June 2019 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
by christian.imhorst＠posteo.de 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Hi, Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt(a)suse.com>: As such, maintaining 447 [1] openSUSE members should not depend on a single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known security issues since years[2]. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote: > This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage, > but in the hope that this time I get an answer; > Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive > forward a solution? I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure system! what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support for example? An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but probably there are better tools. What did I miss? I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon as possible. Regards Christian Imhorst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] NNTP gateway to forums.o@o.o
by Knurpht-openSUSE 26 Feb '20

26 Feb '20

Hi all, Since the current NNTP gateway by MicoFocus is being shutdown from Wed 19th of June, there will temporarily be none. Meanwhile some of our community members are working on replacing it, announcements about this will follow a.s.a.p. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project name and logo discussion
by Stasiek Michalski 26 Oct '19

26 Oct '19

Hi, I am myself afraid of this email, because this is about the basis of the community, distributions, plans for foundation etc... Any change in regards to all things outlined here will be controversial and will have huge influence on the future of openSUSE as a whole. Take this very seriously, but also don't take it too seriously because it doesn't change the way community operates, but instead how it ends up being represented. As mentioned in my talk week ago, I would like to change the openSUSE logo to break it off of SUSE branding, however as Richard rightfully pointed out, the suggestion should also mention changing the name of community and distributions, to remove the `SUSE` part of `openSUSE`, on top of a few other issues that are unrelated to foundation talks. [1,2] We do need to tackle this now, considering we are going through vital parts of the talks of the Foundation, and both trademarks are planned to be transferred at some point, but it might be best to start off the foundation with the name and logo that isn't necessarily tied to SUSE brand for easier legal proceedings between SUSE and the project, depending on the community outlook on the ideas. openSUSE logo issues: * older version of SUSE logo, which is similar enough to be confusing, also will require agreement between future openSUSE Foundation and SUSE to use the logo * colour is too bright and light to stand out well on light backgrounds [3] * button variant looks the same as SUSE logo buttons, with the only exception being colour (and SUSE tends to use similar green for buttons they haven't updated in a long time) For current proposals, and to propose more visit: https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/issues/93 openSUSE name issues: * contains `SUSE`, which will require agreement between future openSUSE Foundation and SUSE to use the name (we will need this anyway, because we will support older releases, but at least there would be some exit strategy when everything goes south built into the name of the foundation) * we are endlessly complaining about wrong capitalization (and will for the rest of time), even SUSE has it easier with "only" SuSE, SuSe and Suse [4] * FSF complains about `open`, although that works with openness of the collaboration, more than `free` or `libre` would (not to mention that we do have non-free repos) [5] There has obviously been a lot of suggestions here, from various contributors, stuff like `Viridian Foundation` works quite well for the purposes of the naming, because it references SUSE, while not being directly tied to SUSE name (although it might be too generic and hard to type). More important than the name itself however is to decide if we want to change the logo and/or the name at all, or we want to leave everything as is. If we do decide for a change there we will be able to choose the name and the logo through a vote, I or some other designer will just have to design and fix up logos proposed by the community for the vote (like it was previously done with the YaST mascot/logo, which looked crude before the redesign, but was a great community idea). [6] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgkMlCZiP4 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUZmc4CXzFQ [3] https://contrast-ratio.com/#%2373ba25-on-white [4] https://i.imgur.com/ySr4JAA.png [5] https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#openSUSE [6] https://github.com/yast/yast-theme/commit/1cdb9e9c2545ba1604f8bdf88864e9ae9… LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] RFC: How to improve openSUSE websites
by Vinzenz Vietzke 12 Sep '19

12 Sep '19

Hi there, being relatively new to the openSUSE community over the past few weeks I've been digging through websites and wiki. Quite often I stepped into traps of unclear, misleading or just plain old content. This lead me to the conclusion that there's urgent need of restructuring lots of things. The following is a rough braindump strongly intended as RFC. I try to visualize my thoughts as good as possible with screenshots. # First sight The website opensuse.org in overall is looking good and I really like the coloring. But looking closer there is a lot of clutter which needs to be restructured. Important stuff needs to be visible at first glimpse. See the screenshot taken on a regular FullHD monitor [1] and try to tell what's this all about - imagining you don't know what openSUSE is. Why not tell at first sight: - this is a Linux distribution - this is how it looks like - these three things make it outstanding Positive examples as comparison: Fedora [2], Solus [3] # Getting information To get more details I have to scroll quite a lot and/or click very often in comparison to the amount of information I get in the end. The waste of space is too high and it should be reduced. Also these animations are quite annoying. Especially the bouncing circle when clicking on "How to contribute" > "Code" just to show a few sentences afterwards. # Consolidate information ## News News about ongoing development and information about achievements is one the crucial thing to be spead out widely. The "News" section on opensuse.org is just way too small and is just drowned out by the "Tools" and "Contribute" sections. So we should either remove it there completely and give it a separate page (See Solus Blog [4]). Or move it upwards on opensuse.org and make it way more prominent. At least linking to news.opensuse.org is useless and should be stopped (even more from a design perspective). Currently there are way too many places just to get news. Let me summarize it and - please correct me if I got something wrong: 1. opensuse.org It grabs first 2-3 sentences of a post and links to it on news.o.o. 2. news.opensuse.org This filled by Doug and (just guessing) members of news mailing list. 3. lizards.opensuse.org Looks exactly the same as news.o.o but consists of blog posts by devs and dev teams. The difference to news.o.o is stated nowhere, the reasons for this separation not made clear either. 4. planet.opensuse.org This looks only slightly similar to news.o.o and lizards.o.o, even the content is different. But: why is dimstar's blog (the TW reviews) and the Open Build Service blog listed there? Following the logic above it should at least be in lizards.o.o if not even in news.o.o! ## Website vs. Wiki Looking at the content of opensuse.org and wiki.opensuse.org I think there's no clear plan what to put where. My understand of a wiki is a) collaboratively created content and b) content changing regularly. A source for documentation if you will. The "Contribute" section on opensuse.org gives you just a few sentences but links to a wiki page. This is unnecessary as the ways to contribute won't hardly change very often. I assume this is mostly done due to the fact that opensuse.org has hardly any space left for slightly more detailed information. But that's what a website is made for. Sending people from URL to URL without giving them a consistent layout is at best confusing if not frustrating. Partly positive example: Fedora [5] (sat in comparison to opensuse.org) That's all for now. I understand that many things have somehow grown over the years. But as I'm willing to tackle these I am looking forward to your comments/critics. Regards, vinz. [1] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/HzRmZnH7mwMgkEg [2] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/nPammszr3Z4me2B [3] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/G7xwekJPW6S5Dwi [4] https://getsol.us/blog/ [5] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/nXtaXHfqxwTyAbL -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] LIBOCON
by ddemaio 03 Sep '19

03 Sep '19

Hi all, We may sponsor LibOCon (https://libocon.org) in Almarie, Spain, this year. If anyone plans on going and would like to help out with a booth there, please email me. v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] dis-Connect
by Fraser_Bell 19 Jul '19

19 Jul '19

Hi, Christian: > <Fraser_Bell> Thanks. BTW: I would join Heroes and work on the Connect.o.o replacements, if I had any idea what I was doing. But, not till elections are over. > <cboltz> :-) > <cboltz> the important part of connect.o.o is handling the membership and maybe being a "phonebook" for openSUSE > <cboltz> the other parts (groups, polls etc.) are more or less useless and can easily be dropped <snip> > <cboltz> Fraser_Bell: I also like the https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/$USERNAME pages so if you work on a replacement and keep them, I'll be more than happy ;-) > <Fraser_Bell> Yes. <snip> > cboltz> oh, I'm quite sure someone will happily upgrade you if you promise to do the work ;-) > <Fraser_Bell> cboltz: Wait until after the Elections, please, I am now down to 20 pounds soaking wet and red, bleary eyes!!!! Elections are over. Let's get started. -- -Gerry Makaro openSUSE Member openSUSE Global Moderator openSUSE Contributor YaST Contributor aka Fraser_Bell on the Forums, OBS, IRC, and mail at openSUSE.org Fraser-Bell on Github -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] The openSUSE Foundation Proposal - First Discussion Draft
by Simon Lees 26 Jun '19

26 Jun '19

Hi All, During this years face to face board meeting, the board started more serious work / discussions in relation to an openSUSE Foundation, to most people reading this list including our meeting minutes or who were at the openSUSE conference this comes as little surprise. The during the meetings the board put together a "Discussion Document" that outlines a proposed framework of what the board considers would be the best way to form an openSUSE foundation, what would change, what would stay the same and what we would require from our biggest partner SUSE. While the board is yet to formally present and start discussing a version of this document with SUSE management (we will do so in the coming days), we have discussed the content face to face with high levels of SUSE's management and at this stage have general in principle support to move forward in this direction. So the board would be very surprised if we were told to go back to the drawing board and start again. Having said that much of the detail is still up for discussion and will be worked through over the coming months so the board welcomes any feedback from the community. **Foundation Proposal First Discussion Draft** *Introduction* The Board has spent most of it's annual F2F meeting with the continuation of the ongoing discussion about openSUSE's lack of having/being a legal entity ot it's own. This topic has been out there almost as long as openSUSE exists, but has returned on the board's table after the sale of SUSE, and some incidents where not having a legal entity appeared to be an issue. SUSE and openSUSE share common roots, history and values. Our current working relationship is a mutually beneficial "win-win" which we wish to preserve while simultaneously extending openSUSE's ability to take more actions on it's own. There is no desire for any increased distance between SUSE & openSUSE, but to add more capabilities to the openSUSE Project in addition to the status quo. Of particular interest is enabling openSUSE to be able to receive and provide sponsorships (in terms of money, hardware, or contracted services). Currently such agreements can only be handled by SUSE, which can discourage and complicate arranging such sponsorships with other organisations. The primary purpose of the Foundation is to enable and support the openSUSE membership and community efforts in all activities of the openSUSE Project *Motivations* - Partnering with organisations outside of SUSE -Receiving donations - Being able to spend money on behalf of openSUSE - Being able to sign contracts with venues, service providers, or other partners *Proposed Charter* - openSUSE Foundation is a legal entity having been founded on the date of xxxxxxx with the following identity: yyyyyyyyy. The Foundation, in terms of an entity, should be considered to be distinct from the software development projects and the promotional activities that it supports, steers and sustains. The openSUSE Foundation is a not for profit organisation that believes in empowering its Contributors so that the user community can benefit from the best, most-sustainable and most-innovative open source software. To achieve this, most of the daily work is performed by the Foundation's Contributors. Nonetheless, certain bodies or committees will be in charge of work when the decision-taking requires extraordinary decisions, litigation, conflict resolution, funding, treasury, strategic technical decisions, strategic technical guidance, and general guidance on orientations. In principle, the processes, discussions and decisions of openSUSE Foundation, of its Committees, of its Board and of its Officers are public, and decisions are taken in a rational and transparent manner. *Proposal Summary* - The Board request that SUSE provide capital stock and help to setup the foundation - The Board request that SUSE provide 1 or 2 FTE staffing to handle the admin work of the foundation alongside the existing work it does managing the TSP etc - The Board is open to any discussion regarding bylaws or statues to codify and guarantee the ongoing productive relationship between SUSE & openSUSE - The openSUSE Foundation board will take over the role of the current openSUSE Board - The makeup and election / removal of the openSUSE Foundation board will remain the same as the current openSUSE board as documented in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_rules - The rules for membership of the openSUSE Foundation will remain the same as the rules for existing openSUSE members with the exception that members are required to be over 16 as per legal requirements. Existing openSUSE Members will be invited to become members of the new openSUSE Foundation - trademark / intellectual property usage guarantee in case SUSE ever drops doing Linux distributions (like KDE / Qt) - Ideally/eventually transfer of openSUSE trademarks into Foundation *Details for Further Discussion* - Charter of Foundation needs to be detailed - learning from other free software foundations like TDF Lawyer advise needed - What IT infrastracture and data should remain under the ownership of SUSE and what should be transfered to the openSUSE Foundation? - Should the openSUSE foundation become the responsible body for openSUSE's data and therefore it's GDPR compliance? - should the openSUSE trademarks and interlectual property be transferred to Foundation? *Other Considered Options* - e. V. (association) - too easy to "take over" and change purpose - Structure too inflexible (the board would not be able to continue to function in its current makeup) - umbrella organization (like linux foundation) - Takes ~10% of income, i..e. donations,sponsormoney, own donated hardware - openSUSE is too large an organisation for most umbrella organisations to handle unless openSUSE is only using an umbrella for a very limited set of features. - Keeping things the way they currently are - sometimes causes problems, for example accepting docations is hard - often unable to partner with other companies as there is no openSUSE entity that can sign contracts etc. References: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Foundation https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/statutes/ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto Sent on behalf of the openSUSE board. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Curious, what happened to openSUSE around 2012?
by Imad Aldoj 26 Jun '19

26 Jun '19

So based on information gathered mostly from the wiki and general knowledge, I noticed that openSUSE was quite popular between 2008-2012 [2008 I guess this has to do with the first elected board] Throughout these years it seems every team had a plan, everyone has a weekly meeting (not just the board) and most mailing lists were at their peak; but suddenly many wiki pages stop right after that, it's weird reading about what a team was planning for next week then... blank. Things that might be related: - 2 members stepped down from the 5th board [2012] - News team almost stops completely around 2011 [Saigkill seems to be the one who kept pages pretty active at the time] And I'm sure there're other events that I didn't keep track of but that doesn't affect the question really If nothing maybe happened at that exact time then what happened to all those people who created and used to make the mailing list alive? how things changed? it kinda bugs me, I'm just wondering because this part isn't documented and I can't think of anything based on what I've. Appreciate any input, Imad -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] A call to share your story on People of openSUSE
by Imad Aldoj 25 Jun '19

25 Jun '19

Hello ladies and gentlemen, Did you know that People of openSUSE is the second nicest place on the internet? You probably heard of it but the project was "almost" on hibernation since the 2012 era. Anyway, a week or so earlier I approached lcp and he shared his story (link below) and I'm here to encourage more people to share theirs as well. I believe it's really important for the healthiness of the community, getting to know each other more will results in more collaboration and at the same time help solving misunderstandings smoothly knowing where each side is coming from. Kinda similar to board candidates interviews but more friendly and for different cause. Still hesitated? here's what lcp has to say about it: "You should never agree to it, but if you do, do it once and never again." See? I mean if that didn't convince you, nothing will. Don't let it intimidate you, you can write something similar to "about me" while waiting for a bus and send it to me, it's no big deal but will make a difference. Always open for suggestions, Imad * lcp's story: https://news.opensuse.org/2019/06/07/people-of-opensuse-stasiek-michalski/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Meeting minutes 20190514
by Knurpht-openSUSE 21 Jun '19

21 Jun '19

Sorry for the delay ..... Present: All === Agenda === Only item the board has at this moment is the F2F Meeting next week. === F2F Meeting === This year's main topic will be openSUSE's independence. We will meet Thomas di Giacomo for dinner on Thursday 23rd to speak to him about this. One of the issues with an e.V. is that it has no way to maintain a formal relationship with SUSE. A Foundation done right seems to be the best option, but needs proper preparation. All this to be discussed during the F2F. === Community discussion at oSC19 === Simon comes with the idea to shortly inform the community about the plans at the beginning of oSC19, and discuss this with the Board on Sunday at oSC19. Richard will contact Ciaran ( SUSE Legal ) to join us for half an hour during the F2F. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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