Announcement: tools for web developers (tidy, mod_tidy, w3c markup validator)
Hi! I am primary a web developer, and my interest is very high, that the popular SUSE Linux offers tools to make a (web-)developer's life easier. Fedora has an eye on developers, also Debian. Why not also SUSE? Making the openSUSE platform interesting for developers more than ever before? Since month, I build my own RPMs of tidy (http://tidy.sourceforge.net) and mod_tidy (http://mod-tidy.sourceforge.net/), which both have been also taken as a basis for SuSEs current tidy packages on ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/apache/tidy/ and mod_tidy packages on ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/apache/apache-mod_tidy/. Unfortunately, SUSEs official packages are not updated so regulary, as I wish they could be, so I want to point to my resources on http://sierkbornemann.de/pub/tools/tidy/ and http://sierkbornemann.de/pub/tools/mod_tidy/, where I store much more up-to-date RPMs for SUSE Linux. The mod_tidy packages, recently shipped with SUSE Linux 10 are outdated. Since I have overtaken the project, some important things have been changed (updated License, updated code, etc.). These URLs on my personal site are still inofficial (for developers only). I hope, that in long time view the official SuSE resources get in sync with wether my packages, which try to be as close and up-to-date as possible to the original, or with the official resources. Since several weeks, I also offer the official W3C Markup Validator of http://validator.w3.org/ as a RPM for SUSE Linux. These packages are still located on http://sierkbornemann.de/pub/tools/w3c-markup-validator/. As it happened with my tidy and mod_tidy packages, I hope, my w3c validator packages will be copyied to one of SUSEs FTP-Servers and offered from there to the public (here again, I want to keep the traffic to my server in a reasonable limit, that's because I hope, that somebody of Novell/SuSE gives them a place on a public SuSE FTP server). Concerning the W3C Markup Validator, I went on optimizing it for local use (the W3C developers themselves have an eye on it and made a lot of adjustments). It's easy to install and configurate. Hints for improvements are welcome (this belongs to the validator as to tidy and to mod_tidy). For the near future, I aim SUSE Linux packages of the W3C Validator to be also mentioned on http://validator.w3.org/source/ (besides Fedora and Debian packages). I have strong encouragement from the Validator Dev team in continuing so. and I still hope, Novell/SUSE is able to give me more official assistance (minimum: updating more frequently the packages taken from me). So, have a look into my packages, try them out. Any help for improvements and advocacy is welcome. Sierk Bornemann Sierk Bornemann | Hannover | Germany e-mail: sierkb@gmx.de URL: http://sierkbornemann.de/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sierk Bornemann wrote:
Hi!
Hallo Sierk
I am primary a web developer, and my interest is very high, that the popular SUSE Linux offers tools to make a (web-)developer's life easier. Fedora has an eye on developers, also Debian. Why not also SUSE? Making the openSUSE platform interesting for developers more than ever before?
Sure. ...
http://sierkbornemann.de/pub/tools/w3c-markup-validator/. As it happened with my tidy and mod_tidy packages, I hope, my w3c validator packages will be copyied to one of SUSEs FTP-Servers and offered from there to the public (here again, I want to keep the traffic to my server in a reasonable limit, that's because I hope, that somebody of Novell/SuSE gives them a place on a public SuSE FTP server).
I don't see that happening as of now. Adrian is working on a new concept (aka "build servers") where such things will be possible, but it's only due end of Q1 2006. Until then, we don't have all that much influence on what is included and/or updated in SUSE Linux. Besides that fact, it wouldn't help that much anyway, as once a SUSE Linux release is out, it's feature-frozen. There won't be any feature updates, only critical bug- and security-fixes. What you are looking for are short release cycles for your packages. Hence, the best option would be to provide package repositories to the community. For the sake of joining forces, making it easier for the end-user and if you don't want to spoil your bandwidth with downloads of your packages, you should join the Packman team and maintain your packages over there. Packman would provide you with the whole infrastructure (you merely need to upload your packages onto the Packman server, no other bandwidth would be used). If you want to join, just send an e-mail on packman@links2linux.de and you'll get further information over there.
Concerning the W3C Markup Validator, I went on optimizing it for local use (the W3C developers themselves have an eye on it and made a lot of adjustments). It's easy to install and configurate. Hints for
Great :)
improvements are welcome (this belongs to the validator as to tidy and to mod_tidy). For the near future, I aim SUSE Linux packages of the W3C Validator to be also mentioned on http://validator.w3.org/source/ (besides Fedora and Debian packages). I have strong encouragement from the Validator Dev team in continuing so. and I still hope, Novell/SUSE
Excellent.
is able to give me more official assistance (minimum: updating more frequently the packages taken from me).
They can only be updated when SUSE Linux releases are made. Hint: contact the package maintainer @SUSE directly by mail (look at the changelog of the tidy/... RPM included in SUSE Linux 10.0 ("rpm -q --changelog tidy | head -20" and take the topmost) or file a feature request on the openSUSE bugzilla. Still, those packages would only be updated every 6 months. Much better option: community repository (your own, Packman, ...)
So, have a look into my packages, try them out. Any help for improvements and advocacy is welcome.
Send in the spec files ;)
cheers
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-o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
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Hi Pascal! At 12:27 28.11.2005, you wrote:
They can only be updated when SUSE Linux releases are made. Hint: contact the package maintainer @SUSE directly by mail (look at the changelog of the tidy/... RPM included in SUSE Linux 10.0 ("rpm -q --changelog tidy | head -20" and take the topmost) or file a feature request on the openSUSE bugzilla.
Since month (June 2005), I stay in contact from time to time with Peter Poeml, the Apache maintainer of SuSE. I offered him my packages in June this year, and to my delight he was very pleased and didn't hesitate to take them over and put them onto SUSEs FTP server. Thanks him, my tidy and mod_tidy packages have found their way to the official SUSE FTP servers. :-) Since june, there hasn't changed anything to these packages, regarding that I offer up-to-date packages (mod_tidy has significally changed since June 2005, because of changes in licence and project owner) and update them regulary. These packages have greatfully found their way into SUSE 10, what I appreciate a lot. But unfortunately, especially in the case of mod_tidy, these packages still are in the state of June 2005. That's sub-optimal, because from my point of view, there has been enough time to bring these packages in sync with my latest ones. I also already have offered my validator packages -- but still without response, if these packages also will be taken officially by SUSE... The W3C Validator developer team would appreciate this a lot...
Still, those packages would only be updated every 6 months. Much better option: community repository (your own, Packman, ...)
As you can follow my words, this already happened to me... This should be changed in the future... I will contact Packman.
So, have a look into my packages, try them out. Any help for improvements and advocacy is welcome.
Send in the spec files ;)
I don't have them separate in the moment (working on a Windows system). I have published the Source RPMs, from there you might extract the Spec files. Sorry for that little inconvenience.. Sierk Sierk Bornemann | Hannover | Germany e-mail: sierkb@gmx.de URL: http://sierkbornemann.de/
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