On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 17:19 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Sunday, May 22, 2011 06:04:58 AM Chuck Payne wrote:

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{ATTENTION} Please pass this a long to your friends that this might effect/

Sorry for the cross post but I want to make sure everyone knows that we will be updating the Facebook following openSUSE Group.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=762429462#!/group.php?gid=2256834487

Once we update to the new group format, all currently a member will need to rejoin. We currently have over 5,500 members, and there is no

Chuck, I'm confused.

The page still says "This group is scheduled to be archived" - and I did not need to get re-added.

So, is the group now converted to the new format or not?

Andreas

Unfortunately, this is a big mess caused by Facebook themselves. Chuck and I have both re-read several times what the message from Facebook meant and the text is quite misleading. This email announcement was unfortunately premature and misleading (fault of Facebook for putting in vague text) because we cannot "re-join" but rather we can only join somewhere else. Read more below... Some time ago, Facebook introduced Pages (replacing the old Fan Pages) and encouraged large organizations to move from Groups to Pages. Many, including ourselves, chose to stick with Groups because of its flexibility that Pages didn't offer. Facebook is now taking a proactive strong-arm tactic to force those that should be on Pages to move from Groups. Therefore, as you re-read the text a few times you'll see its clear that while Facebook says they'll archive you unless you upgrade to the new Groups format, they are not allowing everyone to do that, including openSUSE. Therefore, there will be no new Group for Facebook for openSUSE, however we can choose to maintain the old group in its archived fashion. Simply put, Facebook rejects our Group because we are too large. To further add to this problem, we already have two openSUSE Pages that exist. Our Group has 5800 members. Our administrated Page has 2,200 Likes (members) and the other "openSuse" page that we don't administer (and no way to figure out who does) has 3,300 likes. Facebook does not offer any method to merge all three instances together into one unified Page. Furthermore, migrating from Group to Page (which is our only option) will force 5,800 members to re-join under the Page (a new URL). Others who have migrated from Groups to the new Page format have complained in the past that this resulted in an average of 60% loss of membership. That's a huge potential loss for those of us using Facebook to promote openSUSE. To make matters worse, we could assert our trademark rights to get the other Page over to us, but Facebook according to their documentation, will simply shut down that page. That will shut out 3,300 supporters of openSUSE who didn't know they were on the wrong Page to begin with. The math adds up to potential disaster here. I'm working on reaching out to Facebook to hopefully get them to offer some kind of backdoor solution that won't result in a harmful loss for us. But I need to think and choose my words carefully so their actions based on their existing strong arm policies don't adversely harm us. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 22:25 +0200, jdd wrote:

Le 27/05/2011 18:59, Bryen M. Yunashko a écrit :

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Unfortunately, this is a big mess caused by Facebook themselves. Chuck

frankly, I don't think you should so much bother on number of facebook "likes".

Simply adding the new page to the footnotes of our mailing listes for a limited time could do the job, and the people we loose on the mean time don't bother about openSUSE.

jdd (facebook user :-)

And now for my "frankly." :-) Frankly, I don't fully believe that. We have zero statistical evidence to prove that assumption or any other assumption. What I see on Facebook is quite simply (and again, based on assumption, not stats) is that this is yet another subset of users/supporters of openSUSE. We have people who follow on IRC, we have people who follow on mailing lists, we have people who follow on Forums, and we have people who follow on Facebook. Now, if we have different pockets of supporters out there, we cannot assume that those who are on Facebook follow mailing lists, can we? And from a marketing perspective, Facebook is a valuable tool to demonstrate that there is support for openSUSE. Cutting out those numbers through a process of passive weeding is not good for us. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Am 27.05.2011 22:32, schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:

Frankly, I don't fully believe that. We have zero statistical evidence to prove that assumption or any other assumption. What I see on Facebook is quite simply (and again, based on assumption, not stats) is that this is yet another subset of users/supporters of openSUSE. We have people who follow on IRC, we have people who follow on mailing lists, we have people who follow on Forums, and we have people who follow on Facebook.

Now, if we have different pockets of supporters out there, we cannot assume that those who are on Facebook follow mailing lists, can we?

And from a marketing perspective, Facebook is a valuable tool to demonstrate that there is support for openSUSE. Cutting out those numbers through a process of passive weeding is not good for us.

But we got news.o.o, haven´t we? So it might making sense to announce it there and let it go out over Twitter and some facebook sites. I think, jdd is right what the velocity of networks is. I mean, since there´s a new post by "openSUSE" on Facebook, I normally share the link or post on my profile too, If anyone, who is on facebook from us, do this with the announcement of the new group and the resign-in, we will handle it much more faster then "just" mark it on the mailing list -kdl -- Kim-Dennis Leyendecker openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Friday, May 27, 2011 06:59:21 PM Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

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On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 17:19 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Sunday, May 22, 2011 06:04:58 AM Chuck Payne wrote:

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{ATTENTION} Please pass this a long to your friends that this might effect/

Sorry for the cross post but I want to make sure everyone knows that we will be updating the Facebook following openSUSE Group.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=762429462#!/group.php?gid=225683 4487

Once we update to the new group format,  all currently a member  will need to rejoin. We currently have over 5,500 members, and there is no

Chuck, I'm confused.

The page still says "This group is scheduled to be archived" - and I did not need to get re-added.

So, is the group now converted to the new format or not?

Andreas

Unfortunately, this is a big mess caused by Facebook themselves.  Chuck and I have both re-read several times what the message from Facebook meant and the text is quite misleading.  This email announcement was unfortunately premature and misleading (fault of Facebook for putting in vague text) because we cannot "re-join" but rather we can only join somewhere else.  Read more below...

Some time ago, Facebook introduced Pages (replacing the old Fan Pages) and encouraged large organizations to move from Groups to Pages.  Many, including ourselves, chose to stick with Groups because of its flexibility that Pages didn't offer.    Facebook is now taking a proactive strong-arm tactic to force those that should be on Pages to move from Groups.

Therefore, as you re-read the text a few times you'll see its clear that while Facebook says they'll archive you unless you upgrade to the new Groups format, they are not allowing everyone to do that, including openSUSE.   Therefore, there will be no new Group for Facebook for openSUSE, however we can choose to maintain the old group in its archived fashion.  Simply put, Facebook rejects our Group because we are too large.

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What a mess. :-(

Since Chuck send out an announcement broadly that we switch the group, I suggest that we also send out an announcement that Facebook failed to do so ;-(

Bryen, thanks for trying to followup with Facebook on some of these points but let's make in the next days some kind of announcement on how to move forward and not wait forever.

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I sent out invitations to asking for help "show FB we're a group worth saving instead of decimating". - James Mason 'bear454' On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Chuck Payne wrote:

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Chuck Payne wrote:

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{ATTENTION} Please pass this a long to your friends that this might effect/

Sorry for the cross post but I want to make sure everyone knows that we will be updating the Facebook following openSUSE Group.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=762429462#!/group.php?gid=2256834487

Once we update to the new group format,  all currently a member  will need to rejoin. We currently have over 5,500 members, and there is no away I can re-add all. I want to make sure all know, that the group, isn't going away, but is being upgrade to the new format. This was not our choice, Facebook is archive all the old groups and forcing us to the new format. . While I know many may not be a member of Facebooks or this group. I want to make sure what all know about this change. If you have friends that use the group, please let them know.

I will be making this change tomorrow night at 02:00 UTC..

 Again, I am sorry to cross post, but I know a lot people don't sign up to all the list. Thanks you for your time.

Chuck Payne

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I have found away to upgrade our site. But I need you, the member to post a something, anythign our the group page. We  need over 300 members to post. Once we over that, we should be able upgrade our page. Again it can be anything, lets save our group.

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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM, James Mason wrote:

I sent out invitations to asking for help "show FB we're a group worth saving instead of decimating".

- James Mason 'bear454'

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Chuck Payne wrote:

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On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Chuck Payne wrote:

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{ATTENTION} Please pass this a long to your friends that this might effect/

Sorry for the cross post but I want to make sure everyone knows that we will be updating the Facebook following openSUSE Group.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=762429462#!/group.php?gid=2256834487

Once we update to the new group format,  all currently a member  will need to rejoin. We currently have over 5,500 members, and there is no away I can re-add all. I want to make sure all know, that the group, isn't going away, but is being upgrade to the new format. This was not our choice, Facebook is archive all the old groups and forcing us to the new format. . While I know many may not be a member of Facebooks or this group. I want to make sure what all know about this change. If you have friends that use the group, please let them know.

I will be making this change tomorrow night at 02:00 UTC..

 Again, I am sorry to cross post, but I know a lot people don't sign up to all the list. Thanks you for your time.

Chuck Payne

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Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD,  an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com.

I have found away to upgrade our site. But I need you, the member to post a something, anythign our the group page. We  need over 300 members to post. Once we over that, we should be able upgrade our page. Again it can be anything, lets save our group.

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On 2011-06-28 Guillaume wrote:

Hi,

What is the link for the new openSUSE group on Facebook? The link below does not work and there are so much openSUSE group on facebook.

Cheers,

Guillaume

Here it is: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2256834487 Should work. Invite your friends!!!!

Le 10/06/2011 10:49, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :

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On Thursday 09 June 2011 20:29:51 Chuck Payne wrote:

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On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Chuck Payne wrote:

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{ATTENTION} Please pass this a long to your friends that this might effect/

Sorry for the cross post but I want to make sure everyone knows that we will be updating the Facebook following openSUSE Group.

Just invited another 85 ppl ;-)

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http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=762429462#!/group.php?gid= 22568344 87

Once we update to the new group format, all currently a member will need to rejoin. We currently have over 5,500 members, and there is no away I can re-add all. I want to make sure all know, that the group, isn't going away, but is being upgrade to the new format. This was not our choice, Facebook is archive all the old groups and forcing us to the new format. . While I know many may not be a member of Facebooks or this group. I want to make sure what all know about this change. If you have friends that use the group, please let them know.

I will be making this change tomorrow night at 02:00 UTC..

Again, I am sorry to cross post, but I know a lot people don't sign

up to all the list. Thanks you for your time.

Chuck Payne

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Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com.

I have found away to upgrade our site. But I need you, the member to post a something, anythign our the group page. We need over 300 members to post. Once we over that, we should be able upgrade our page. Again it can be anything, lets save our group.