October 2007 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Meeting announce mails
by Martin Lasarsch 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

Hi in the IRC meeting some people are not that happy with all the meeting announce mails if i understood correctly. my idea: Post on Monday _one_ mail with all meetings of the week. jpr already mentioned that he want to announce also special topics for the meeting, but this could be also be done in one mail, so every meeting will have space for that, if needed. This works only if who are usually send the mails working together. Proposal: Every meeting maintainer will take care that the meetings page in the wiki is up-to-date, i (or someone else) will look on it on Monday 16:00 and prepare the mail. If this will be ok for most of you i will prepare a mail template for that ... -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch(a)suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] STATUS:Communication/Wiki/Events
by Martin Lasarsch 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

Hi, * Events - Practical Linux on Saturday http://www.practical-linux.de/statisch/index.html - LWE .nl on 31.10-01.11 * Communication - IRC Project meeting tomorrow - IRC GNOME meeting on Thursday - installation videos finished * Wiki - next: zh wiki change - working on mail notification - figure out the picture problem (seems to be local cache) -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch(a)suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Shifting the IRC meeting
by Martin Lasarsch 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

Hi MBoman asked to do something to make it easier for people from the other side of the world to attend the irc meeting. We could do it one time like now, 18:00 CET, and the next meeting 2 weeks later at 14:00 CET (22:00 Australia afaik), 2 weeks later at 18:00 ... and so on. opinions? -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch(a)suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] YaST invisible modules
by Jordi Massaguer i Pla 18 Oct '07

18 Oct '07

Hi all! In order to write some default settings, we have written some YaST modules that have no UI but set some configuration. We called them "invisible modules" for this reason, and use them during the installation process at the Linkat distribution. Linkat is NL9 based distribution and will be a SLED10 based distribution. In order to share this experience, we edit the YaST Modules section at the openSUSE wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Modules#Invisible_modules Feel free to give us any advice/comments or to move that info to another section of the wiki. yours, jordi massaguer pla -- Jordi Massaguer i Pla openTrends Solucions i Sistemes, S.L. Torre Llacuna C/Llacuna 166, 10º 1ª A 08018 Barcelona Phone: (+34) 93 320 84 14 Fax: (+34) 93 300 35 27 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2007/10/11)
by Rodrigo Moya 16 Oct '07

16 Oct '07

Meetings: * Target audience: - We discuss both hardcore dev issues as well as "soft" issues, so to make it easier for everyone, hardcore stuff will be discussed last. * Meeting formats: - Will experiment with different formats to allow more participation - Will try cut&paste panned intro *** AI - experiment with meeting theming (captain_magnus) *** AI - experiment with order in meetings (captain_magnus) * Length & frequency of meetings: - Keep weekly meetings, but limit to 45 mins/1 hour, although will use time as needed for the time being - Rotate times for getting people from Asia *** AI - experiment with limited time for individual items (JP) *** AI - review meeting formats in 3 more items (JP) Bug squashing: - Need to deal with GNOME bugs for old opensuse versions. - Move all bugs that are still seen in <= 10.3 to 11.0 unless it's critical *** AI - organize bug squashing (mtgordon) Packaging policy: - G:Community policy still blocked on packaging guidelines - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Community_Inclusion_Policy *** AI - figure out where wishlist items live in the feature process (JP, captain_magnus, cyberorg) Feature requests & mini-projects: - Only discussion, still no access to FATE for external people - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/FeaturePlanning *** AI - Create a 11.0 features wish list page Task review: - GM live CDs need to be tested - G:STABLE is now up-to-date but still does not compile due to BS bug - Glossary not started yet Q&A: - Need more feedback about bug plan before starting on 'debugging topics' - Need a due date column on our tasks list - Create an icalendar for tasks with alarms - Obsolete orphan pages in the wiki - Will evaluate PackageKit for package manager - Lots of improvements needed in yast-gtk package manager -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Automatix for openSUSE...
by Peter Flodin 16 Oct '07

16 Oct '07

Hi all, Having just returned from using Ubuntu as my main OS for a few months (I give another distro a go every now and then, but I have returned everytime so far :-), there is one thing that Ubuntu users have available that makes it very easy to setup a new machine, and that is Automatix. http://getautomatix.com/ . Automatix has got a good wrap lately with the admission that Michael Dell (of Dell Computers) uses it on his personal computer. Ideally one would solve it without yet another way to install things. What stops us (technically, legally etc) creating a similar meta repository for openSUSE, that doesn't host the actual packages but just pointers to download them from the 3rd parties? eg: http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-1.4.0.118-suse.i586.rpm http://download.gizmoproject.com/GizmoDownload/gizmo-project-3.1.0.77-1.i38… http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmplayer/VMware-player-2.0.1-55017.i38… etc ie. it covers 3rd party packages that we can't host or redistribute, but a nice central location that is a great benefit for the user. pflodo Peter Flodin. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Status Action Items
by Christian Boltz 15 Oct '07

15 Oct '07

Hello, here's the status of Action Items. Luckily, I didn't say I'll always post it the day after the meeting (I just said "after the meeting") - otherwise I would have to say that I'm late ;-)) A note to all AI assignees: If there are news about your AI, please add a comment to bugzilla. New Action Items: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # (not in bugzilla) Switch meeting time for every second meeting so that people in other timezones can attend. See the discussion in this mailinglist. #334142 Aniruddh requested to set up an offical Dutch openSUSE mailing list -> Action Item henne: create opensuse-nl(a)opensuse.org Work in progress: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #328622 - help.opensuse.org translations Several languages are available already, more to come. BTW: Pascal, the german translation is OK ;-) #223288 - create installation/usage videos The videos are finished, but too large for YouTube. Martin proposed to use Google video instead. #223290 - better wishlist handling using FATE This AI switched from blocked (no time) to work in progress :-) There is some technical discussion in bugzilla, and henne said in the meeting that cwh is working on it. #229213 - clarify bugzilla usage for packages in build service (ETA: November) More or less done, there's just a link in the web interface missing. #238355 - status of cn wiki (ETA: 09.24) Will be renamed to zh-cn and zh-classical, otherwise ready. Martin is working on it. #328611 - Try out wishlist handling / feature tracking in the wiki The GNOME team made a nice overview of different tracking methods: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/FeaturePlanning The details about FATE are blocked by AI #328613 #293726 - Creation of Babel wiki Blocked by some technical problems, but nobody remembered what was wrong ;-) #238350 - unmaintained wikis (is, es, vi) No news, but Martin will post to the wiki list to improve the situation. After the last AI status report, Gabriel <gabriel.sgt(a)gmail.com> wrote he is trying to maintain the main pages of the spanish wiki, but short of time. In the meeting, there was a discussion how to handle completely outdated wikis. There were basically two opinions - adding a big disclaimer on the start page with a link to en.opensuse.org (advantage: no "404", easier if someone wants to work on it again) - completely shut it down (but keep a backup if someone wants to work on it again) Action Item notlocalhorst: put a big fat disclaimer on vi.o.o that its completely unmaintained - and talk to the maintainer (I'll add this to #238350 because it's a sub-AI ;-) AIs without any news: (since the last meeting) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #328613 - Prepare explanation of Fate features and processses in the wiki -> no news #173961 - openSUSE merchandising -> WIP, but no news Blocked AIs: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ #164757- SDB style guide / differences SDB, HOWTO (No time) #164761 - built service trust/rating system (no time and resources - ETA 2008) -> ETA was set in the meeting #267437 - community comitee, @opensuse.org mail addresses etc. (Blocked by User Directory) Things that were done: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #328594 - Release BuildService Roadmap Adrian and Klaas have published the new BuildService roadmap on the wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Roadmap And, as already written in my last status mail: #281622 - put packages from czech packagers team into buildservice Vladimir wrote this will be done on demand from the community (but not before because it's some additional work) So if you want to help maintaining one of the packages listed on http://en.opensuse.org/Czech_Packagers_Team/Packages_sorted_by_maintainer speak up now ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- One of the main reasons for the downfall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] opensuse upgrade: newer, faster, worse
by Maciej Pilichowski 14 Oct '07

14 Oct '07

Hello, The reason for this mail is quite simple -- I've been using open/suse for a long time and I am afraid to see how opensuse is getting better, yet on the other hand is getting worse. Better -- because for example computer boots faster, worse -- because to do the same thing as before, user has to download extra packages, download "outdated" packages or learn again how to make things work with new tools. For me meaning of upgrade is simply -- user should upgrade system and everything should work as before, minimum. The only changes could be: everything is faster, more secure, reliable, etc. Examples: opensuse dropped smbfs package some time ago, and this done silently, when you try to use smbfs... nothing, no information why, what should user do. losetup worked perfectly well in 10.2, after upgrade user is supposed to set from scratch her/his configuration to make things work. I don't want only to complain, because it is wasting time. My propositions: a) let's say user works with OS X.Y with package P installed older than the basic package from this OS version (example opensuse 10.2 and cups 1.1) -- do not touch such packages! it is clear that user intentionally downgraded this package to work with it, it was her/his will so do not force upgrade of such packages b) dropping software (like smbfs (*)) -- provide fake packages (I already reported this idea), so when user tries to use it explain what she/he should do with it b.1) however this example (*) shows a bad judgement -- I think it is better to provide unmaintained code to help users, than to remove such software and make things worse for users (cifs does not work so well) c) if one tool is replaced with another (losetup example) provide converter, so user could call losetup-backward-compability script and all arguments would be translated to the new tool used in opensuse d) if it is only possible (technically) maintain backward compatibility, ignoring current userbase in such manner reminds me of one big firm and its attitude -- it is bad example to follow In general: it is better to make things work in one place (opensuse distribution) so every user could benefit from it, than ignoring users workplace and making them fix system after upgrade to the state before upgrade. This just a wasting time. Backward compatibility really matters -- it is no use I get new, great cups if it does not work for me at all. The same goes for every other package. Currently this issue is being treated too lightly (in my opinion). Thank you for your time, have a nice day, bye -- Maciej Pilichowski --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] asking for repository adding on yast
by Andrea Florio 14 Oct '07

14 Oct '07

Hi, i'm ANDREA FLORIO, user Anubisg1, member of the italian wiki translation team and manteiner of anubisg1-repository > http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#Anubisg1 I have a request to make, I would like to see my repository in the list showed by yast, that's why: 1 My repository have only hard testing packages by users, all of that working 2 In a single repository i'm trying to include all instant messagin programs and others tools not included in OSS or packman repository 3 My repository is the only one the includes: ## aMSN-0.97-RC1 and aMSN-0.97-SVN (with amsn-skins and amsn-plugins) http://www.amsn-project.net/; ## openC6 http://openc6.sourceforge.net/ (italian C6-messenger clone); ## KMess http://www.kmess.org/; ## Emesene http://www.emesene.org; ## AcetoneISO2 http://www.acetoneteam.org/central.html; ## AcetoneISO2-SVN http://www.acetoneteam.org/central.html; ## MoioSMS-2.13 http://www.moioli.net/Progetti___1/MoioSMS___Messaggi_GRATIS_da_Internet___…; ## Ueagle-data-firmware (and soon ueagle-atm-drivers) www.eagle-usb.org/ ## A working version of GRUB-GFXboot http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Grub+gfxboot+splash+openSUSE?conte… ## LiVES http://lives.sourceforge.net/ (I have to upgrade to last version) And more i have: ## Pidgin (ever the last version, it exit befor of Gnome:Community) http://www.pidgin.im/; ## Amule-cvs (it's present in packman but mine have some little bigfix more, like menù entry) ## Amule-Adunanza ## Ekiga ## Licq ## Various libraries like libqt4 (imported from KDE:Qt project because needed for building and use acetoneISO, SLES/SLED users likes it) You could see any packages and libraries from here: > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Anubisg1#News_Repository_Anubisg1 Hoping you to accept my request, best regards Andrea Florio (Anubisg1) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Mailing list change
by James Tremblay 12 Oct '07

12 Oct '07

Hey guys, there are always these post disparaging the newbies for top posting and not trimming. Personally, I think top posting is a good thing, with it i can just open a list item and read the latest response rather than scrolling down past the stuff I read the day before. Any way I'm not asking to change the rules. I am asking if we can add to the confirmation e-mail a link to the rules. Is it possible to add the link to every message forwarded by the system like a header? http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette I have also recently been asked to read this,http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html which was very helpful. I pledge to do my best to follow these rules and to reread them regularly. Thank You -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District 213 S. Main st Newmarket NH, 03857 603-659-3271 *318 CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/educationk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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