to the openSUSE community over the past few weeks I've been digging through websites and wiki. Quite often I stepped into traps of unclear, misleading or just plain old content. This lead me to the conclusion that there's urgent need of restructuring lots of things. The following is a rough braindump strongly intended as RFC. I try to visualize my thoughts as good as possible with screenshots. # First sight The website opensuse.org in overall is looking good and I really like the coloring. But looking closer there is a lot of clutter which needs to be restructured. Important stuff needs to be visible at first glimpse. See the screenshot taken on a regular FullHD monitor [1] and try to tell what's this all about - imagining you don't know what openSUSE is. Why not tell at first sight: - this is a Linux distribution - this is how it looks like - these three things make it outstanding Positive examples as comparison: Fedora [2], Solus [3] # Getting information To get more details I have to scroll quite a lot and/or click very often in comparison to the amount of information I get in the end. The waste of space is too high and it should be reduced. Also these animations are quite annoying. Especially the bouncing circle when clicking on "How to contribute" > "Code" just to show a few sentences afterwards. # Consolidate information ## News News about ongoing development and information about achievements is one the crucial thing to be spead out widely. The "News" section on opensuse.org is just way too small and is just drowned out by the "Tools" and "Contribute" sections. So we should either remove it there completely and give it a separate page (See Solus Blog [4]). Or move it upwards on opensuse.org and make it way more prominent. At least linking to news.opensuse.org is useless and should be stopped (even more from a design perspective). Currently there are way too many places just to get news. Let me summarize it and - please correct me if I got something wrong: 1. opensuse.org It grabs first 2-3 sentences of a post and links to it on news.o.o. 2. news.opensuse.org This filled by Doug and (just guessing) members of news mailing list. 3. lizards.opensuse.org Looks exactly the same as news.o.o but consists of blog posts by devs and dev teams. The difference to news.o.o is stated nowhere, the reasons for this separation not made clear either. 4. planet.opensuse.org This looks only slightly similar to news.o.o and lizards.o.o, even the content is different. But: why is dimstar's blog (the TW reviews) and the Open Build Service blog listed there? Following the logic above it should at least be in lizards.o.o if not even in news.o.o! ## Website vs. Wiki Looking at the content of opensuse.org and wiki.opensuse.org I think there's no clear plan what to put where. My understand of a wiki is a) collaboratively created content and b) content changing regularly. A source for documentation if you will. The "Contribute" section on opensuse.org gives you just a few sentences but links to a wiki page. This is unnecessary as the ways to contribute won't hardly change very often. I assume this is mostly done due to the fact that opensuse.org has hardly any space left for slightly more detailed information. But that's what a website is made for. Sending people from URL to URL without giving them a consistent layout is at best confusing if not frustrating. Partly positive example: Fedora [5] (sat in comparison to opensuse.org) That's all for now. I understand that many things have somehow grown over the years. But as I'm willing to tackle these I am looking forward to your comments/critics. Regards, vinz. [1] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/HzRmZnH7mwMgkEg [2] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/nPammszr3Z4me2B [3] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/G7xwekJPW6S5Dwi [4] https://getsol.us/blog/ [5] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/nXtaXHfqxwTyAbL -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] LIBOCON
by ddemaio 03 Sep '19

03 Sep '19

Hi all, We may sponsor LibOCon (https://libocon.org) in Almarie, Spain, this year. If anyone plans on going and would like to help out with a booth there, please email me. v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] dis-Connect
by Fraser_Bell 19 Jul '19

19 Jul '19

Hi, Christian: > <Fraser_Bell> Thanks. BTW: I would join Heroes and work on the Connect.o.o replacements, if I had any idea what I was doing. But, not till elections are over. > <cboltz> :-) > <cboltz> the important part of connect.o.o is handling the membership and maybe being a "phonebook" for openSUSE > <cboltz> the other parts (groups, polls etc.) are more or less useless and can easily be dropped <snip> > <cboltz> Fraser_Bell: I also like the https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/$USERNAME pages so if you work on a replacement and keep them, I'll be more than happy ;-) > <Fraser_Bell> Yes. <snip> > cboltz> oh, I'm quite sure someone will happily upgrade you if you promise to do the work ;-) > <Fraser_Bell> cboltz: Wait until after the Elections, please, I am now down to 20 pounds soaking wet and red, bleary eyes!!!! Elections are over. Let's get started. -- -Gerry Makaro openSUSE Member openSUSE Global Moderator openSUSE Contributor YaST Contributor aka Fraser_Bell on the Forums, OBS, IRC, and mail at openSUSE.org Fraser-Bell on Github -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] The openSUSE Foundation Proposal - First Discussion Draft
by Simon Lees 26 Jun '19

26 Jun '19

Hi All, During this years face to face board meeting, the board started more serious work / discussions in relation to an openSUSE Foundation, to most people reading this list including our meeting minutes or who were at the openSUSE conference this comes as little surprise. The during the meetings the board put together a "Discussion Document" that outlines a proposed framework of what the board considers would be the best way to form an openSUSE foundation, what would change, what would stay the same and what we would require from our biggest partner SUSE. While the board is yet to formally present and start discussing a version of this document with SUSE management (we will do so in the coming days), we have discussed the content face to face with high levels of SUSE's management and at this stage have general in principle support to move forward in this direction. So the board would be very surprised if we were told to go back to the drawing board and start again. Having said that much of the detail is still up for discussion and will be worked through over the coming months so the board welcomes any feedback from the community. **Foundation Proposal First Discussion Draft** *Introduction* The Board has spent most of it's annual F2F meeting with the continuation of the ongoing discussion about openSUSE's lack of having/being a legal entity ot it's own. This topic has been out there almost as long as openSUSE exists, but has returned on the board's table after the sale of SUSE, and some incidents where not having a legal entity appeared to be an issue. SUSE and openSUSE share common roots, history and values. Our current working relationship is a mutually beneficial "win-win" which we wish to preserve while simultaneously extending openSUSE's ability to take more actions on it's own. There is no desire for any increased distance between SUSE & openSUSE, but to add more capabilities to the openSUSE Project in addition to the status quo. Of particular interest is enabling openSUSE to be able to receive and provide sponsorships (in terms of money, hardware, or contracted services). Currently such agreements can only be handled by SUSE, which can discourage and complicate arranging such sponsorships with other organisations. The primary purpose of the Foundation is to enable and support the openSUSE membership and community efforts in all activities of the openSUSE Project *Motivations* - Partnering with organisations outside of SUSE -Receiving donations - Being able to spend money on behalf of openSUSE - Being able to sign contracts with venues, service providers, or other partners *Proposed Charter* - openSUSE Foundation is a legal entity having been founded on the date of xxxxxxx with the following identity: yyyyyyyyy. The Foundation, in terms of an entity, should be considered to be distinct from the software development projects and the promotional activities that it supports, steers and sustains. The openSUSE Foundation is a not for profit organisation that believes in empowering its Contributors so that the user community can benefit from the best, most-sustainable and most-innovative open source software. To achieve this, most of the daily work is performed by the Foundation's Contributors. Nonetheless, certain bodies or committees will be in charge of work when the decision-taking requires extraordinary decisions, litigation, conflict resolution, funding, treasury, strategic technical decisions, strategic technical guidance, and general guidance on orientations. In principle, the processes, discussions and decisions of openSUSE Foundation, of its Committees, of its Board and of its Officers are public, and decisions are taken in a rational and transparent manner. *Proposal Summary* - The Board request that SUSE provide capital stock and help to setup the foundation - The Board request that SUSE provide 1 or 2 FTE staffing to handle the admin work of the foundation alongside the existing work it does managing the TSP etc - The Board is open to any discussion regarding bylaws or statues to codify and guarantee the ongoing productive relationship between SUSE & openSUSE - The openSUSE Foundation board will take over the role of the current openSUSE Board - The makeup and election / removal of the openSUSE Foundation board will remain the same as the current openSUSE board as documented in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_rules - The rules for membership of the openSUSE Foundation will remain the same as the rules for existing openSUSE members with the exception that members are required to be over 16 as per legal requirements. Existing openSUSE Members will be invited to become members of the new openSUSE Foundation - trademark / intellectual property usage guarantee in case SUSE ever drops doing Linux distributions (like KDE / Qt) - Ideally/eventually transfer of openSUSE trademarks into Foundation *Details for Further Discussion* - Charter of Foundation needs to be detailed - learning from other free software foundations like TDF Lawyer advise needed - What IT infrastracture and data should remain under the ownership of SUSE and what should be transfered to the openSUSE Foundation? - Should the openSUSE foundation become the responsible body for openSUSE's data and therefore it's GDPR compliance? - should the openSUSE trademarks and interlectual property be transferred to Foundation? *Other Considered Options* - e. V. (association) - too easy to "take over" and change purpose - Structure too inflexible (the board would not be able to continue to function in its current makeup) - umbrella organization (like linux foundation) - Takes ~10% of income, i..e. donations,sponsormoney, own donated hardware - openSUSE is too large an organisation for most umbrella organisations to handle unless openSUSE is only using an umbrella for a very limited set of features. - Keeping things the way they currently are - sometimes causes problems, for example accepting docations is hard - often unable to partner with other companies as there is no openSUSE entity that can sign contracts etc. References: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Foundation https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto Sent on behalf of the openSUSE board. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Curious, what happened to openSUSE around 2012?
by Imad Aldoj 26 Jun '19

26 Jun '19

So based on information gathered mostly from the wiki and general knowledge, I noticed that openSUSE was quite popular between 2008-2012 [2008 I guess this has to do with the first elected board] Throughout these years it seems every team had a plan, everyone has a weekly meeting (not just the board) and most mailing lists were at their peak; but suddenly many wiki pages stop right after that, it's weird reading about what a team was planning for next week then... blank. Things that might be related: - 2 members stepped down from the 5th board [2012] - News team almost stops completely around 2011 [Saigkill seems to be the one who kept pages pretty active at the time] And I'm sure there're other events that I didn't keep track of but that doesn't affect the question really If nothing maybe happened at that exact time then what happened to all those people who created and used to make the mailing list alive? how things changed? it kinda bugs me, I'm just wondering because this part isn't documented and I can't think of anything based on what I've. Appreciate any input, Imad -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] A call to share your story on People of openSUSE
by Imad Aldoj 25 Jun '19

25 Jun '19

Hello ladies and gentlemen, Did you know that People of openSUSE is the second nicest place on the internet? You probably heard of it but the project was "almost" on hibernation since the 2012 era. Anyway, a week or so earlier I approached lcp and he shared his story (link below) and I'm here to encourage more people to share theirs as well. I believe it's really important for the healthiness of the community, getting to know each other more will results in more collaboration and at the same time help solving misunderstandings smoothly knowing where each side is coming from. Kinda similar to board candidates interviews but more friendly and for different cause. Still hesitated? here's what lcp has to say about it: "You should never agree to it, but if you do, do it once and never again." See? I mean if that didn't convince you, nothing will. Don't let it intimidate you, you can write something similar to "about me" while waiting for a bus and send it to me, it's no big deal but will make a difference. Always open for suggestions, Imad * lcp's story: https://news.opensuse.org/2019/06/07/people-of-opensuse-stasiek-michalski/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Meeting minutes 20190514
by Knurpht-openSUSE 21 Jun '19

21 Jun '19

Sorry for the delay ..... Present: All === Agenda === Only item the board has at this moment is the F2F Meeting next week. === F2F Meeting === This year's main topic will be openSUSE's independence. We will meet Thomas di Giacomo for dinner on Thursday 23rd to speak to him about this. One of the issues with an e.V. is that it has no way to maintain a formal relationship with SUSE. A Foundation done right seems to be the best option, but needs proper preparation. All this to be discussed during the F2F. === Community discussion at oSC19 === Simon comes with the idea to shortly inform the community about the plans at the beginning of oSC19, and discuss this with the Board on Sunday at oSC19. Richard will contact Ciaran ( SUSE Legal ) to join us for half an hour during the F2F. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: A decade later, any update on openSUSE strategy?
by Imad Aldoj 19 Jun '19

19 Jun '19

Hi, Today [through my usual unplanned wiki ride] I landed on this page https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Strategy from the Novell era (2010) and it was a really interesting read, mainly the SWOT analysis. Surprisingly, (or not) a lot of it is still relevant today, even tho on the other hand, a lot happened in the tech world. How *and if* the community demography itself has changed? what challenges do we face today? and where are we heading next? I think this is a good time to look back again and analyze the outcome of the last decade and maybe how other distros did compared to openSUSE (specifically Fedora and Arch) Looking at the last few years, what's your view? would be cool to hear some opinions of people who did the last round. Imad -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Membership reminder.
by Simon Lees 18 Jun '19

18 Jun '19

Hi All, Just a general reminder that over the coming months there will be several decisions the openSUSE project will be making ranging from name and branding / logo through to the creation of a foundation, such issues will be decided via membership votes. Anyone who contributes to openSUSE is able to apply for membership following the process listed at [1]. My guess is we have a number of contributors who have never applied for membership because voting for the board doesn't seem important to them, where as some of these other issues may be. If that is the case, now would be a great time to apply so that we don't flood the membership committee so much that it holds up the votes. Cheers Simon 1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: Proposal for Decision Making Process for the formation of our Foundation
by Jim Henderson 10 Jun '19

10 Jun '19

On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 15:11:48 +0200, Richard Brown wrote: > There are topics like those raised in the ongoing name/logo thread, but > I foresee many more in the future, regarding such as things like > budgets, membership dues, etc. Maybe I missed discussion about this, but "membership dues" is concerning to me - I think this project should continue to be driven by the people who do the work, not the people who make monetary contributions. As such, I wouldn't be in favor of individuals or organizations being able to buy influence in the project. I know there's a long history of people wanting to be able to give money to the project to help with costs, and I'm fine with that as long as membership and influence over the project isn't predicated on "he who has the gold makes the rules". My $0.02. ;) -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Proposal for Decision Making Process for the formation of our Foundation
by Richard Brown 09 Jun '19

09 Jun '19

Hi all, I'd like to propose the following approach for the Project as to handle the decisions that need to be answered before we can formally form a Foundation for the Project. There are topics like those raised in the ongoing name/logo thread, but I foresee many more in the future, regarding such as things like budgets, membership dues, etc. These discreet aspects of our Projects governance will need to be decided, and the community at large should be involved in those decisions. At the same time, I think we all want to avoid being stuck in endless loops of endless discussions and endless votes. My proposal is as follows - Topics surrounding the formation of the Foundation should be raised for discussion on opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org - If the discussion produces a clear consensus, as interpreted by the openSUSE Board, then the Board should vote to adopt that consensus as a formal decision of the Project. This vote should require a 2/3s Majority of the Board like required under the Board Election Amendment rules [1] - The interpretation of consensus by the Board should be communicated in advance of any vote by the Board, and should be open to challenge on the opensuse-project mailinglist. - If the discussion does not produce a clear consensus, a vote of openSUSE Members should be conducted - The result of any vote that involves at least 2/3s of the current membership will be considered immediately binding as a formal decision of the Project - The result of any vote that receives less than 2/3s of the current membership will not be considered binding, but will be considered indicative. - The openSUSE Board will then be expected to interpret that indicative result and conduct its own vote on the topic, requiring a 2/3s majority for any decision. To give a real world example - the above policy would mean that the current Name/Logo discussion is on track for a membership vote, as no one in their right mind should think that the discussion has a clear consensus :) The above proposal would only apply for individual aspects of the overarching effort to establish a Foundation for the Project. I do not propose it should apply for the actual formation of the Foundation. For that I believe there should be a final confirmatory vote of the openSUSE Membership. That should require 2/3s participation to be considered valid, and it will be that vote that will formally reflect the communities agreement or rejection of the formation of a Foundation for the Project. I feel the Board should not have a fallback role on such a significant topic for the Project. Failure of the vote to receive 2/3rs participation in the vote should be considered a rejection of the Foundation, due to lack of sufficient interest from the Membership. If everyone agrees, I think the above model should let us move quickly on many aspects of the Foundation we need to approach in the coming months, while ensuring everyone has their chance to have their say. It should also ensure that we're all collectively happy both on individual aspects of the Foundation and the concept as a whole once we have a better picture of what it will look like in practice. Regards Richard Writing as an individual contributor (ie. I didn't discuss this with my Board colleagues before posting it) [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_rules -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Proposal for Decision Making Process for the formation of our Foundation
by Patryk Zera 08 Jun '19

08 Jun '19

To bring the whole voting process in line with Board voting I would also propose that 20% of membership is required to replace foundation or change aspects of it. Which is nonsense. As I see it, we as a Project need input from at least majority of members in such major and important topics. This is deciding future. You can't put it in hands of 20%. Add "I abstain", "I don't care" or something similar to get neutral input in voting but I think Project need to hear "something" from membership. If such voting is binding from 20% because we fear that not many more Members will even care to vote then why even bother with setting this artificial border - just accept any voting result. peace, Patryk Zera -------------------------------------------- 6.6.19 (Czw), Simon Lees <sflees(a)suse.de> napisał(a): Temat: Re: [opensuse-project] Proposal for Decision Making Process for the formation of our Foundation Do: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org Data: 6 Czerwiec 2019 (Czwartek), 23:30 On 07/06/2019 06:44, Simon Lees wrote: > > - 25% of the membership must vote in a ballot before it is considered > binding, any vote under 25% shall be treated as the membership not > having a strong opinion and it shall be upto the board to determine the > best resolution for the issue. Upon further thought i'm going to change the 25% to 20% to bring it in line with the number of members required to replace the board Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Project name and logo discussion
by Stasiek Michalski 05 Jun '19

05 Jun '19

On śro, Jun 5, 2019 at 6:28 PM, Xaver Hellauer <xaver(a)hellauer.bayern> wrote: > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:31 PM, Ish Sookun > <ish.sookun(a)lasentinelle.mu> wrote: > >> >> >> On 6/3/19 3:53 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: >> >> > I really was upset when it was changed from SuSE and again SUSE, >> but >> > understand the need to move to openSUSE. I believe the effort >> needed to >> > resolve all the necessary issues is much better expended on >> further >> > development of our distribution. and Leap and Tumbleweed should >> remain >> > distinctive sub "brand" names for openSUSE. >> >> How about having a foundation name different as the distro name and >> we >> get to keep openSUSE? Something like: >> >> +--------------------+ >> | Example Foundation | >> +---------+----------+ >> | >> | >> v >> +-----+----+ >> | openSUSE | >> +----+-----+ >> | >> v--------+----------v >> +------+ +------------+ >> | Leap | | Tumbleweed | >> +------+ +------+-----+ >> | >> | >> v------+-----v >> +-------+ +---------+ >> | Kubic | | MicroOS | >> +-------+ +---------+ >> > > How about just giving a new name to the foundation loosely tied to > the existing brand (e.g. Squamata Foundation) and just dropping the > "openSUSE" without replacement. The distributions do have names > already. So basically "openSUSE Tumbleweed" becomes "Tumbleweed" and > "openSUSE Leap" becomes "Leap" with highly visible release names > (maybe different lizards) like Debian's and Ubuntu's releases. In my > opinion this would be beneficial to marketing. Everybody cares about > "Disco Dingo", but "15.2" sounds quite boring. > Dropping the "openSUSE" has the following benefits: > * Seemingly cutting ties to a Novell/Microsoft Deal/"Corporate > Overlord" past without creating "SUSE is abandonning openSUSE" FUD. I do wonder if that is over, it has been more than 10 years already for some of those events. > * Tumbleweed and Leap are recognizable brands with very different > audiences, they don't need an umbrella name (like Fedora and CentOS > don't have one either). Well, in case of Fedora distros, there is Fedora Workstation, Fedora Server, Fedora CoreOS, Fedora IoT and Fedora Silverblue (not to count DE spins), when people are talking about "Fedora" they usually mean Workstation/Spins/Server. Fedora is very much an umbrella name for a bunch of different distributions, just like openSUSE. We do have much higher chance of having distro names separate from the project name though, because the names aren't as generic as Fedora's. As an example Tumbleweed, MicroOS and Kubic already have parts of branding that don't mention openSUSE, and Leap 15.2 might too if I'm motivated enough to get that going in the coming year. > * Not being called anything *SUSE* might help making Packman (or at > least some of the packman packages) more official, which would help > making it more easy to install them (Ubuntu-easy, not the existing > "easier than before, but still not really noob-friendly). Mageia for > example got rid of the PLF repo, when they were no longer > Mandrake/Mandriva branded. Not being associated with a corporation, and being a registered foundation does not free us from obeying the patent law, I don't really see how that would work... LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Project name and logo discussion
by S. 04 Jun '19

04 Jun '19

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:14:02 +0200 Stasiek Michalski <hellcp@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Gecko Linux is abandoned, [...] GeckoLinux creator here. GeckoLinux is *NOT* abandoned. Please stop spreading misinformation. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 2019-04-02 board meeting minutes
by Christian Boltz 04 Jun '19

04 Jun '19

Hello, here are the meeting minutes of the 2019-04-02 board meeting. If you prefer the wiki formatting, you can also read them on https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2019-04-02 There are some items with a "feedback welcome" - if you want to comment on them (or the other things), feel free to answer here or to board@ == Foundation/Independence == * we need to decide which way (e.V., joining an umbrella foundation) makes sense - topic for the face to face meeting, feedback on opensuse-project@ is of course welcome * Simon will write up a summary of the options of umbrella foundations * in general feedback from SUSE about becoming independent is positive, but we've also heard a concern that independence could be driven by fundamental things, not practical reasons * if ever needed, we could ignore whatever SUSE does and go our own way * a foundation / independence would make legal stuff like GDPR our business * Simon will talk to Ciaran how we could handle GDPR and other legal stuff == mail hosting using mailbox.org == We have an offer from Heinlein / mailbox org to make @opensuse.org mail addresses real mailboxes. Do our members want this? (Feedback on opensuse-project and @oSC welcome) == GDPR request == openSUSE received a GDPR request which now gets handled by the responsible people. == Cloudfest in Rust == We've seen the discussion on the opensuse-project mailinglist why openSUSE wasn't at Cloudfest. * base requirement (as always) is to have volunteers * commercial booth prices are insane, we'd have to find out if they offer free community booths Regards, Christian Boltz -- Es ist halt nur nicht eine einzige zentrale Filterdatei. Vorteil ist, dass die Anwender ihre eigenen Scripte verwalten (und sich dabei in den Fuss schiessen können). Nachteil ist genau das gleiche. (^-^) [Sandy Drobic in suse-linux über Sieve] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Project name and logo discussion
by Patryk Zera 03 Jun '19

03 Jun '19

Hello, I think openSUSE should stay openSUSE. As logo was orignally also part of this topic, I think I can live with changed logo. Regards, Patryk "Sanchez" Zera -------------------------------------------- 3.6.19 (Pon), Richard Brown <RBrownCCB(a)opensuse.org> napisał(a): (...) Do you think openSUSE should change it's name? Regards, Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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