Re: [suse-ppc] Upcoming PowerPC releases
Hi Justin, Am Montag, 20.01.03, um 16:58 Uhr (Europe/Rome) schrieb Justin Davies:
I know this may sound over the top, but why don't we just make it ourselves ? Olaf, the ppc kernels you work on, do you release the changes ? Are they still workable on the end user PPC systems, ibpook optimisations etc ?
All we have to do is then have our autobuild to spit out the ppc distro.
Olaf, how viable is this from a legal perspective and the stance of suse on this ?
Seeing my own time-limit, it doesn't sound very convincing to me to start another Linux distribution without (?) urgent need for. Especially not for the small "market" of PPC users (who, like me, seem to get more and more comfortable with OSX :-/ And - as Kevin pointed out in his mail - there are still good working distributions for almost any need. The more important question to me is: Is there a distribution that gives me an (as far as possible) identical working environment on my Laptop (PPC), some desktop machines I use (x86 and PPC) and (soon) on a server (x86). And (as hobby-evangelist :-) that I can advise other people to use, even if they are newbies - at least as long as I can be contacted for help. So, therefore, the answer seems to be clearly Debian - or has anyone any better suggestions? Among other reasons, there will never be problems like in this case with SuSE: stopping the development because there are not enough users. Ciao Bernd
Justin
(ex-suse employee :o)
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 15:51, Bernd Kulawik wrote:
Hi PPC-linux users,
Here's what I got today from SuSE as answer on my question for a new PPC release:
"Leider muss ich Sie enttäuschen, denn eine neue PPC-Distribution von SuSE Linux ist wegen verhältnismäßig geringen Nachfrage nicht geplant.
Es wird lediglich für den professionellen Einsatz auf Serverhardware den SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 for i-series and p-series geben.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
SuSE PreSales Detlef Wiese"
that is:
"I'm sorry, but a new PPC Distribution by SuSE Linux is not planned because of the small amount of interest. There will be only the SuSE Linux Enterprise 8 for professional usage on server hardware [IBM] i-series and p-series. .... "
because I also prefer to have the same distribution on different hardware (x86 at work and PPC private) I would say: let's switch to Debian :-)
Bernd
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Hi,
The more important question to me is: Is there a distribution that gives me an (as far as possible) identical working environment on my Laptop (PPC), some desktop machines I use (x86 and PPC) and (soon) on a server (x86). And (as hobby-evangelist :-) that I can advise other people to use, even if they are newbies - at least as long as I can be contacted for help. So, therefore, the answer seems to be clearly Debian - or has anyone any better suggestions? Among other reasons, there will never be problems like in this case with SuSE: stopping the development because there are not enough users.
I had the same concerns to some extent. The only issue with Debian is that unless you want to play with the "unstable" series you end up way behind the 8-ball waiting for them to update to newer releases of key software. I do know that many people do use Debian "unstable" on a day to day basis successfully but I would not want to ask newbies to do that. That really only leaves YDL given your criteria above since it is basically RedHat so you should be able to run *almost* the exact same things on an your x86 box (but you are right there will be slight differences that may trip newbies and others up). I do think YDL does a better job with pure Mac support than most others but probably NOT so good on CHrP and other IBM ppc version workstation support (can anyone attest to that?). The key is that is that YDL/Black Lab/Terrasoft is a ppc shop and would be out of business if they did not keep supporting ppc given their hardware and service business. Any chance volunteers from SuSE-ppc and Mandrakeppc-cooker might get toether and do a European based ppc Linux distribution? Or are these distribution too disjoint (I have never tried Mandrake so I don't know anything about it). Kevin
--- "Kevin B. Hendricks"
I had the same concerns to some extent. The only issue with Debian is that unless you want to play with the "unstable" series you end up way behind the 8-ball waiting for them to update to newer releases of key software.
I am not sure what you mean by "key" software, but I find PPC debian "testing", to have everything I need and it seems to be quite up to date and very stable. I have used it for several server systems running large postgresql databases. Sure the packages show up slower than the x86 tree or "unstable", but not that much slower. I have found myself rarely waiting for package updates. The debian PPC port is actively developed and has a very large user base. Added on with that, the fact you can use "apt-get dist-upgrade" to update an entire system has adavantages all on its own.
I do know that many people do use Debian "unstable" on a day to day basis successfully but I would not want to ask newbies to do that.
I don't think running PPC testing would be too dificult for a newbie. I can see how "unstable" could be difficult for a new user, but I have had developers who have never touched a Linux box before use "testing" without much problem. Erik Jensen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Hi,
I don't think running PPC testing would be too dificult for a newbie. I can see how "unstable" could be difficult for a new user, but I have had developers who have never touched a Linux box before use "testing" without much problem.
That's good to know. I thought there was only "stable" and "unstable". I never knew about "testing". Thanks! Kevin
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