On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 10:32, Mathias Homann
You should not expect anything in a devel Project to always work, period. That does not negate the fact that if people want to mess around building their own distribution by taking experimental stuff on their stable system, they can do so - that is what we have documented on the wiki. But be under no illusion that when you do that, you're building a system that is going to be less tested, less reviewed, and logic dictates, less reliable than Tumbleweed.
Fully agree here - but like I already said several times: the SDB article about Plasma clearly advises to use KDE:Frameworks5 which to me means it *should* be stable enough for end users.
The SDB Article does no such thing. There is no advice to use KDE:Frameworks5, just documentation on how people COULD if they wanted to. They should be well aware of the less supported nature of what they're doing. https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories "This page lists and describes the available repositories containing KDE software and provides links. Most of them are maintained and supported by the openSUSE KDE Community team". Key phrases include "Most of them" - implying not everything is maintained nor supported. Also "the openSUSE KDE Community team" are NOT "the openSUSE Project" - the distinction should be clear, the Project as a whole tests more, reviews more, and supports more than any one team of community volunteers. "If you want test and/or use the latest release, you can use this repo. " - This is not saying people SHOULD use it, this is saying people CAN use it. "Note for openSUSE Leap users: Leap ships with a Qt LTS release, which is not recent enough for the newest Plasma. So to use KDE:Frameworks5, KDE:Qt5 is required. Some applications from third-party repos might not be installable as they require the specific version of Qt shipped with Leap. " The above notes should make it clear should be no expectation that the latest KDE Frameworks, Plasma, or Applications only work on Leap with significant effort, and some applications will not work.
My concern about TW is mainly based on what I see on the factory mailinglist
If you were subscribed to the opensuse-support@ mailinglist you would think that every openSUSE release is absolutely broken 100% of the time. And if you subscribe to the Ubuntu, Fedora, or Arch mailinglists, you would think likewise. the any development mailinglist is always going to have examples of when stuff goes wrong. Making any firm conclusion from such discussions is akin to choosing a doctor based on what you heard people talking about in the waiting room.
are you really telling me that the whole distribution is always being thoroughly tested between two snapshots? And not just with "smoke tests"?
...even when the two snapshots are only a day apart?
OK that i wanna know more about. how are we doing that? Can I come see?
Alberto already answered this pretty well, so I can cheekily just say 'Yes' There are even times we don't ship, not because we find any issues, but because we developed the next snapshot before we finished testing the last one. We don't mess around with Tumbleweed - it only ships when we're confident it works. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org