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From: Birger Kollstrand <birger.kollstrand(a)googlemail.com>
Date: 2009/3/5
Subject: Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Roadmap
To: Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)novell.com>
2009/3/5 Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)novell.com>:
> So, what we're proposing is this -- the next openSUSE release in November
> 2009, with the next releases in July 2010, March 2011, and so forth:
>
> November 2009: "Fichte" 11.2
> July 2010: "Rousseau" 11.3
> March 2011: "Voltaire" 12.0
> November 2011: "Lessing" 12.1
>
> This gives us a single release in 2009 and 2010, and two releases in 2011. The
> version names and numbers may change, of course.
I think this is not to bad. It is predictabla and understandable.
I hope this can also help in "Home user" focus.
To get testing to work even better, please consider having a special
repository for styable applications. Factory is the hole stuff, but
something around the idea for "RollingRelease"
http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2009#Automatic_package_approval_and_m…
might help a lot in testing.
I can dedicate a machie to running Factory, but I can dedicate 5
machines to have automatic updates/upgrades of applications.
Birger
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On Tuesday 03 March 2009 07:45:38 am Vincent Untz wrote:
> Le lundi 02 mars 2009, à 10:08 -0600, Rajko M. a écrit :
> > This was meant as answer on one post on opensuse(a)opensuse.org mail list,
> > but discussion probably suits better here, or marketing list.
>
> [...]
>
> > What do you think?
>
> I think I'm missing the background (which is likely the post on
> opensuse(a)opensuse.org) because, well, I'm not quite what feedback you'd
> like to have :-) Can you elaborate more on what's the issue that is
> being discussed?
Sorry :-)
It is one of threads that was off topic for the opensuse(a)opensuse.org and went
zig-zag.
This is where it starts:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-03/msg00002.html
= Issue =
The issue that should be discussed is why after 3.5 years since openSUSE
exists, Ubuntu is still growing faster than anybody else. What they do that we
don't. Martin's answer has some valid points. We proclaimed as a goal "the
most useful Linux" but what that means is defined just as much as "user
friendly". What groups of people are happy with it.
= Numbers =
I believe in numbers, but my statistics skills are basic, so I
need serious help there, with ideas how to organize data collection as
permanent feedback.
There is a lot of user feedback in mail lists and forum, but the best that we
have from that is "there was a lot of complains on <name feature>". There is
no numbers behind "a lot" and even worse there is no positive feedback backed
with numbers.
If you add ubuntu.com and fedoraproject.org in Traffic History Graph on:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/opensuse.org
than it is obvious that opensuse.org + fedoraproject.org is on par with
Ubuntu, which suggests one possible approach, that, I'm sure, will benefit
users of both, but it is not the only approach.
= Goal =
The goal is to give openSUSE numerical feedback, that we and upstream projects
can use to decide what to work on. Mentioned links can give us measure how
good we are, but we need more details.
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the input and comments so far on the openSUSE Trademark
Guidelines. As mentioned when announced, we don't believe that this is
the final word on the guidelines - we expected feedback and to need to
make changes to the guidelines. To continue the discussion, we've
added some pages to the wiki for changes.
We've put up the guidelines on the wiki here:
http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines
And a page for suggested changes here:
http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines_v2
Finally, we also have a page to add use cases where the current
guidelines may be either unclear or too restrictive. (Or, not
restrictive enough...). If you have use cases / examples, please add
here: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines_use_cases
Discussion is encouraged on the lists, but we can't guarantee it will
be collated when we revise the guidelines - so please add to the wiki
if there's something that needs to be changed. Thanks!
Best,
Zonker
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I just saw some comments that a new Google Summer of Code'2009
(http://code.google.com/soc) will be accepting project proposals
in a week or so.
I consider last year's participation great and would like to get your feedback
for this year:
* Shall we participate again?
* Already anybody volunteering as tutor?
* Who will organise GSOC for openSUSE?
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This was meant as answer on one post on opensuse(a)opensuse.org mail list, but
discussion probably suits better here, or marketing list.
The problem are first time users, both Linux and openSUSE.
They don't have some habits we have, and even for modestly experienced
openSUSE users is not common to take long look around before update or
installation of new version of software. It is prudent to do so, but it takes
time and people don't do that very often.
Those comming from mainstream OS want to go away from problems, any kind of
problems: BSOD, malware, lack of control over own computer, everlasting
financial drainage, and so on.
They make a step in unknown and what they see first is better to be good. When
new solution appear the same as the one that they want to leave, they will
stick with the old one, it saves learning. That is where Ubuntu makes
numbers.
According to distrowatch.com whatever they do makes difference.
See:
Views Diff to next
1 Ubuntu 2328> 614
2 openSUSE 1714= 156
3 Mint 1558> 197
4 Fedora 1361> 95
5 Debian 1266< 224
6 Mandriva 1042>
Legend:
> up
= equal
< down
I'm aware that Distrowatch counts clicks on links, but that tells how many
people looks for information on certain distro. Those at the top will get
more clicks from casual visitors, but I don't expect that there is many of
them. It could be considered as view from Linux user, that wants to see what
else is out there, stand point.
The ranks on Alexa are windows users perspective:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/distrowatch.comhttp://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/opensuse.orghttp://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/ubuntu.com
What do you think?
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For everyone's information, and not just on -buildservice :)
- -------- Original Message --------
From: Adrian Schröter <adrian(a)suse.de>
To: opensuse-buildservice(a)opensuse.org
Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] broken signing in the last 24h hours
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:14:11 +0100
JFYI,
our sign host broke down (harddisc error, blocking raid IO) somewhen on
saturday. It is repaired now, but the OBS package building was very slow
for a while and it published also some unsigned packages and repos.
However, everything is fixed again, all current running builds should
get signed again.
bye
adrian
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Hi all, i was told to post my problems with libpulse here as some kind
of confirmation data, on the libpulse problems
first up: Media Players
-sound in kaffine is up to 2 seconds out of sync with video.
-Mplayer becomes really choppy as its constantly waiting for the sound
to catch up this is also true for vlc.
-Amarok plays very rarely as its playing "non-perfect" mp3's.
removing libpulse and using libxine instead solves these problems
secondly : Dependencies
- there are tones of apps that have no relation to libpulse are somehow
dependant on libpulse, for instance why does a weather widget for KDE4.2
need libpulse.
-Mplayer was linked against liubpulse so will not run when libpulse is
removed but mplayer uses ffmpeg for its codecs so being linked against
libpulse seems like unnecessary (ended up building mplayer by hand from
svn).
- and many apps that say they need libpulse, but run fine without it
when that dependency is ignored, but as i pointed out some apps do not
run without lib pulse but could.
thirdly: my 2 cents
-libpulse should not be a linked app, any app should be able to run
without it, so those like myself who prefer those that are mature and
work like xine can use xine without the hindrance of libpulse, also
since libpulse is a Gnome framework, why is it being forced on KDE4.2
users when the xine phonem plugin runs with no troubles at all, forcing
libpulse on everything does not make opensuse the "most usable distro".
anyway i hope this helps to sort out the libpulse problems
I am currently running:
-opensuse11.1
-KDE4.2:factory
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On Monday, 2009-03-02 at 11:45 +1100, Michael Fox wrote:
Please, remember to post to the list, not in private.
> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 01:18 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, 2009-03-02 at 10:17 +1100, Michael Fox wrote:
>>
>>> secondly : Dependencies
>>> - there are tones of apps that have no relation to libpulse are somehow
>>> dependant on libpulse, for instance why does a weather widget for KDE4.2
>>> need libpulse.
>>
>> You can simply remove libpulse, while leaving the lib. The lib is needed
>> because applications are linked to it, thus the dependencies.
>>
>
> no as its lib thats the problem, why do you think i refered to it as
> libpulse instead of pulse audio ;)
I don't follow you.
What I mean is that you can remove everything related to pulse audio,
while leaving the libpulse library in place, because it would break
dependencies.
This is common for several subsystems in linux: there is a library linked
by many applications, and thus has to be mandatorily installed, and then
there is the service, daemon, apps, etc, that can be uninstalled, and that
provide that susbsystem.
So, you can uninstall pulse audio, but not the linked library.
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