April 2007 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Unknown hardware? Let me have a look...
by Magnus Boman 01 May '07

01 May '07

Hello all! I would like to put forward an idea that I have, which could simplify the life for Linux users... The concept is simple, but the implementation is probably not :-/ Today, when I install openSUSE on my machine, it will detect most of my hardware just fine. But there are some hardware that could not be identified properly, for instance my monitors. What I would like to see, is that during the install, some magic is built in that can automatically (after the user approves) go out to the internet to see if there are any drivers for the specific hardware. There should also be an daemon running on the machine, that detects when new hardware has been attached and there are no available drivers for it. It should then suggest that it can look it up on the internet. If a driver is found, it should be downloaded and installed onto the system. The hosting website should also be able to keep track of what sort of hardware that has not been properly identified so that the next version of the distro can include them. For something like a monitor, it could be as simple as letting users add the needed mode lines etc to the website and it would be downloaded and put into SaX2's database. I think it would also be good if that same website would know about free proprietary (but re-distributable) drivers and let the user select whether he wants to download them or not. We currently have this in the "Desktop Effects" utility, but users might want to have the driver for other purposes than a 3D Desktop. Does anyone think that this would be a good idea and if so, how should we proceed? Thanks, Magnus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Daylight Savings Time Changes in New Zealand
by Jim Pye 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

Guys Just to let you know that it has been announced that the NZ Govt has announced that the New Zealand Daylight Savings time is being extended for the 2007-2008 summer season. Clocks will go forward an hour a week earlier than usual - on the last Sunday in September- and back an hour on the first Sunday in April. Please check out: http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Daylight-Saving-Dayl… or shorter form: http://tinyurl.com/3alozw For the official details. Cheers Jim -- Jim Pye PyeNet Universal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Testing instlux for OpenSuSE10.3
by Jordi Massaguer 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

Daniel and Sascha, I have upload your changes into svn. However, I am not able to compile them with the nsis. The problem is that I can not get the nsis system plugin, as at the wiki pages says that it is included in the latest nsis release. However, it is not included at the linux release. Do you think you could send me the files I need or an idea how to manage that? Again, thank you very much! jordi ----- Mensaje original ---- De: Daniel Gollub <dgollub(a)suse.de> Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org CC: ssommer(a)suse.de Enviado: domingo, 29 de abril, 2007 14:51:28 Asunto: Re: [opensuse-project] Testing instlux for OpenSuSE10.3 On Tuesday 24 April 2007 11:05:16 Jordi Massaguer i Pla wrote: > I am asking you some testing and feedback about it. You can download the > latest builds from: > > http://instlux.sourceforge.net/testing_builds/ Hi Jordi, Sascha and me have done some basic testing of your test builds. instlux works quite well so far. We can also verify that it is working for SATA harddisks. We discovered only some minor issues: #1 Find Windows partion find --set-root /autoexec.bat This would break on several windows installation on different partions. Even on windows installation which don't have a "autoexec.bat" file in place. (At least one box i tested with a vendor customized Windows XP doesn't have one.) We enhanced your nsis script so it create a "stamp file" to mark the Window partition which triggered the instlux installation: find --set-root /instlux-hitme.txt ... should be very unique :) (Feel free to rename the file in something more unique) #2 Translations Updated the German translation ... not quite sure about the quality of the other translations. Maybe you should make a call for proof reading. #3 Use system screen resolution and selected language instlux should now start the installation in the user chosen language. The installation system gets booted with vga=0xXXX parameter and splash=silent. The screen resolution from the Windows installation is used to determine the vga value. For some reason the splash screen is not working .. but i guess your initrd is customized and not the original one - right? The nsis system plugin is required to get the system resolution http://nsis.sourceforge.net/System_plug-in TODO: Some languages aren't handled yet in the nsis script. #4 instlux grub - timeout 0 The grub of instlux boots know the installation immediately. No need to bother the user two times with different boot managers. #5 Check minimum amount of RAM / Harddisk free space (TODO) For the network installation builds instlux should check if the minimum amount of RAM is avaliable. If not instlux should give a warning. Maybe we could do something similar to check if enough harddisk space is left and give warnings. #6 make_instlux.py changes Don't call makensis with absolute path, my version is very very customized. Maybe we should provide a nsis package with all the required plugins in the oSBS. All changes are attachted as patch from the latest revision of SVN. I hope you could commit them upstream. Beside the background color change to #7ac142 this should be still distribution independent... best regards, Daniel Index: translations/german/license_german.txt =================================================================== --- translations/german/license_german.txt (revision 18) +++ translations/german/license_german.txt (working copy) @@ -2,7 +2,9 @@ Autor: Jordi Massaguer Pla Mitwirkende: -Die Leute, die hier verzeichnet werden, haben zum instlux, entweder durch Code beigetragen, indem sie Rückgespräch sendeten oder indem sie förderten. Wenn du denkst, solltest du hier verzeichnet werden, schreibst ein email zu jordimassaguerpla(a)yahoo.es. + +Folgende Personen haben durch Code, Rücksprachen oder Förderungen zu instlux beigetragen. +Wenn Sie ebenfalls als Beigetragender erwähnt werden möchten, schreiben Sie eine E-Mail an jordimassaguerpla(a)yahoo.es. LIST_OF_CONTRIBUTORS Deutsche Übersetzung der Index: src/instlux_template_en.nsi =================================================================== --- src/instlux_template_en.nsi (revision 18) +++ src/instlux_template_en.nsi (working copy) @@ -59,8 +59,9 @@ !include FileFunc.nsh ; GetRoot / un.GetRoot !insertmacro GetRoot !insertmacro un.GetRoot - BGGradient f8e409 + BGGradient 7ac142 + !define MUI_ICON "instlux.ico" !define MUI_UNICON "instlux.ico" !define MUI_HEADERIMAGE @@ -100,6 +101,9 @@ var c var ConfigSYS var MenuLSTFile +var HitMeFile +var Resolution +var LangParam Function .onInit # the plugins dir is automatically deleted when the installer exits @@ -116,6 +120,7 @@ Pop $0 ; $0 has '1' if the user closed the splash screen early, ; '0' if everything closed normally, and '-1' if some error occurred. !insertmacro MUI_LANGDLL_DISPLAY + FunctionEnd @@ -171,10 +176,79 @@ lbl_Common: + FileOpen $HitMeFile $c\instlux_hitme.txt a + FileWrite $HitMeFile "This file was created by instlux." + FileSeek $HitMeFile 0 END + FileClose $HitMeFile + +# TODO add all avaliable languages + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_ENGLISH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "en" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_DUTCH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "da" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_FRENCH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "fr" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_GERMAN} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "de" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_KOREAN} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "cr" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_RUSSIAN} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "ru" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_SPANISH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "es" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_SWEDISH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "se" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_TRADCHINESE} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "zh_TW" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_SIMPCHINESE} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "zh_CN" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_SLOVAK} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "sk" + + + + # http://nsis.sourceforge.net/System_plug-in <--- requires + System::Call 'user32::GetSystemMetrics(i 0) i .r0' + System::Call 'user32::GetSystemMetrics(i 1) i .r1' + + + + # 64k | 0x311 0x314 0x317 0x31A + IntCmp $0 640 is640 isUnknow 0 + IntCmp $0 800 is800 + IntCmp $0 1024 is1024 + IntCmp $0 1280 is1280 0 is1280 + + isUnknow: + StrCpy $Resolution "normal" + Goto writeMenu + + is640: + StrCpy $Resolution "0x311" + Goto writeMenu + + is800: + StrCpy $Resolution "0x314" + Goto writeMenu + + is1024: + StrCpy $Resolution "0x317" + Goto writeMenu + + is1280: + StrCpy $Resolution "0x31A" + Goto writeMenu + + + writeMenu: + + FileOpen $MenuLSTFile $c\menu.lst a + FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "hiddenmenu $\r$\n" + FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "timeout 0 $\r$\n" FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "title MENU_TITLE $\r$\n" - FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "find --set-root /autoexec.bat$\r$\n" - FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "kernel /distros/KERNEL KRNL_APPEND$\r$\n" + FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "find --set-root /instlux_hitme.txt$\r$\n" + FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "kernel /distros/KERNEL KRNL_APPEND lang=$LangParam vga=$Resolution splash=silent$\r$\n" FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "initrd /distros/DRIVERS$\r$\n" FileSeek $MenuLSTFile 0 END FileClose $MenuLSTFile @@ -221,6 +295,7 @@ lbl_Finish: RMDir /REBOOTOK /r "$c\distros\OUTPATH" Delete /REBOOTOK "$c\menu.lst" + Delete /REBOOTOK "$c\instlux_hitme.txt" Delete /REBOOTOK "$SMSTARTUP\instlux-uninst.exe" SectionEnd Index: make_instlux.py =================================================================== --- make_instlux.py (revision 18) +++ make_instlux.py (working copy) @@ -27,7 +27,7 @@ build = "build" #nsis_bin = '"c:\Program Files\NSIS\makensis.exe"' -nsis_bin = '"/usr/bin/makensis"' +nsis_bin = '"makensis"' instlux_ico = "instlux.ico" instlux_logo = "instlux_logo.bmp" grub4dos = ["grldr","grub.exe"] ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. 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Re: [opensuse-project] Testing instlux for OpenSuSE10.3
by Jordi Massaguer 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

danke schön!! jordi ----- Mensaje original ---- De: Daniel Gollub <dgollub(a)suse.de> Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org CC: ssommer(a)suse.de Enviado: domingo, 29 de abril, 2007 14:51:28 Asunto: Re: [opensuse-project] Testing instlux for OpenSuSE10.3 On Tuesday 24 April 2007 11:05:16 Jordi Massaguer i Pla wrote: > I am asking you some testing and feedback about it. You can download the > latest builds from: > > http://instlux.sourceforge.net/testing_builds/ Hi Jordi, Sascha and me have done some basic testing of your test builds. instlux works quite well so far. We can also verify that it is working for SATA harddisks. We discovered only some minor issues: #1 Find Windows partion find --set-root /autoexec.bat This would break on several windows installation on different partions. Even on windows installation which don't have a "autoexec.bat" file in place. (At least one box i tested with a vendor customized Windows XP doesn't have one.) We enhanced your nsis script so it create a "stamp file" to mark the Window partition which triggered the instlux installation: find --set-root /instlux-hitme.txt ... should be very unique :) (Feel free to rename the file in something more unique) #2 Translations Updated the German translation ... not quite sure about the quality of the other translations. Maybe you should make a call for proof reading. #3 Use system screen resolution and selected language instlux should now start the installation in the user chosen language. The installation system gets booted with vga=0xXXX parameter and splash=silent. The screen resolution from the Windows installation is used to determine the vga value. For some reason the splash screen is not working .. but i guess your initrd is customized and not the original one - right? The nsis system plugin is required to get the system resolution http://nsis.sourceforge.net/System_plug-in TODO: Some languages aren't handled yet in the nsis script. #4 instlux grub - timeout 0 The grub of instlux boots know the installation immediately. No need to bother the user two times with different boot managers. #5 Check minimum amount of RAM / Harddisk free space (TODO) For the network installation builds instlux should check if the minimum amount of RAM is avaliable. If not instlux should give a warning. Maybe we could do something similar to check if enough harddisk space is left and give warnings. #6 make_instlux.py changes Don't call makensis with absolute path, my version is very very customized. Maybe we should provide a nsis package with all the required plugins in the oSBS. All changes are attachted as patch from the latest revision of SVN. I hope you could commit them upstream. Beside the background color change to #7ac142 this should be still distribution independent... best regards, Daniel Index: translations/german/license_german.txt =================================================================== --- translations/german/license_german.txt (revision 18) +++ translations/german/license_german.txt (working copy) @@ -2,7 +2,9 @@ Autor: Jordi Massaguer Pla Mitwirkende: -Die Leute, die hier verzeichnet werden, haben zum instlux, entweder durch Code beigetragen, indem sie Rückgespräch sendeten oder indem sie förderten. Wenn du denkst, solltest du hier verzeichnet werden, schreibst ein email zu jordimassaguerpla(a)yahoo.es. + +Folgende Personen haben durch Code, Rücksprachen oder Förderungen zu instlux beigetragen. +Wenn Sie ebenfalls als Beigetragender erwähnt werden möchten, schreiben Sie eine E-Mail an jordimassaguerpla(a)yahoo.es. LIST_OF_CONTRIBUTORS Deutsche Übersetzung der Index: src/instlux_template_en.nsi =================================================================== --- src/instlux_template_en.nsi (revision 18) +++ src/instlux_template_en.nsi (working copy) @@ -59,8 +59,9 @@ !include FileFunc.nsh ; GetRoot / un.GetRoot !insertmacro GetRoot !insertmacro un.GetRoot - BGGradient f8e409 + BGGradient 7ac142 + !define MUI_ICON "instlux.ico" !define MUI_UNICON "instlux.ico" !define MUI_HEADERIMAGE @@ -100,6 +101,9 @@ var c var ConfigSYS var MenuLSTFile +var HitMeFile +var Resolution +var LangParam Function .onInit # the plugins dir is automatically deleted when the installer exits @@ -116,6 +120,7 @@ Pop $0 ; $0 has '1' if the user closed the splash screen early, ; '0' if everything closed normally, and '-1' if some error occurred. !insertmacro MUI_LANGDLL_DISPLAY + FunctionEnd @@ -171,10 +176,79 @@ lbl_Common: + FileOpen $HitMeFile $c\instlux_hitme.txt a + FileWrite $HitMeFile "This file was created by instlux." + FileSeek $HitMeFile 0 END + FileClose $HitMeFile + +# TODO add all avaliable languages + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_ENGLISH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "en" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_DUTCH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "da" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_FRENCH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "fr" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_GERMAN} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "de" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_KOREAN} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "cr" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_RUSSIAN} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "ru" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_SPANISH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "es" + StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_SWEDISH} 0 +2 + StrCpy $LangParam "se" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_TRADCHINESE} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "zh_TW" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_SIMPCHINESE} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "zh_CN" +# StrCmp $LANGUAGE ${LANG_SLOVAK} 0 +2 +# StrCpy $LangParam "sk" + + + + # http://nsis.sourceforge.net/System_plug-in <--- requires + System::Call 'user32::GetSystemMetrics(i 0) i .r0' + System::Call 'user32::GetSystemMetrics(i 1) i .r1' + + + + # 64k | 0x311 0x314 0x317 0x31A + IntCmp $0 640 is640 isUnknow 0 + IntCmp $0 800 is800 + IntCmp $0 1024 is1024 + IntCmp $0 1280 is1280 0 is1280 + + isUnknow: + StrCpy $Resolution "normal" + Goto writeMenu + + is640: + StrCpy $Resolution "0x311" + Goto writeMenu + + is800: + StrCpy $Resolution "0x314" + Goto writeMenu + + is1024: + StrCpy $Resolution "0x317" + Goto writeMenu + + is1280: + StrCpy $Resolution "0x31A" + Goto writeMenu + + + writeMenu: + + FileOpen $MenuLSTFile $c\menu.lst a + FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "hiddenmenu $\r$\n" + FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "timeout 0 $\r$\n" FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "title MENU_TITLE $\r$\n" - FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "find --set-root /autoexec.bat$\r$\n" - FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "kernel /distros/KERNEL KRNL_APPEND$\r$\n" + FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "find --set-root /instlux_hitme.txt$\r$\n" + FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "kernel /distros/KERNEL KRNL_APPEND lang=$LangParam vga=$Resolution splash=silent$\r$\n" FileWrite $MenuLSTFile "initrd /distros/DRIVERS$\r$\n" FileSeek $MenuLSTFile 0 END FileClose $MenuLSTFile @@ -221,6 +295,7 @@ lbl_Finish: RMDir /REBOOTOK /r "$c\distros\OUTPATH" Delete /REBOOTOK "$c\menu.lst" + Delete /REBOOTOK "$c\instlux_hitme.txt" Delete /REBOOTOK "$SMSTARTUP\instlux-uninst.exe" SectionEnd Index: make_instlux.py =================================================================== --- make_instlux.py (revision 18) +++ make_instlux.py (working copy) @@ -27,7 +27,7 @@ build = "build" #nsis_bin = '"c:\Program Files\NSIS\makensis.exe"' -nsis_bin = '"/usr/bin/makensis"' +nsis_bin = '"makensis"' instlux_ico = "instlux.ico" instlux_logo = "instlux_logo.bmp" grub4dos = ["grldr","grub.exe"] ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. 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[opensuse-project] Feature/Goal tracking using FATE for openSUSE
by Francis Giannaros 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

So this was discussed during the Status Meeting and now it's here for a broader discussion. :) It was suggested that a feature/goal tracking tool (FATE) be adopted by openSUSE and made public (bug .223290). There are a few reasons for this: * This is one of the cases of the wiki being misused for such a thing, when it's not ideal. Several projects currently use the wiki for goal tracking. While it's absolutely awesome thath this stuff is public so that many of us can take a look through, it may not be ideal. Some examples: Zypp, YaST, KIWI <http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI/Todo>, UX, Build Service etc. * Things are more open to the community; openSUSE does use FATE currently, but it's Novell's one only open to employees. Current cons are that it would really take quite some time/effort to put up. So, the question is: would people in other projects find it useful (instead of having to use the wiki) to have this, and do you think it is a good idea? Regards, -- Francis Giannaros Web: http://francis.giannaros.org IRC: apokryphos on irc.freenode.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Testing instlux for OpenSuSE10.3
by Jordi Massaguer i Pla 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

Dear all, As agreed during the FOSDEM07, work has been done in order to make instlux be part of the OpenSuSE10.3. Also, this work has been reported on the opensuse-project list. Now, instlux suports OpenSuSE10.3 Alpha 3, both installation medias (CDROM and internet) and both architectures (i386 and x86_64). I am asking you some testing and feedback about it. You can download the latest builds from: http://instlux.sourceforge.net/testing_builds/ Your help will be appreciated. thanks, jordi massaguer i pla --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Package Search and Simple Install status report
by Benji Weber 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

Greetings all, I thought I'd send an email out summarising some of the things I have been working on recently, to obtain some feedback, and maybe even some help. = Package Search = - This is back up for the time being, although I am not confident of it staying up for long, if it's down or slow when you read this email I apologise. adrianS has kindly offered to help with hosting when they have some more resources. - Set up a design page at http://en.opensuse.org/PKGSearch-design - Having spent some time reviewing how people were trying to use the search, I found a large proportion were searching for phrases, not just package names/contents. Therefore I made the package summaries searchable too. eg you could find konversation now with: http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=kde+irc+client or http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=bin%2Fkonversation or http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=konversation - There was a performance problem with people searching for very common and short terms such as "qt" or "kde", this should be fixed now. - I've made some slight modifications to the design based on some suggestions. - I've been working on improving the performance of the trawler, I can now from a clean database locate, download, parse, index the metadata for the main official/community & build service repositories in under half an hour on my desktop. (That's ~900 repositories, ~110,000 packages including summaries/descriptions, ~16,000,000 files), incremental updates where only some repositories have changed are much faster. - Integration with the simple software installation (explained below) that I've been proposing, with "Install now" links on http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index-test.jsp = Simple Software Installation = The vast majority of the questions we face when there are not serious things wrong with the distribution are related to issues such as installation of third party software, multimedia codecs etc. Explaining to new users the concept of package repositories, how to add these, and subsequently install software is not trivial. Furthermore, users should not be forced to grasp these concepts in order to easily install software, in my opinion. To solve this we could have a simple file handler that can handle links in web pages or files on distributable media which automates the process of adding repositories and installing software. - I've set up a wiki page outlining the concept at http://en.opensuse.org/MetaPackage-design - I've created a functional prototype yast module, Pascal has kindly made a package which you can try at: http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/mp/yast2-mpp-0.0-0.suse102.noarch.rpm After installing this you can try out some demo uses at http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/test.html The "install now" links on http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index-test.jsp Currently the above will only work with konqueror, unless you create the associations manually for firefox/opera in the same way as they are configured in konqueror (this is possible, but difficult to package without having the configuration in the upstream distribution package) Martin Schandler is creating a demo page to show how this could be used to simplify codec installation, for now hopefully you can use your imagination. - In the above package there is also a demo yast client to the search service, you can run with "/sbin/YaST2 PackageSearch" as a normal user, and search for and install packages from the build service in the same way as the "Install now" links on the webpin page. = What I would like help with = - Please could people try out the demo prototype metapackage handler described above, and comment on the concept. - I know ycp only a little, and perl not at all, so if someone could fix the above into a releasable quality that would be awesome. (source is also at http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/mp) = Future = - Search service joint hosting Novell/Community, adrianS is looking into this. - Migration of the frontend to the search to opensuse-community.org - Fix ycp/perl to a releasable state. (someone who knows what they're doing) - Improve the "Install now" functionality of the search service, by calculating the repositories each package depends on (it isn't always just the one the package is located in). I am currently investigating either a simple method looking at the repository dependencies in the build service and manual setup for repositories outside the build service, and a far more complicated method using the rpm requires & depends. - Integration with new build service features such as statistics, using the search service statistics to improve results. - Using search service to enrich client side software. That's all I can think of for now. _ Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Feedback for openSUSE 10.2 and preparing for 10.3
by Andreas Jaeger 27 Apr '07

27 Apr '07

We've briefly discussed during the last IRC meeting about what went bad in 10.2 and how we can do this better for future products, especially 10.3. I'm mainly interested in process feedback - and not on feedback that package x is broken (unless that shows a process problem). So, let's discuss what we can do better for our next distro, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj(a)suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] bugstatus/release - reply to Scott Couston
by Andreas Jaeger 25 Apr '07

25 Apr '07

Scott asked on http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Current the following: > It seems apparent from the number bugs without a resolution still exist > in versions 10,0-10,2. A very small number of bugs are closed as Fixed > in 10,3. Looking at the sheer number of open bugs in 10,0-10,2 it would > appear that release of a new version only increases functionality at the > expense of closing and fixing bugs. Can you tell me/us under what Yes, and this is a problem. The challenge is that some of the bugs are bugs in the upstream packages and we cannot fix all of these ourselves. I agree that we're not doing a good enough job in reacting to bugs and this is on my agenda to change. > situation/timetable you use to determine the tooling-up for a new > version and what constitutes a RC - given the number of current > bugs. Forgive me I am not offering criticism at all, however Novel's Q.A > compliance would appear at odds with current release pattern of aprox 6 > months. Due to my GMT +10 time difference I will be unable to attend the > session and trust that a .PDF may be available afterwards. Many Thanks > for your time. For the final release candidate, the goal is to ship without any blockers and we reached that the last releases. For the alphas, we do basic testing that it installs - but not more. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj(a)suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE
by Sabine Soellheim 25 Apr '07

25 Apr '07

Hi, Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the mission statement for the openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input. A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE project, a so called "one-liner" e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit! * openSUSE - Have a lot of fun! * openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine! * The openSUSE project - A real alternative! * openSUSE - It's a wild thing! * openSUSE - An unlimited alternative! * openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution! It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open, leading edge distribution, fits everywhere, best of open source, innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc. We will select the best three mission statements for further discussion and finally reward the best input with a 50cm stuffed Tux. We are looking forward to your ideas. Thanks in advance, Sabine Soellheim Product Marketing Manager Novell SUSE Linux Products GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg ------------------------------- SUSE Linux Products GmbH: GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) ------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is Ready http://www.novell.com/linux --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Scattered use of domains for openSUSE
by Francis Giannaros 25 Apr '07

25 Apr '07

I unfortunately forgot about raising this item at the status meeting, so I'm raising it here. The current setup with use of domains for openSUSE things seems pretty curious to me, and it seems to me like things are all over the place. A quick run-down: * openSUSE.org is the main openSUSE site with the wiki and Build Service, but: * novell.com used for the bugtracker, a lot of SVNs (artwork, various documentation, etc) * suse.de used for openSUSE email addresses and random other hosting Now, I understand that YaST and Zypp are moving to a public svn, which is awesome, and it'd be nice if other things followed too, like artwork svn (which I'll raise on the -artwork list once it's up too). So, I'm just wondering if there couldn't be more centralisation on openSUSE.org for some of the above items. Any comments? Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros Website: http://francis.giannaros.org IRC: apokryphos on irc.freenode.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse] vote for the 10.3's slogan
by M Harris 24 Apr '07

24 Apr '07

On Monday 23 April 2007 19:27, Pueblo Native wrote: > How about "OpenSuse: Opening up your world"? I love it! -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SUPER and SLICK projects
by Krupanský 24 Apr '07

24 Apr '07

Hello I don´t know who is liable for projects SUPER (http://en.opensuse.org/SUPER) and SLICK (http://en.opensuse.org/SLICK) but i´d ask.Is anything new with these projects? Thanks Regards, Rasto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Easier installing multimedia codecs in openSUSE
by Krupanský Rastislav 23 Apr '07

23 Apr '07

The newest version of Ubuntu does make it simpler to work with proprietary multimedia formats. It includes a new guided wizard for automatically installing multimedia codecs/restricted formats not shipped with Ubuntu, which gives users a safe and easy way to experience proprietary music and videos It could be something like this in new openSUSE.What do you think? It's only my opinion:-) -- Táto správa bola vytvorená integrovaným poštovým klientom prehliadača Opera: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Package Search : Hosting request
by Benji Weber 23 Apr '07

23 Apr '07

Greetings all, For the past few months I have been providing an openSUSE package search at http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin, It has been providing search for over 100,000 packages and 16,000,000 files (buildservice, factory, official, thirdparty). I had hoped to be able to show off some of the newer features, like the one click install integration but that will have to wait for now. Judging by the fact that it was getting well over a thousand search requests a day I suspect it has not gone unnoticed that it has been unavailable for most of this week. Thanks to all those who e-mailed to ensure that I knew. This is unfortunately out of my control, it was hosted on an aged municipal server with dozens of active users, and now the inevitable has happend and the server has died. It is unlikely to be back within the next week. The system is designed (http://en.opensuse.org/PKGSearch-design) to allow multiple groups to provide search results, as well as multiple uses of the search data. So if legal issues of indexing repositories such as packman are a problem those indexes and web-page frontend can be held elsewhere. It would be nice if Novell/SUSE could provide the facilities for indexing the core repositories and build service, but having spoken to several employees it sounds like they do not have the resources. So if anyone else does have the resources and willingness to do so then please let me know. The requirements at present: - Shell access for running the trawler and maintenance (although someone else could be taught to do this) - mysql (with capability of customising server settings) - A few gigabytes of disk space to store the xml files while indexing, and the database + indexes themselves. - Java 6 - Tomcat 5 or Glassfish for hosting the web service. _ Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] #opensuse-community moving to -project
by Martin Schlander 22 Apr '07

22 Apr '07

The opensuse-community tries to achieve a tighter knit and more efficient community. We try to practice what we preach, and therefore it has been decided to close the #opensuse-community IRC channel. Future community discussion will take place in #opensuse-project. If you're going to miss the funny and informal chat that also happened in #opensuse-community you'll be able to find a similar atmosphere in #opensuse-chat. Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] instlux and openSuSE10.3: report 2
by Jordi Massaguer 20 Apr '07

20 Apr '07

I haven't thought about that. Add it as a feature request if you want it to be evaluated. thanks. jordi ----- Mensaje original ---- De: scsijon <scsijon(a)net2000.com.au> Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org Enviado: viernes, 20 de abril, 2007 13:35:10 Asunto: Re: [opensuse-project] instlux and openSuSE10.3: report 2 At 07:36 AM 4/20/2007, Jordi Massaguer wrote: >Hi all, > >I am sending to you the third report about the >development of instlux (a linux from windows >installer) and the integration with OpenSuSE10.3. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Contents: > >1- New features >2- Getting the sources and compiling them >3- Where to get more information and collaborate >4- And now what else? >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >1- New features > > 1- Instlux can now be installed on a SATA disc (that was the most > annoying bug). > 2- Instlux can now be installed on a Windows98 PC (thanks to > Daniel Pedigo). > 3- Instlux installs even when Windows is not at the first partition. > 4- Instlux supports now the OpenSuSE10.3 Alpha3 (CDROM and > Internet installations) > 5- Instlux supports 20 languages in one single installer and > chooses the one your windows is using. > 6- Instlux supports 32 and 64 bits. There is a version for 32 and > a version for 64. > >You can access the latest development builds at: > >http://instlux.sourceforge.net/testing_builds/ > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >2- Getting the sources and compiling them > >You can access the code at: >http://instlux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/instlux/ > >In order to compile it, you need the nsis for linux: >http://instlux.sourceforge.net/dependencies/nsis-2.18-alt1.i586.rpm > >and python installed. > >Then, just run the make_instlux.py script. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >3- Where to get more information and collaborate > >There is a wiki page at: >http://en.opensuse.org/Instlux > >The main web page: >http://instlux.sourceforge.net > >The bug tracker: >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=151507&atid=781214 > >The feature request: >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=151507&atid=781217 > >The forums: >http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=151507 > >Some extra documentation: >http://instlux.sourceforge.net/docs > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >4- And now what else? > >The 32 bits version is ready for being integrated into the OpenSuSE >build system. So the next step should be told by the opensuse project manager. > >I have not tested the 64 bits version as I do not have any 64 bit >computer. So I will prefer to either test it myself or hope that >someone at the opensuse community wills to do so, before integrating >it into the OpenSuSE build system. Anyone? > >Regards, > >jordi massaguer pla > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Instlux is sponsored by: > openTrends Solucions i Sistemes S.L. http://www.opentrends.net >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > silly question, what about from an OS/2 Warp4 Windows interface? scsijon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] instlux and openSuSE10.3: report 2
by Jordi Massaguer 20 Apr '07

20 Apr '07

Hi all, I am sending to you the third report about the development of instlux (a linux from windows installer) and the integration with OpenSuSE10.3. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents: 1- New features 2- Getting the sources and compiling them 3- Where to get more information and collaborate 4- And now what else? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1- New features 1- Instlux can now be installed on a SATA disc (that was the most annoying bug). 2- Instlux can now be installed on a Windows98 PC (thanks to Daniel Pedigo). 3- Instlux installs even when Windows is not at the first partition. 4- Instlux supports now the OpenSuSE10.3 Alpha3 (CDROM and Internet installations) 5- Instlux supports 20 languages in one single installer and chooses the one your windows is using. 6- Instlux supports 32 and 64 bits. There is a version for 32 and a version for 64. You can access the latest development builds at: http://instlux.sourceforge.net/testing_builds/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2- Getting the sources and compiling them You can access the code at: http://instlux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/instlux/ In order to compile it, you need the nsis for linux: http://instlux.sourceforge.net/dependencies/nsis-2.18-alt1.i586.rpm and python installed. Then, just run the make_instlux.py script. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3- Where to get more information and collaborate There is a wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/Instlux The main web page: http://instlux.sourceforge.net The bug tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=151507&atid=781214 The feature request: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=151507&atid=781217 The forums: http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=151507 Some extra documentation: http://instlux.sourceforge.net/docs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4- And now what else? The 32 bits version is ready for being integrated into the OpenSuSE build system. So the next step should be told by the opensuse project manager. I have not tested the 64 bits version as I do not have any 64 bit computer. So I will prefer to either test it myself or hope that someone at the opensuse community wills to do so, before integrating it into the OpenSuSE build system. Anyone? Regards, jordi massaguer pla ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Instlux is sponsored by: openTrends Solucions i Sistemes S.L. http://www.opentrends.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Rv: [opensuse-project] Package Search : Hosting request
by Jordi Massaguer 19 Apr '07

19 Apr '07

Just wanted to say that it is a great tool and I have been using it as it is faster to use your search application than waiting for yast to download all the indexes. I just hope you can find a server soon. Just for curiosity, do you have any statistics about the traffic you had? That is downloads per day/hour, downloads at a time, etc.. Again thanks for the great job! jordi ----- Mensaje original ---- De: Benji Weber <b.weber(a)warwick.ac.uk> Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org Enviado: jueves, 19 de abril, 2007 21:40:48 Asunto: Re: [opensuse-project] Package Search : Hosting request On 4/19/07, David Miller <djmdave(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > I believe its partly due to benji's indexer searching packman and guru repos > as well -- therefore indexing legally dubious packages As I mentioned, it's designed so it can be split, one party providing some of the search facilities, and the rest by another party, invisible to the user. _ Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Look and Feel of the openSUSE Installer
by Magnus Boman 19 Apr '07

19 Apr '07

Hello openSUSE lovers! openSUSE has been rapidly evolving, but the installer has stayed the same for many versions! The installer is the first thing potential openSUSE users see, and an immediate 'pleasant surprise effect is very important, particularly considering the competition from other installers available. Previous SUSE users also erroneously presume sometimes that the distro is the same since the installer hasn't changed, unfortunately. I've created a page on the wiki to collect ideas on how to improve the openSUSE installer. If you have any ideas (or concerns), please head over to http://en.opensuse.org/Pimp_My_Installer and update it as you see fit. Thanks, Magnus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] New openSUSE look and feel
by Rajko M. 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Here we go http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rlihm Proposals for openSUSE look and feel. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] freetype2, subpixel hinting, software patents, host it in Europe
by Pascal Bleser 09 Apr '07

09 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just to make sure I'm not missing something... As pointed out by James Ots [1], subpixel hinting is disabled in the SUSE freetype2 packages because it might infringe software patents owned by Microsoft (see [2] for details). As software patents are not applicable nor enforceable in Europe, I could build them with enabled subpixel hinting and host them in my repository (hosted in Germany)... right ? [1]http://jamesots.blogspot.com/2007/04/sub-pixel-antialiasing-in-opensuse-1… [2]http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-bugs/2007-04/msg00126.html Thanks for any comments. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser(a)skynet.be> <guru(a)unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGmg9r3NMWliFcXcRAoyhAKCA2NNcr0PhErvJhe5AZM0VfW97VACglOxv mOO6jsTmQbV202Em39sxp6Y= =22Vx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE
by Adam Jimerson 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is aimed more to gamers, or people who played the old game Zero Wing. openSUSE - Are your base are belong to us! Just an idea... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGE/zo9KFprNJUZxARAlZFAJ42Xfg6al0fKVWsicdPBU+VB8OXrACfSakj wSL8EdVPu3I8vdJmMRgL3KU= =RiGi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE
by Alberto Passalacqua 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

Hello, I think that openSUSE is a distributions for individual users, who want freedom of choice, a rich software repository and the possibility to actually feel free of doing what they want with their PC, even if they're not experienced users. So, I thought to: * openSUSE - Open up yourself * openSUSE - Choose to be free! I also like: * openSUSE - Linux for open minds See you, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] download.openSUSE.org mirrors
by Christoph Thiel 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

Hi everyone, the attached mail just went out to our mirror admins. In case you are mirroring ftp.openSUSE.org and didn't get this email, contact me off-list. Thanks, Christoph ----- Forwarded message from Christoph Thiel <cthiel(a)suse.de> ----- Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:41:46 +0200 From: Christoph Thiel <cthiel(a)suse.de> Subject: [suse-mirror] download.openSUSE.org mirrors Dear mirror-admins, as you might know, we have been promoting download.openSUSE.org as our central "download redirector" for openSUSE.org. Over the last year or so, the infrastrcuture behind download.openSUSE.org has been improved significantly. With the current setup we are now able to handle hunders of mirrors from all over the world. If you are interested in a more detailed description of the download redirector and the logic behind it, refer to http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Redirector I'm contacting you today, to help me review the list of mirrors, which are currently being used by download.openSUSE.org. Please have a look at the attached mirrors.txt [1], to figure out if your mirror is listed. In case you are mirroring ftp.openSUSE.org and can't find your mirror in mirrors.txt, contact me off-list, so I can add you to the database! Here are some addition thoughts: - Please consider offering the mirrored files through HTTP, in case you aren't doing so already. (We only redirect to HTTP mirrors!) - If large file support (>2G) doesn't work on your HTTP server, please let us know - Keep the directory structure intact, so it is identical to the structure found below ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/. Otherwise we can't redirect to it. Thanks, Christoph [1] In case you are wondering what scan_speed stands for: It's the number of files the scanner (our crawler) was able to scan per second. -- Christoph Thiel, Tech. Project Management, Research & Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----- End forwarded message -----

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