Hi, We always used akamai the first hours after release, but it's not only very complex to maintain, it was also said that it is not needed and might even harm. So I would like to know if you think we can do without for 11.4 Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Fri, 25 Feb 2011, Stephan Kulow wrote:
We always used akamai the first hours after release, but it's not only very complex to maintain, it was also said that it is not needed and might even harm.
So I would like to know if you think we can do without for 11.4
ftp5.gwdg.de can deliver 240 MByte/sec, that is 20 TByte a day. I can expose all files exluding those > 2 GB on ftp3 and ftp4 additionally, giving theoretically a plus of 2 times 10 TByte a day (in practice maybe less because they have only 12 GB resp. 8 GB RAM). I guess Aachen can deliver a lot more, and maybe others too meanwhile. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Moenkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Goettingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Goettingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Prof. Dr. Oswald Haan und Dr. Paul Suren Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Christian Griesinger Sitz der Gesellschaft: Goettingen Registergericht: Goettingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:53:55AM +0100, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
I guess Aachen can deliver a lot more
Yes. -- Carsten Otto otto@informatik.rwth-aachen.de LuFG Informatik 2 http://verify.rwth-aachen.de/otto/ RWTH Aachen phone: +49 241 80-21211 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
On Freitag, 25. Februar 2011 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
We always used akamai the first hours after release, but it's not only very complex to maintain, it was also said that it is not needed and might even harm.
So I would like to know if you think we can do without for 11.4
One advantage of Akamai is their global presence. It´s important to have the servers as close (from a latency POV) as possible to the clients. I don´t have enough insight in how the current mirrors are distributed across the globe. Even if we have a global presence we need to make sure that the right mirror is selected. Maybe the "geographical distance ordering" from MB 2.14 would help as well.
Greetings, Stephan
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Christian Deckelmann (deckel@novell.com) wrote on 26 February 2011 08:10:
On Freitag, 25. Februar 2011 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
We always used akamai the first hours after release, but it's not only very complex to maintain, it was also said that it is not needed and might even harm.
So I would like to know if you think we can do without for 11.4
I really doubt your mirrors cannot give good service even at peak times... In our case we could deliver 20x more without problem. In Europe you have excellent mirrors that users will have a hard time to saturate.
One advantage of Akamai is their global presence. It´s important to have the servers as close (from a latency POV) as possible to the clients.
Not really. Latency is important when you want to get many different files, and interactively. For opensuse downloads, which are mostly dvds, latency isn't important, only throughput is. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
--On fredag, februari 25, 2011 09.24.18 +0100 Stephan Kulow
Hi,
We always used akamai the first hours after release, but it's not only very complex to maintain, it was also said that it is not needed and might even harm.
So I would like to know if you think we can do without for 11.4
Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
Given proper time in advance (so the mirrors can gather the files even though public access is denied) it should work out just fine. Many other distros have been doing this for years, just make the release time clear so all of the mirrors are "flipped open" at the same time. (There was some discussion some years back for another distro about release time vs. time zones. Iirc it ended up with the time to be specified in a format each mirror admin cuold cut-n-paste to date to get the flip-time in his/hers local time:-) For what it's worth ftp.sunet.se have 1-1,5 Gbps to spare. Best regards, Emil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
On 02/25/2011 12:24 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
We always used akamai the first hours after release, but it's not only very complex to maintain, it was also said that it is not needed and might even harm.
So I would like to know if you think we can do without for 11.4
I've got 4gbps of bandwidth worldwide, from a personal standpoint I don't think there is any specific need for akamai, particularly considering the added complexity and I can only assume cost. - John 'Warthog9' Hawley Chief Kernel.org Administrator -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, February 25, 2011 09:24:18 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
We always used akamai the first hours after release, but it's not only very complex to maintain, it was also said that it is not needed and might even harm.
So I would like to know if you think we can do without for 11.4
We could also still use it - but (if our redirector supports this) give it lower priority in general or only for regions with good mirrors, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 28. Februar 2011, 10:24:04 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
On Friday, February 25, 2011 09:24:18 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
We always used akamai the first hours after release, but it's not only very complex to maintain, it was also said that it is not needed and might even harm.
So I would like to know if you think we can do without for 11.4
We could also still use it - but (if our redirector supports this) give it lower priority in general or only for regions with good mirrors,
... which would make it even more harder to maintain for even less value. I don't see that as an option. Greetings, Stephan -- Sent from openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mirror+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: mirror+help@opensuse.org
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