On 01/31/2011 09:07 AM, jdd wrote:

Le 31/01/2011 06:05, Dave Plater a écrit :

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A while ago sometime between 11.2 and 11.3, I think, Joerg Schilling the original cdrecord author came onto the factory list and bugged the hell out of everybody. As a result we have the correct one and imo it works a 100% better than the earlier one,

Joerg is probably still here, he writes from time to time. And *yes*, his cdrecord is much better than wodim. At least when it speaks about writting Blu-Ray disks.

It's available from factory but it looks to run without problem on 11.3.

To allow k3b to use it it needs some tweeks, but easy to do (setting the good cdrecord first in the k3b software configuration list)

jdd

I use kdf on 11.3 although it's time to update to factory and it was automatically used with a pleasantly surprising 100% dvd write, even dirty ones and I no longer need to manually reduce the writing speed. I should imagine blu-ray frisbees are quite costly. Dave P. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 01/31/2011 12:36 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 31/01/2011 11:04, Dave Plater a écrit :

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I use kdf on 11.3 although it's time to update to factory and it was automatically used with a pleasantly surprising 100% dvd write, even dirty ones and I no longer need to manually reduce the writing speed. I should imagine blu-ray frisbees are quite costly.

approx $1 each.

with wodim, the write takes forever (0x6 approx) and always fails at fixing. The disk seems to be good though.

With cdrecord from Joerg, the write is done at full (4x) speed and witjhout error.

jdd .

Must be the difference between a developer who tests his work properly and one who "knows" it works. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 01/02/2011 00:00, Steven Sroka a écrit :

If cdrecord is the original program and wodim seems not be reliable would it not be best to ship cdrecord and not wodim?

if I undersdtand well the problem, * time ago there was a licence problem, solved now * joerg is sometime "rough" but it's only a feeling, for me Joerg did a great job! jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/01/2011 01:00 AM, Steven Sroka wrote:

I've heared that the original cdrecord is better than wodim as well. Plus, there are a lot of forums posts and bug reports regarding wodim ruining DVD's and so on listed throughout a Google search.

I'd like to know, if possible, what are the difference between wodim and cdrecord? wodim, according to Joerg, is bastardized and some of us here can confirm that wodim causes problems, so what is the use it?

If cdrecord is the original program and wodim seems not be reliable would it not be best to ship cdrecord and not wodim?

I did a bit of research : http://www.cdrkit.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jörg_Schilling http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ http://schily.blogspot.com/ http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html One thing that confuses me is your experience of wodim is the exact opposite of at least jdd and myself. I've forwarded the mail to opensuse-factory in the hope that Jorge will reply to you. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/01/2011 08:33 PM, Steven Sroka wrote:

On 1 February 2011 04:54, Dave Plater wrote:

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On 02/01/2011 01:00 AM, Steven Sroka wrote:

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I've heared that the original cdrecord is better than wodim as well. Plus, there are a lot of forums posts and bug reports regarding wodim ruining DVD's and so on listed throughout a Google search.

I'd like to know, if possible, what are the difference between wodim and cdrecord? wodim, according to Joerg, is bastardized and some of us here can confirm that wodim causes problems, so what is the use it?

If cdrecord is the original program and wodim seems not be reliable would it not be best to ship cdrecord and not wodim?

I did a bit of research : http://www.cdrkit.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jörg_Schilling http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ http://schily.blogspot.com/ http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html

One thing that confuses me is your experience of wodim is the exact opposite of at least jdd and myself.

Damn. This ballooned into a bigger issue.

Unless I misunderstood, Dave you said, "And *yes*, his cdrecord is much better than wodim."

jdd you said, "with wodim, the write takes forever (0x6 approx) and always fails at fixing. The disk seems to be good though.

With cdrecord from Joerg, the write is done at full (4x) speed and witjhout error."

So infact Dave you are incorrect in your previous email, "One thing that confuses me is your experience of wodim is the exact opposite of at least jdd and myself."

It seems both of you have had issue with wodim as well as me. It's the original cdrecord that seems excellent. Not the other way around

When I read your were confirming above that your had wodim issues as well, I asked why was it even included in openSUSE? No that, that is the most important thing at the moment.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm still not sure what software is what and trying to get to the bottom of it all.

It seems now that I misunderstood what dvd burning software was what. I did what I did because I couldn't understand why you had a problem and I didn't. As you can see from this flame war we don't actually have the original cdrkit or whatever is the right name due to a mexican stand off over the CDDL and GPL being incompatible the solution is a dual license. I visited : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main which gives a good indication of what is compatible with what and they state that the CDDL isn't compatible with any versions of GPL. Also be aware that the actual cd/dvd/blu-ray burning software is maintained in Base:Systems and I maintain multimedia so only the likes of libdvdnav and libcdread are in my department. I would also like to see working cd/dvd burning software in openSUSE. Ok genisoimage is built from wodim source in which although it bears Jorge Schilling's name as the original author actually originates from debian. And this is what you used successfuly? In the list of programs in k3b it states wodim what does your k3b use? Also bear in mind that the deadline for submissions for 11.4 rc1 is Friday and this email is secondary to getting packages updated and working for me. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/01/2011 11:07 PM, Steven Sroka wrote:

On 1 February 2011 15:20, Dave Plater wrote:

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On 02/01/2011 08:33 PM, Steven Sroka wrote:

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On 1 February 2011 04:54, Dave Plater wrote:

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On 02/01/2011 01:00 AM, Steven Sroka wrote:

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I've heared that the original cdrecord is better than wodim as well. Plus, there are a lot of forums posts and bug reports regarding wodim ruining DVD's and so on listed throughout a Google search.

I'd like to know, if possible, what are the difference between wodim and cdrecord? wodim, according to Joerg, is bastardized and some of us here can confirm that wodim causes problems, so what is the use it?

If cdrecord is the original program and wodim seems not be reliable would it not be best to ship cdrecord and not wodim?

I did a bit of research : http://www.cdrkit.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jörg_Schilling http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ http://schily.blogspot.com/ http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html

One thing that confuses me is your experience of wodim is the exact opposite of at least jdd and myself.

Damn. This ballooned into a bigger issue.

Unless I misunderstood, Dave you said, "And *yes*, his cdrecord is much better than wodim."

jdd you said, "with wodim, the write takes forever (0x6 approx) and always fails at fixing. The disk seems to be good though.

With cdrecord from Joerg, the write is done at full (4x) speed and witjhout error."

So infact Dave you are incorrect in your previous email, "One thing that confuses me is your experience of wodim is the exact opposite of at least jdd and myself."

It seems both of you have had issue with wodim as well as me. It's the original cdrecord that seems excellent. Not the other way around

When I read your were confirming above that your had wodim issues as well, I asked why was it even included in openSUSE? No that, that is the most important thing at the moment.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm still not sure what software is what and trying to get to the bottom of it all.

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It seems now that I misunderstood what dvd burning software was what. I did what I did because I couldn't understand why you had a problem and I didn't. As you can see from this flame war we don't actually have the original cdrkit or whatever is the right name due to a mexican stand off over the CDDL and GPL being incompatible the solution is a dual license. I visited : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main which gives a good indication of what is compatible with what and they state that the CDDL isn't compatible with any versions of GPL. Also be aware that the actual cd/dvd/blu-ray burning software is maintained in Base:Systems and I maintain multimedia so only the likes of libdvdnav and libcdread are in my department. I would also like to see working cd/dvd burning software in openSUSE. Ok genisoimage is built from wodim source in which although it bears Jorge Schilling's name as the original author actually originates from debian. And this is what you used successfuly?

genisoimage worked, wodim never did for me. Weird. Anyway, as there are complications with licenses and usability regarding cdrecord, wodim and things based of off them, I'll stick with what works for me.

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In the list of programs in k3b it states wodim what does your k3b use? Also bear in mind that the deadline for submissions for 11.4 rc1 is Friday and this email is secondary to getting packages updated and working for me.

I completely understand. Looking forward to RC1 myself :)

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Dave P

I've just finished confronting him with various licenses and as far as he seems to be concerned the GPL can go to hell. I've left him in his self created hell. As long as everything works everybody is happy and I don't think we'll see the original cdrecord and cdrtools in any GPL friendly distribution for a while. I'm going to try it out for myself though just to see if the authors megalomania is justified. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/02/2011 12:47 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:

On Tuesday 01 February 2011, Dave Plater wrote:

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I did a bit of research : http://www.cdrkit.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jörg_Schilling http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ http://schily.blogspot.com/ http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html

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I've just finished confronting him with various licenses and as far as he seems to be concerned the GPL can go to hell. I've left him in his self created hell. As long as everything works everybody is happy and I don't think we'll see the original cdrecord and cdrtools in any GPL friendly distribution for a while.

This thread started precisely because not everybody is happy with the current situation: wodim fails to work properly sometimes.

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I'm going to try it out for myself though just to see if the authors megalomania is justified.

So, the trial is finished and sentenced already?

Anyway, there are technical problems related to the usage of wodim, and these issues seem to be solved when using cdrtools-3, which is available in Factory. For 11.3, cdrtools-3 is also available in http://jftp.medozas.de/openSUSE_11.3/

Regards, Pedro

I don't even know what all the fuss is about, in fact I;m wondering if it isn't an imposter that's making all the noise. Who ever it is has no sense of logic, something that's generally as important for programming as vision is for driving or it could be a language problem. I did a diff between the berlios and os cdrtools packages and they're the same source wise, strange. I linked in cdrtools to my home project and have some dvds to burn in the morning which I shall do after installation. I need to update to factory but I'm too tired to do all the repository editing atm, I'll do that tomorrow after I've sent the latest blender to factory or Thursday in fact. opensolaris hasn't even got cdrtools. It's 02:00 here. Good night Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/02/2011 08:19 AM, Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 02:07:35AM +0200, Dave Plater wrote:

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I don't even know what all the fuss is about, in fact I;m wondering if it isn't an imposter that's making all the noise. Who ever it is has no sense of logic, something that's generally as important for programming as vision is for driving or it could be a language problem. I did a diff between the berlios and os cdrtools packages and they're the same source wise, strange.

No, this is the actual Joerg, the author of cdrtools, you now met.

Ciao, Marcus

I had a quick google last night before I passed out from exhaustion and he has his own free software foundation as well see :- http://www.osscc.net/en/licenses.html#compatibility The osscc is like the "anti-gnu" sorry I awoke the mad man but at least I now understand what cdrtools is about. One of the bad things about the internet is sites like that can confuse the innocent, somebody should give it regular dos es or better still put the wtfpl as compatible. WW2 was started by somebody with a similar headspace. His cdrtools aren't even in opensolaris. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org