but maybe coordinate your work with bill-barriere. iirc he is the guy behind http://jarpack.net/. jarpack has a gnome project in the openSUSE Build Service (http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service) and he is building newer gnome there.

rock on! I'll drop him an email (unless, Bill, you read this list - in which case please get in touch off-list).

maybe the buildservice is interesting for you aswell.:)

Maybe, last time I looked into the the BS, it wasn't ready yet, I need to read the docs and stuff and then apply :)

Furthermore the gnome maintainers at suse will move the former gnome supplementary into the buildservice aswell.

That's great news - am I right in thinking that the BS opens the door to those of us who could be considered 'trusted' community packagers contributing to 'official' packages? Off to read the docs now... -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org Packages for SUSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/imin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-help@opensuse.org

please coordinate Gnome related packages together with Stanislav Brabec . He plans to start to work on Gnome packages in ~ 1 month.

Thanks, will do. It would be great for Stanislav, Bill-barriere and I to work together on this. Much better than the same work being done three times over. -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org Packages for SUSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/imin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-help@opensuse.org

Hi, Stanislav Brabec schrieb:

As a part of this, we think about:

- better and consistent package naming scheme after dropping of most parts of GNOME1.

Just for information: MPlayer 1.0pre8, released today, was finally ported to GTK2. Maybe it could possible to drop GTK1 entirely in the near future, not only GNOME1. Some of the OSS apps in the distro were already ported using gtk1-compat-devel or can be replaced. However, there are a few commercial apps some people might care about, like NeroLinux.

There is a potential problem with binary compatibility. It's easy to make a symlink /opt/gnome -> /usr to provide this compatibility, but it is a well known RPM issue, that it will delete required files after it.

Naive question: Why would this symlink have to be handled by RPM? There could be a README file documenting that system administrators can set this symlink themselves after evacuating everything from /opt/gnome. How was it handled in the past when the GNOME prefix changed from /opt/gnome2 to /opt/gnome? Andreas Hanke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-help@opensuse.org

Andreas Hanke wrote:

Stanislav Brabec schrieb: Maybe it could possible to drop GTK1 entirely in the near future, not only GNOME1.

Some of the OSS apps in the distro were already ported using gtk1-compat-devel or can be replaced. However, there are a few commercial apps some people might care about, like NeroLinux.

And there are too many small utilities still using gtk1. I am just improving gtk1-compat package (see FACTORY tree) - it now has a basic libglade support (manual file conversion is still needed) and libxml1 support. It was able to compile (nearly correctly) old version of MPlayer with gtk2, and also loki_update is moved to gtk2.

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There is a potential problem with binary compatibility. It's easy to make a symlink /opt/gnome -> /usr to provide this compatibility, but it is a well known RPM issue, that it will delete required files after it.

Naive question: Why would this symlink have to be handled by RPM? There could be a README file documenting that system administrators can set this symlink themselves after evacuating everything from /opt/gnome.

At least for SLES, we should keep binary compatibility in consequent versions. Yes, in case that user will not have any third party /opt/gnome packages installed, it will work. But if user will have such, (s)he have to move everything in /opt/gnome to /usr (not so trivial, you have to merge info files, mandb etc.) and then set up link. Everything will look OK up to next update of this third party package. This update deadly fails with most files deleted after update. This is a known issue of RPM.

How was it handled in the past when the GNOME prefix changed from /opt/gnome2 to /opt/gnome?

No handling. SLES8 AFAIR have had GNOME 1.4 and in SLES9 have it already moved to /opt/gnome. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SuSE CR, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Drahobejlova 27 tel: +420 296 542 382 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 296 542 374 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-help@opensuse.org

Hi, James Ogley schrieb:

Such as? On my machine, where I did a VERY full 10.1 install (Show install media > All in this list > Install) I see this:

ogley@riggwelter:~> rpm -q --whatrequires gtk gtk-devel-1.2.10-907 gtklp-1.1.0-14 libglade-0.17-252 gscmxx-0.4.1-355

James, this way you won't see which packages depend on libraries provided by gtk. This command shows only those packages which have an explicit dependency on gtk. Better try this: rpm -e gtk --test This will show more. I agree now that there are still too many packages which depend on GTK1. Stanislav has compiled a list here: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-packaging/2006-May/0045.html It's quite a lot of stuff. Andreas Hanke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-help@opensuse.org

On 2006-06-13 11:40:07 +0100, James Ogley wrote:

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James, this way you won't see which packages depend on libraries provided by gtk. This command shows only those packages which have an explicit dependency on gtk.

D'oh! Yes of course, the dumb thing is that when I read Stanislav's email I thought of xmms as an example of a package that needs gtk...

forget about xmms. the bmpx coder promised me that bmpx 0.20 will be a stable version and it will be ready for 10.2. :) so lets hope. :D darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-help@opensuse.org

James Ogley píše v Út 13. 06. 2006 v 11:40 +0100:

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James, this way you won't see which packages depend on libraries provided by gtk. This command shows only those packages which have an explicit dependency on gtk.

D'oh! Yes of course, the dumb thing is that when I read Stanislav's email I thought of xmms as an example of a package that needs gtk...

(Silly James, think, think!) :)

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I agree now that there are still too many packages which depend on GTK1. Stanislav has compiled a list here: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-packaging/2006-May/0045.html It's quite a lot of stuff.

It certainly is. Does anyone know if it's possible to build those packages using gtk1-compat-devel, or what would be required to do so?

I am going step by step and trying to compile. Many packages need manual fixing or improvements of gtk1-compat-devel. I plan to release gtk1-compat as a tarball and add it to GNOME CVS soon. A big problem is imlib, used by many packages. I guess it would be possible to wrap imlib to gdk-pixbuf or at least compile another imlib with gdk2 (I tried it, but imlib heavily uses internals of gdk1). My actual results: xdelta - done long time ago, now turned on loki_update - done, partially using upstream work xmorph - done and fixed in upstream powertweak - done and works, some runtime critical warnings occur Work in progress / gave up. Any debugging or fixing is welcome. I can send my patches to volunteers. ardour - work in progress in upstream (ardour2) alsaplayer - compiles after commenting out twice three lines around style->font = foo, but does not work xqf - compiles but does not start Xdialog: One FIXME in if (Xdialog.fixed_font). Works, but computes incorrectly font sizes of monospace font. soundtracker - I wrote some code, gave up for now (I can send a partial patch to any volunteer) gentoo - gave up manedit - did some fixes, gave up vocalbin - gave up ami - gave up gau - did a small fix, then gave up xmms - needs imlib surf - working on fixes pcsx - will need a dropped packer widget third party packages: ogle - upstream did it MPlayer - upstream did it, but with gtk1-compat-devel with older version: problems popping up menu (basically works, but does not pop up in 99% of cases) problems with monospace fonts in About (the same as Xdialog) -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SuSE CR, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Drahobejlova 27 tel: +420 296 542 382 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 296 542 374 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging-help@opensuse.org

James Ogley wrote:

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but maybe coordinate your work with bill-barriere. iirc he is the guy behind http://jarpack.net/. jarpack has a gnome project in the openSUSE Build Service (http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service) and he is building newer gnome there. maybe the buildservice is interesting for you aswell.:)

If anyone has an email address for bill-barriere, can they please let me know off-list?

No, but he's almost always on #suse with that nick ;) And let's please try to coordinate that effort a little broader, I have a few GNOME apps in my repository as well (e.g. and most notably (latest stable) gimp and gnomebaker). I'd say opensuse-packaging@opensuse.org would be the best place to do so. James, "welcome back" from me as well ;) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v http://www.fosdem.org http://opensuse.org