Hi,
can I suggest that the openSuSE project add to their major release launch
instructions updating wikipedia to reflect the new release. AS an example
of an old page I'd give
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions
David
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Helping hands update:
* Some experts already engaged:
- Lakhil and Abharath will do Evolution
- Thorsten and Rodo will do openOffice
- hpj will do GDM
- First session about basic setup (bluetooth, 3g cards, ...)
- Next Friday, 2 hour Helping Hands Grand Opening, covering misc
getting started topics (14:30 UTC)
Wiki cleanup:
* suseROCKs started some cleanup on the wiki
* Need volunteers to review pages, there are a lot, bad organized
AI: suseROCKS to announce and prepare wiki day
11.1 features
* A few ideas have been added to http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1
* July 4th deadline to add features there
* Then, we'll start organizing to get interested people to test /
develop / document
Bug triage:
* http://en.opensuse.org/User:Jproseve/TriageProposal
* Priorities assigned to bugs, this will drive the bug fixing order
AI master update:
*
Build service repo:
* New repo organization (KDE will use similar setup)
* G:STABLE is now empty, but will be populated with GNOME packages from
11.0
* G:Factory for ongoing development/packaging
How to set up a process of performance measurement:
* Interest in developing coprehensive wiki pages for benchmarking /
debugging / performance steps we can give our users so they can offer
up more sound information on issues
* bootchart / debugging tools
* A script to collect information for good bug submission
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Hi all,
We are here in Jakarta Indonesia (GMT+7) now on June 19, 2008. This
morning I've checked out the countdown counter on
http://www.opensuse.or.id and find out the counter display T-14. What
is T-14 stand for ?
Is this related with Pascal Bleser noticed last day about the words
for "openSUSE 11.0 is now available, download now !" or something like
that ?
I've checked http://en.opensuse.org/Countdown also and found similar
display (yes, of course, because the first link are taken content from
the second :-D )
I don't mention about download link. I just curious about the words
displayed on the count down. T-14 = Thanks in Advance ?
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Hi,
do I count wrong or the counter?
The counter will count down today to 1 and tomorrow to 0. When it will be down
to zero the world still needs to wait another day till openSUSE 11.0 release.
Assuming I count correctly we should add one day to be down to zero on release
day and not one day erlier, shouldn't we?
Best
Michael
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Hi,
After the discussion from last month around the discontinued distribution
handling, here's a proposal how to handle them in future.
"Discontinued distributions" are the distributions, which receive no regular
security updates anymore.
These distributions stay accessible below DISCONTINUED name space. This means
SUSE:SL-10.0 is accessible as DISCONTINUED:SUSE:SL-10.0 for example.
We have currently the following distributions below DISCONTINUED names space:
SUSE Linux 10.0
SUSE Linux 10.1
Fedora 6
Mandriva 2006
We will remove the official projects and all repositories building against
them in two weeks (if we are not forced to do it earlier due to disc storage
problems).
The official 10.1 ftp tree from ftp.opensuse.org will get removed end of the
year.
If you want to keep building against these, you need to modify your project
configuration replacing the project name of the path tag.
Please keep in mind that the quota system will disable your whole project in
case you reach quota setting.
Also important, using discontinued distro means that:
* Installing a package might not be possible because dependencies can not get
solved (due to the fact that distro installation repo disappeared from the
servers as well)
* Using the repositories should not be done from a system connected to the
internet.
thanks
adrian
PS: we are again at > 95% disk usage, we will increase the disk space again,
but we should remove all not necessary repositories to keep our resource for
the really often downloaded stuff. Thanks a lot for your help.
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email: adrian(a)suse.de
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I have been in the IRC channel on freenode now for a few days, and I am
utterly appalled.
By FreeNode naming conventions #opensuse (which forwards to #suse) is an
official project channel. I am starting to see why OpenSUSE is lacking users,
the surrounding community is outright rude. The project needs to understand
that such places are exactly where people first encounter Novell and OpenSUSE
on a personal basis.
While I understand statements made do not represent Novell, or OpenSUSE at
all, the general mood in the channel has turned me away repeatedly in the
past, and it will do again if nothing is done.
I have used Linux for almost 10 years, people all over IRC talk bad about
#debian, but they are not even half as bad as #opensuse. I would suggest
contacting FreeNode and having #opensuse and #suse separated and started
again, it's really appalling.
OpenSUSE is technically very good, but the personal interactions with the
community is what people judge a Linux distro on, look at Ubuntu, it's buggy
as anything, nothing at all special about the distro, yet their channel
regularly has 1500 people. Ask yourself why... it's because of the community.
If nothing changes, OpenSUSE will never be a popular project, and I seem to
recall that being a stated goal?
If you don't know what this is about, I challenge anyone reading to just hang
out in #opensuse for a few days, look at the way the project is represented
there. I'm not sure if OpenSUSE has a community board or anything that is
intended to mediate this sort of thing, but I think it's a serious mistake to
overlook this.
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So, I'm constantly hearing complaints about 1-click. Am I the only
one? Should the 1 click process be shortened?
Stephen
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On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 11:17 -0300, Druid wrote:
> I'm sorry, Vincent, but how does it help to come here in this list and
> tell people to change a thing, like the previous people who did it
> were completely idiots with no understanding of nothing? Isn't that
> someway offensive?
That wasn't his point. He didn't say anything about you comment with
regards to the "1 click" name change. His point was you didn't need to
make the gnome comment. And quite frankly I agree. You could have very
well come in and stated that you felt that this was something that you
felt didn't need to be changed and express you reasons why. You didn't
need to come in and and make the generalization about gnome users.
Joe Harmon
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Hi,
As posted on opensuse-marketing (see
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2008-06/msg00026.html for
all the details), I'm currently traveling and unable to spend any
significant time on the computer (with no access to 11.0), so I'm
unable to write any more sneak peeks for 11.0.
So....if you wanna help get involved with marketing just in time
before the openSUSE 11.0 release, this is a really great way to get
started! The articles are quite widely read and are a great way of
promoting the distribution release, hyping it up, and getting to know
features and developers a little better.
If you think that you'd be able to write one of the articles (and of
course you will get a lot of help here from the news.opensuse.org
editors), then just drop a note on the -marketing mailing list! Note
that we are very close to the release now so time is of the essence.
Kind thoughts,
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* Promoting 11.0 (vuntz / hobbsc)
- hobbsc and vuntz started promotion blog entries, we should do all the
same
- A series of articles about user-friendly specific 11.0 stuff
+ new features (pulseaudio, randr1.2, zypper, packagekit
+ more high-level stuff, like 'how to use os as media center',
'business desktop (word processing, etc)', etc
+ stuff for developers to grow the developers base
+ what about looking for help with other distros for linux-generic
stuff (mostly everything is just linux, not specific to a distro)
- Boxed set delivery is free
- Someone wants to write a sneak peeks article for 11.0?
AI: suseROCKs to create http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/TopicstoWrite
* Helping Hands Launch (suseROCKs)
- http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos created, please review
- We need people to submit topics and volunteer to be a Helping Hands
expert
- Suggest ideas & enlist at http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos/HelpingHandsTopics
* Nominating Bug-X for Maintenance Updates (jpr)
- Tag potential updates with gnome-update keyword
- Developers, ask Anja for a SWAMP-ID
* Use bugzilla instead of wiki for AI's (rodrigo / vuntz)
- People forget too easily their AIs on the wiki, so why not use bugzilla?
- Used for tracking things, so makes sense, would just need a new AI
component, eg
- We need some AI master to nag constantly people about their AIs, or
some automatic application that reminds people before the AIs reach
their timeline
AI: rodrigo to mail henne for creating products/components
AI: captain_magnus to become the AI master
* Bug Triage Policy (jpr)
- Bug tagging was quite successful for 11.0, helped us focus on user
impact rather than technical severity
- More aspects to bug handling inconsistent, proposal to fix them:
+ http://en.opensuse.org/User:Jproseve/TriageProposal
+ Attempts to better define severities
+ It moves to priority rather than severity as the first order
driver of what gets fixed
+ It pushes for being better citizens upstream with bug filing
in bugzilla.gnome.org and other upstream bugzilla
+ it attempts to clearly define a triage process some that
technical but not necessarily developers can easily perform it
in a repeatable manner
- Proposal sent to the KDE team also
* Start discussing 11.1 features (vuntz)
- http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1 <- please review, still has
items already done for 11.0
- We need people to think hard about what they want for 11.1
* Agenda for upcoming meeting (casualprogrammer)
- Helping hands update (suseROCKs)
- 11.1 features
- Bug triage
- AI master update
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