July 2010 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[Fwd: Re: [opensuse-project] The new wiki search plain sucks]
by DenverD 13 Jul '10

13 Jul '10

Henne Vogelsang wrote: > We have set some clear goals for the new > openSUSE wiki and everybody was invited to participate in this effort. > You didn't so please respect what we came up with. hard to respect a broken search paradigm which _requires_ the searcher to know in advance where the nugget of info searched for is hiding today, and then click to check mark _the_ correct 'namespace' of 32 available.. DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] final preperation of the openSUSE 11.3 release
by Michael Loeffler 13 Jul '10

13 Jul '10

Moin, as openSUSE release is this Thursday 1200 UTC (2pm CEST, 8am EST, 5am MDT) I suggest we should all be on #opensuse-project at Freenode on Thursday to coordinate the release and relating stuff. As far as I remember this worked out pretty well with the last release. Thank you all already for the very good preparation of the launch I've seen so far. Best Michael Some marketing related todo's are here: http://old-en.opensuse.org/Marketing/Team/11_3_Launch -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE in Russia
by Susanne Graf 12 Jul '10

12 Jul '10

Hey :) Tonight there will be a meeting with some Russian openSUSE Ambassadors and openSUSE interested people. Where? server: irc.freenode.org chan: #opensuse-project When? Monday ( 07/12/2010 ) at at 23:00 +003 GMT What is the meeting about? (all points in relation to Russia) 1. openSUSE Conference 2. What about the community in Russia. Can we help in some points? How can we make to community in Russia more popular? 3. Is there something on the distribution what we can change? 4. Questions and other point where you're interested in If you are interested in openSUSE in Russia you are welcome to engage. Have a lot of fun Susanne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Distribution presentations on the wiki
by Rajko M. 12 Jul '10

12 Jul '10

Going to particular mail lists for each project can mean multiple posts: Here is LXDE presentation: http://wiki.opensuse.org/LXDE IMO, it is the least boring on the wiki thanks to the oldcpu's video. There is a room for improvement, but you can't say more with lesser text. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse] 11.0 Closing Desktop Summary and 11.3 Opportunities
by Greg Freemyer 11 Jul '10

11 Jul '10

David, I've cc'ed this to opensuse-project. Seems like an email they should see. Greg On 7/10/10, David C. Rankin <drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > Listmates, > > 11.0 Desktop Summary > > All-in-all, kde3 (except for the kde4 induced gtk issue, missing menu and > control panel issues on x86_64) finished life in 11.0 in phenomenal shape. > It > was truly enjoyable to use. Gnome finished in fantastic shape even for > remaining > at an ancient 2.2.0 release point. > > E16 was perfect. E17 was near perfect. Credit for the fantastic shape of > both > enlightenment desktops goes to Dmitry Serpokryl for his great work there. > > WindowMaker, blackbox, fluxbox, openbox and lxde were all in great shape > except > that many of the desktop components needed to be found and installed from > source > due to declining interest from the build service maintainers. > > IceWM, twm and fvwm2 were in good working order as well. > > XFCE was probably the largest disappointment due to newer packages being > available and then pulled from the repos during the last 2 months of support > leaving a mess for that desktop at 11.0 EOL. > > Unfortunately, the desktop selection in all versions of openSuSE since 11.0 > has > narrowed significantly. Enlightenment remains a bright point due to Dmitry's > continued hard work. Gnome is still in good shape in 11.2 and to SuSE's > credit > KDE3 being continued was in my opinion was probably one of the smartest > decisions I have seen made in the past 2 years. No matter how you slice it, > KDE4 > is still just a mess of differing beta ideas being shoved together in hope > something usable springs forward on its own. It's like a desktop with > cerebral > palsy or Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and evidently is shares the same > prognosis. > > 11.3 Opportunities > > Hopefully the opensuse devs will continue to put effort into keeping a good > desktop selection available for 11.3. I would have gladly transitioned to > kde4 > if the normal simple things worked reliably, but it is hit and miss. 160+ > bug > reports opened and counting. > > Take it to heart there are many more good desktop choices out there besides > kde4 > that are stable and efficient right now. If 1% of the effort currently being > spent by opensuse on kde4 was committed to packaging these desktops for > 11.3, > then 11.3 could be just as solid a release as 11.0 was from a desktop > standpoint > -- and hopefully it will be. > > We shall see what the future holds. > > [ ...for additional consideration ] > > The benefit to opensuse from moving to a rolling-release model and ditching > the > waste/duplication of effort in maintaining 3 release sets of everything is > also > something worth seriously considering... Soon resources will be divided > between > 11.1, 11.2 and 11.3 when resources should be singularly focused on opensuse > -- > think about it... From what I've seen, that model produces the best linux > distribution for the least amount of resources required and the best user > experience by eliminating the forced migration from release to release. > > > -- > David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. > Rankin Law Firm, PLLC > 510 Ochiltree Street > Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 > Telephone: (936) 715-9333 > Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 > www.rankinlawfirm.com > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- Sent from my mobile device Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo - http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retrie… The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] are the mail list also down?
by DenverD 10 Jul '10

10 Jul '10

the forum.opensuse http <-> nntp interface is down.. i wonder if the quiet here is somehow related? DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Naming registered members of openSUSE
by Rajko M. 09 Jul '10

09 Jul '10

We started discussion about name for openSUSE "members" in another thread and then it stopped. I vote for name "Core member" as it describes what current "member" is and avoids permanent confusion that we had with additional meaning that we gave to word "member". It is intuitive that Core members are those: - that create core of project and distribution, - have sustained activity in some of project areas (activities) I would like to propose to introduce one more category of members that will be source for Core members, a "Distinctive contributor". That will be those that give a lot more then average contributor, but don't have sustained activity, or at least not long enough to be considered as sustained. Chat does not qualify as contribution :) If someone wants to complain that this brings inequality in community, then let we see how to compensate those that are not only takers and entice more giver behavior to show up, without any process that will acknowledge the difference in activity. There is not many people in the world that work without reward. There is also not many that can live and act with minimal social interaction. In order to address needs of majority we can either pay them or give recognition. Keeping all equal is not a good option. In small projects where everyone knows everybody, there is no need for formal recognition. With project of openSUSE size, with 12164 people that found time to create entry in https://users.opensuse.org/ and 426 that applied for membership and are approved there is no chance that everyone knows everyone, so there is a need for formal recognition. -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Strategy d: Status Quo, and quantified so
by Jan Engelhardt 08 Jul '10

08 Jul '10

== Statement == We deliver a well-balanced platform that equally appeals to end users, power users, developers and server administrators. (Other fields we currently do?) == Activities == === Will do... === * Do as we always did * Good compromise between actuality and stability * Agreeable release cycle between 8 and 12 months * Support for the 3 most current releases * Continue the naturally growth of openSUSE:Factory by incorporating contributors' submissions * For end users * Deliver both KDE and GNOME desktops (with a focus on KDE. By laws of physics we are required to provide an antipole to the otherwise GNOME-ridden world ;-) * Covering a multitude of areas of interest (publishing:/latex, OOo, graphics:/gimp, inkscape, etc.) * For developers * C, C++, Perl, Python, Java and the usual satellite libraries (boost, libwhatdoIknow, maven, ...) * For power users and sysadmins * Agreeable command line experience (I can quantify that if desired..) * Xen VM * Networking Services (dns,http,etc etc etc) === Try to... === * Deliver a third, more minimalistic desktop environment * Speed it up (doesn't everybody? :-) * minimal system (we're ok I'd say) * blubb. * Do The Right Thing™ rather than just doing what the loudest voice says - i.e. critical analysis towards hyped items === Will... === * not solely focus on a narrow band topic only * not necessarily do something just because Ubuntu does it Readers: Whatever we do currently, add it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Strategy d: Status Quo, and quantified so
by Jan Engelhardt 08 Jul '10

08 Jul '10

Guido Berhoester wrote: > >This was not intended as a _documentation_ of the status quo. >Although it does that as well, it primarily constitutes a >_proposal for a strategy_ which aims to focus on and stick to >existing strengths of the project while addressing some >deficiencies. In fact it incorporates parts of the other >proposals and should stand adjacent to them as an equal >alternative. We just have to separate "what we did" and "what we plan" into two wikistyle ==sections==. That said, if there is anything in there that is not expressly marked as "we plan to do this", then let's hear it. >good compromise between actuality and stability (the Debian--Fedora tradeoff) I guess SUSE always had that. >agreeable release cycle 8-12 months It was something like that. Now somebody mentioned it was a fixed 8 months, so uh well. That decision itself is young. >support for the 3 most current releases Also a reply stated 2 releases - to make 18 months. Which isn't quite true. _Right now_, there's 11.0, 11.1 and 11.2 supported, and as I've just read on LWN, 11.0's has just been extended until 11.3 is here. And once that is out you again have three: 11.3, 11.2, 11.1. >We will do The Right Thing Now, that is perhaps in part, novel. But it is expressly prefixed with "will", so is not something that was always done in the past (think: pulseaudio). And so on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Naming registered members of openSUSE
by DenverD 08 Jul '10

08 Jul '10

Carlos E. R. wrote: > Mmm... I'm openSUSE Potato Carlos... Does it sound right? :-? :-p as an 'outsider' who has had many real titles in a long and exciting life with no connection to a self-selected group, i need to say: this discussion is rather humorous.. now, i want all the folks who have never had a title and really want one to stand on one side, and all the others come over here with me and then _we_ let the i-wish-i-had-a-Core-Distinctive-SuperDuper-title hash out what they wanna call each other, so they know the correct pecking order!! and, then they can discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.. Evil Potato DenverD aks: non-member/talker -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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