April 2009 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, March 25
by Michael Loeffler 11 Apr '09

11 Apr '09

Board Meeting March 25 7-9pm UTC Federico Mena Quintero (federico1) Michael Löffler (michl) Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs) Pascal Bleser (yaloki) Status of old action items * AI henne, create board blog a spotlight.opensuse.org WIP * AI all, get Member approval done -henne and yaloki want to hack the thing that it becomes more efficient * Trademark guide lines, AI: zonker to do next steps for v2 -WIP, for feeback please use: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines_use_cases - Boards view on cusomized versions - limited use of openSUSE customized distro allowed (eg. for friends, in my LUG) - broader audience should ask for permission, esp. as they want PR through the openSUSE mark like "You want to distribute media with marks on them. Fine. But if you want prestige, come to us." * Improvment of IRC cloak and email address handling - suseROCKs and yaloki should become side admins at freenode - WIP - already applied * openSUSE conference - will take place in Nuremberg, Sept 17-20 - zonker will establish a program committee - AI: zonker to announce it * openSUSE Foundation The discussion about an own openSUSE foundation came up again on several places. Especially for receiving donations and support with them directly the community (travel, hardware etc.) a foundation would be a huge step forward. Today it's pretty complicated and everything needs to go through the body of Novell. We're in agreement that such a move will be only succesful if we do it together with Novell (in the sense of make Novell participating in the creation of such a foundation). Yaloki came up with some urls of organization which do "donation collection" for other open source projects: http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/ http://www.spi-inc.org/about-spi AI: michl checks on foundation creation in Germany AI: yaloki to get more inforamtion about the existing organizations * Seperate openSUSE bugzilla Not all are happy with the openSUSE bugzilla. We had a discussion about pros and cons for having a seperate instance for openSUSE. - Federico: as for me, I'll heartily recommend not having a separate/different bug tracker - it's a major pain in the ass. We had that situation in bugzilla.ximian.com and an internal bug tracker, and it sucks big rocks - yaloki: Novell Bugzilla sucks big rocks for non-novell employees and the unnecessary complexity of bugzilla might put off people to file bugs - our Bugzilla is just too complicated + ichain is not appreciated by some people - get rid of ichain, Lauch pad might be a possibillity -> move to email discussion Membership Advantages - suseRocks came up with the idea to get each member a free LWN account AI: michl to ask zonker -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Social Networking Demo Site
by Stephen Shaw 08 Apr '09

08 Apr '09

I was thinking about this and thought it would be cool to have an openSUSE Social Networking Site. Yes, I know it sounds weird, but think it would be cool to have a common social gather place for people that like/use/enjoy openSUSE. To me wikis don't jump out and scream community as much as a social site. I set up a demo site: http://www.opensuse-community.com I know that is extremely similar to http://www.opensuse-community.org . I figured that worst case I could setup a demo site there. Whatever the outcome is, the domain can stay or I can redirect it. I'm interested in hearing your feedback. Thanks, Stephen (decriptor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder: openSUSE Project Meeting Wednesday (April 8)
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 06 Apr '09

06 Apr '09

Hi all, Just a quick reminder: the next openSUSE Project meeting is April 8th, at 16:00 UTC. (See The Fixed Time World Clock [1] for the time in your time zone.) As always, the meeting will be held in IRC on the #opensuse-project channel on Freenode. If you're a mentor or student interested in participating in Google Summer of Code, please attend this meeting! Please add your topics to the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Project_Meeting_2009-04-08 Please add topics as soon as possible. Also, if you have questions for the meeting, but can't attend (we know that the meeting times can't work for everyone) please add them to the agenda as well. For more on IRC meetings, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About. As always, we meet in #opensuse-project on Freenode. Fire up your favorite IRC client and head over to #opensuse-project. Not familiar with IRC? A good overview can be found at irchelp.org. This site is not affiliated with openSUSE. For more information on Freenode, see http://freenode.net/. Wondering what meeting times are? Check the openSUSE Meetings page[2]. All project meetings and team meetings should be listed there. [1]: http://tinyurl.com/dm6sqa [2]: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] users' perspectives on openSUSE support, backports, our contributions, etc (fwd from user-list)
by PGNet 06 Apr '09

06 Apr '09

hi, over on the opensuse user list, there's, imho, a refreshingly thoughtful, well-written commentary posted by Jim Henderson, http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-04/msg00002.html he's done a good job of expressing thoughts & frustrations that, i'd suggest, more than a few of us (community & commercial users alike) experience in the project. for starters, i'll let his comments @ that thread speak for themselves ... and hope to see some good discussion here. for my part, i'll say this -- *suse (that's SLES, SLED and openSUSE) are our distributions of choice. the community and support are, in general, the best of the bunch. tbh, there _is_ some concern on my part in posting this that simply raising the flag will engender some less-than-happy retorts -- but, my hope is that I'm wrong and Jim's right and that there is a recognition that "mortal users" do contribute value, that those contributions have value to BOTH opensuse and the commercial products, and that there needs to be some middle ground found for project "support" (however that ends up being defined) other that "Go buy SLES/D ..." thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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RE: [opensuse-project] vote for suse on the eucalyptus poll
by Andrew Wafaa 06 Apr '09

06 Apr '09

Stephen, As Pavol Rusnak mentioned earlier, all of Eucalyptus' target distros are handled by the Build Service. Surely we should be trying to convince them to use our service and enlightening them that by doing so enables them to have maximum reach with minimal effort. Regards, Andy -- Sent from a Nokia E71 Andrew Wafaa, openSUSE Member: FunkyPenguin. openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org . -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Shaw Sent: 30/03/2009 17:52:11 To: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org; openSUSE Marketing; openSUSE Subject: [opensuse-project] vote for suse on the eucalyptus poll Lets make openSUSE more visible and vote up suse on the eucalyptus poll. http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpview/564200-152224 The long and short is that eucalyptus is a private internal ec2 cloud. Thanks, Stephen PS. Sorry for the cross post. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] application navigation/search tab for software management on yast
by Ricardo Cornet 03 Apr '09

03 Apr '09

Something I did not include in the previous mail, partly because I forgot /partly because It can be implemented independently of the usability improved minimalistic yast is a extra tab for the yast software manager. This tab would focus on desktop applications exclusively. For example when I want to install one simple application for example openoffice, dozens of package appear, regular users are puzzled by it and don't get anywhere, and advanced users have to look out for the one right package to install or rigorous one-by-one selection. Packages are usually not suitable for non-technicall people. Also people looks software by what it does, not its category or name. So having an extra tab that is presented by defaut to non-tech users would make their lives easier. Por example a user wants to convert flv video to mp4 or avi, how to find quickly and throughtly?. With that meaning a broad selection and a correct selection in short time. There are two ways in my mind, one having a graphical catalog where the user click into sections like in a web-page to find what he wants, and the other having tag based contextual/semantic search. This last approach requires to tag accordingly the packages or having a separate "tags" database. Whatever the approach it should help the regular user find fast what he wants, be it multimedia/productivity/games/whatever. I'd like to hear your opinions. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Sample article about new user experience.
by Rajko M. 03 Apr '09

03 Apr '09

Just example what new users hit when they try Linux: http://blogs.computerworld.com/a_newbie_turns_to_linux Samba is notorious problem. It is not installed, user is not warned that it should be installed. Whoever wants more users, has to provide polish in areas that mass market is asking for. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GSoC mentor mailing list
by Cornelius Schumacher 01 Apr '09

01 Apr '09

Where is the right place to discuss openSUSE specific mentoring issues for the summer of code? Do we use gsoc-mentors(a)opensuse.org again? Are the mentors subscribed there? -- Cornelius Schumacher <cschum(a)suse.de> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] My ideas for gsoc on opensuse
by Ricardo Cornet 01 Apr '09

01 Apr '09

I have interest on some of the ideas for gsoc and also have many ideas of my own, some more out of reality than others. I'd like to hear your opinion: Porting openSUSE to either MIPS/ARM platform: I like the challenge/adventure of other architectures and their possibilities but some people just don't seem to think they are worth the work. I while ago I was talking on the opensuse-project with a guy that pretty much assured the future endurance of the x86 over anything else. I think that now there is an oportunity now for this for the new netbooks. My only real problem is that I don't have hardware to experiment with, just qemu. Distributed package and updates system: I distributed bittorrent-alike system for distributing regular updates and packages would increase the download speed and reduce the network workload on central nodes, and give certain degree of resilience of the package/update system against server downtime. The concept itself is not new at all, but never has been used for active package and updates install over the net (as far as I know at least). Boot time optimization: probably the most innocent and error prone of all :-). Is important on laptops/notebooks/netbooks and for regular people who is hasty to go nowhere fast. The boundary between luxury/vanity and real world need is difficult for this one. Minimalistic User Friendly Yast Interface/Plug&Play Background Facilities: A simple user interface common tasks oriented, Homer Simpson friendly user interface, with a background demon service that automatically runs when new hardware is connected so the install of modules and binary blobs is pretty much automatic and the common user is relieved from thinking too much. Linux distributions in general have suffered the stigma of "user unfriedliness". A perception that anything just requires too much time and pain to get to work that is not worth the trouble. The non-technical user need certain hand holding and emotional reassurance that things are going to work or a explicit explanation of why it does not work. Not some cryptic message /var/log/messages. Also application sofware needed to work with the hardware should be installed if possible/needed. Well this is a less geeky idea, but a needed one as well as potentially controversial. I have other ideas, but lets see this ones for the moment. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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