Board Meeting March 25
7-9pm UTC
Federico Mena Quintero (federico1)
Michael Löffler (michl)
Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs)
Pascal Bleser (yaloki)
Status of old action items
* AI henne, create board blog a spotlight.opensuse.org
WIP
* AI all, get Member approval done
-henne and yaloki want to hack the thing that it becomes more
efficient
* Trademark guide lines, AI: zonker to do next steps for v2
-WIP, for feeback please use:
http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines_use_cases
- Boards view on cusomized versions
- limited use of openSUSE customized distro allowed (eg. for
friends, in my LUG)
- broader audience should ask for permission, esp. as they want PR
through the openSUSE mark like "You want to distribute media with
marks on them. Fine. But if you want prestige, come to us."
* Improvment of IRC cloak and email address handling
- suseROCKs and yaloki should become side admins at freenode
- WIP - already applied
* openSUSE conference
- will take place in Nuremberg, Sept 17-20
- zonker will establish a program committee
- AI: zonker to announce it
* openSUSE Foundation
The discussion about an own openSUSE foundation came up again on
several places. Especially for receiving donations and support with
them directly the community (travel, hardware etc.) a foundation
would be a huge step forward. Today it's pretty complicated and
everything needs to go through the body of Novell.
We're in agreement that such a move will be only succesful if we do it
together with Novell (in the sense of make Novell participating in
the creation of such a foundation).
Yaloki came up with some urls of organization which do "donation
collection" for other open source projects:
http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/http://www.spi-inc.org/about-spi
AI: michl checks on foundation creation in Germany
AI: yaloki to get more inforamtion about the existing organizations
* Seperate openSUSE bugzilla
Not all are happy with the openSUSE bugzilla. We had a discussion
about pros and cons for having a seperate instance for openSUSE.
- Federico: as for me, I'll heartily recommend not having a
separate/different bug tracker - it's a major pain in the ass. We
had that situation in bugzilla.ximian.com and an internal bug
tracker, and it sucks big rocks
- yaloki: Novell Bugzilla sucks big rocks for non-novell employees
and the unnecessary complexity of bugzilla might put off people to
file bugs
- our Bugzilla is just too complicated + ichain is not appreciated by
some people
- get rid of ichain, Lauch pad might be a possibillity
-> move to email discussion
Membership Advantages
- suseRocks came up with the idea to get each member a free LWN
account
AI: michl to ask zonker
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I was thinking about this and thought it would be cool to have an
openSUSE Social Networking Site. Yes, I know it sounds weird, but
think it would be cool to have a common social gather place for people
that like/use/enjoy openSUSE. To me wikis don't jump out and scream
community as much as a social site. I set up a demo site:
http://www.opensuse-community.com
I know that is extremely similar to http://www.opensuse-community.org
. I figured that worst case I could setup a demo site there.
Whatever the outcome is, the domain can stay or I can redirect it.
I'm interested in hearing your feedback.
Thanks,
Stephen (decriptor)
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Hi all,
Just a quick reminder: the next openSUSE Project meeting is April 8th,
at 16:00 UTC. (See The Fixed Time World Clock [1] for the time in your
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hi,
over on the opensuse user list, there's, imho, a refreshingly
thoughtful, well-written commentary posted by Jim Henderson,
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-04/msg00002.html
he's done a good job of expressing thoughts & frustrations that, i'd
suggest, more than a few of us (community & commercial users alike)
experience in the project.
for starters, i'll let his comments @ that thread speak for themselves
... and hope to see some good discussion here.
for my part, i'll say this -- *suse (that's SLES, SLED and openSUSE)
are our distributions of choice. the community and support are, in
general, the best of the bunch.
tbh, there _is_ some concern on my part in posting this that simply
raising the flag will engender some less-than-happy retorts -- but, my
hope is that I'm wrong and Jim's right and that there is a recognition
that "mortal users" do contribute value, that those contributions have
value to BOTH opensuse and the commercial products, and that there
needs to be some middle ground found for project "support" (however
that ends up being defined) other that "Go buy SLES/D ..."
thanks.
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Stephen,
As Pavol Rusnak mentioned earlier, all of Eucalyptus' target distros are handled by the Build Service. Surely we should be trying to convince them to use our service and enlightening them that by doing so enables them to have maximum reach with minimal effort.
Regards,
Andy
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Shaw
Sent: 30/03/2009 17:52:11
To: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org; openSUSE Marketing; openSUSE
Subject: [opensuse-project] vote for suse on the eucalyptus poll
Lets make openSUSE more visible and vote up suse on the eucalyptus poll.
http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpview/564200-152224
The long and short is that eucalyptus is a private internal ec2 cloud.
Thanks,
Stephen
PS. Sorry for the cross post.
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Something I did not include in the previous mail, partly because I
forgot /partly because It can be implemented independently of the
usability improved minimalistic yast is a extra tab for the yast
software manager.
This tab would focus on desktop applications exclusively. For example
when I want to install one simple application for example openoffice,
dozens of package appear, regular users are puzzled by it and don't get
anywhere, and advanced users have to look out for the one right package
to install or rigorous one-by-one selection.
Packages are usually not suitable for non-technicall people.
Also people looks software by what it does, not its category or name.
So having an extra tab that is presented by defaut to non-tech users
would make their lives easier. Por example a user wants to convert flv
video to mp4 or avi, how to find quickly and throughtly?. With that
meaning a broad selection and a correct selection in short time.
There are two ways in my mind, one having a graphical catalog where the
user click into sections like in a web-page to find what he wants, and
the other having tag based contextual/semantic search. This last
approach requires to tag accordingly the packages or having a separate
"tags" database. Whatever the approach it should help the regular user
find fast what he wants, be it multimedia/productivity/games/whatever.
I'd like to hear your opinions.
Thanks.
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Just example what new users hit when they try Linux:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/a_newbie_turns_to_linux
Samba is notorious problem.
It is not installed, user is not warned that it should be installed.
Whoever wants more users, has to provide polish in areas that mass market is
asking for.
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Where is the right place to discuss openSUSE specific mentoring issues for the
summer of code? Do we use gsoc-mentors(a)opensuse.org again? Are the mentors
subscribed there?
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I have interest on some of the ideas for gsoc and also have many ideas
of my own, some more out of reality than others.
I'd like to hear your opinion:
Porting openSUSE to either MIPS/ARM platform: I like the
challenge/adventure of other architectures and their possibilities but
some people just don't seem to think they are worth the work. I while
ago I was talking on the opensuse-project with a guy that pretty much
assured the future endurance of the x86 over anything else. I think that
now there is an oportunity now for this for the new netbooks. My only
real problem is that I don't have hardware to experiment with, just qemu.
Distributed package and updates system: I distributed bittorrent-alike
system for distributing regular updates and packages would increase the
download speed and reduce the network workload on central nodes, and
give certain degree of resilience of the package/update system against
server downtime. The concept itself is not new at all, but never has
been used for active package and updates install over the net (as far as
I know at least).
Boot time optimization: probably the most innocent and error prone of
all :-). Is important on laptops/notebooks/netbooks and for regular
people who is hasty to go nowhere fast. The boundary between
luxury/vanity and real world need is difficult for this one.
Minimalistic User Friendly Yast Interface/Plug&Play Background
Facilities: A simple user interface common tasks oriented, Homer Simpson
friendly user interface, with a background demon service that
automatically runs when new hardware is connected so the install of
modules and binary blobs is pretty much automatic and the common user is
relieved from thinking too much. Linux distributions in general have
suffered the stigma of "user unfriedliness". A perception that anything
just requires too much time and pain to get to work that is not worth
the trouble. The non-technical user need certain hand holding and
emotional reassurance that things are going to work or a explicit
explanation of why it does not work. Not some cryptic message
/var/log/messages.
Also application sofware needed to work with the hardware should be
installed if possible/needed. Well this is a less geeky idea, but a
needed one as well as potentially controversial.
I have other ideas, but lets see this ones for the moment.
Thanks.
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