[opensuse-marketing] the openSUSE conference
Hi all! The openSUSE conference is not so far away now. It is really time to start talking about it. So, who's up for writing an article about why people should go there? If you've been to earlier conferences, you know what is good and cool about it. If you haven't been there but want to, I'm sure you also have ideas about it ;-) Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-) I've made a start here: http://piratepad.net/wJ2WiNfp7X Now this is not meant to be something perfect or great. It is about just getting a nice, enthousiastic article out on the conference. And make sure it is picked up by LWN and other tech sites ;-) Any contributions are welcome: just go in, add your name on top, say hi in the chat and we can see in the colors what you have done. Anyone who did about 10% or more will be put in as author of the article when I publish it on news.opensuse.org and submit it to other sites. I will not put myself as author in there so that 10% is without whatever I wrote or edited. I will also look at the history - if you wrote a paragraph but it got edited heavily and there's little left of your original text, you're still an important author. Bad english does NOT mean you didn't start that text and put in important content: editing is easy, writing original stuff is hard. So you'll be credited! You can either add things you think are important or matter, or just write such things together into sentences and paragraphs. Don't worry, others and myself will look at it later. I will do the final editing and put it live. Wanna do some writing? Do it here ;-) http://piratepad.net/wJ2WiNfp7X Other ideas on promoting the openSUSE conference are very much welcome. Once we post this article, I will need you all to tweet it, dent it, digg it and such to make sure it gets read by tens of thousands of people :D big hug, Jos
Le 31/08/2010 13:50, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
Yet An Other Collective Support sorry but I can't afford to use an other.. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 13:53:18 jdd wrote:
Le 31/08/2010 13:50, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
Yet An Other Collective Support
sorry but I can't afford to use an other..
Help me out here, I don't get what you mean. Neither on the 'yet another collective support' nor the you can't afford to use another...
jdd
Le 31/08/2010 16:00, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
Yet An Other Collective Support
sorry but I can't afford to use an other..
Help me out here, I don't get what you mean. Neither on the 'yet another collective support' nor the you can't afford to use another...
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Am Dienstag, den 31.08.2010, 22:32 +0200 schrieb jdd:
Le 31/08/2010 16:00, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
Yet An Other Collective Support
sorry but I can't afford to use an other..
Help me out here, I don't get what you mean. Neither on the 'yet another collective support' nor the you can't afford to use another...
wiki mailing list forum OBS users retro planet facebook myspace ...
enough
please use forum, mailing list or wiki for official communication jdd
are that some proposals for marketing conference? facebook exists! whole cfp team is admin for the event. How to do marketing with OBS I am very interested in, so tell me. and "official" communication we should use news.o.o br gnokii
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On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 23:06 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:
How to do marketing with OBS I am very interested in, so tell me.
I would probably put it this way: 1. Identify and triage your audience; the group of users or potential users who might be interested in OBS. 2. Get to know your audience; focus on which needs they need to be satisfied and which ones OBS satisfies, which are the most important. 3. Elaborate a communication plan aiming for your audience. 4. Deploy on field. That's pretty much as it gets, off course this can mean massive research work, which in our field is pretty much non-existing... but you always have the quantitative side of the thing, in which you can collect data from people you know that are users or can become potential users of OBS. About the communication plan, it focus on the following: 1. Presentation - Brief presentation of the organization which is promoting the product/service. In this case openSUSE/Novell. 2. Product/Service - The presentation of the product/service to be promoted. In this case, a presentation about OBS. 3. Analysis: Should contemplate the following (this is a generic approach, therefore you can freely modify this accordingly to your needs, this is typical marketing work): * Characterization of the clients that consume the category of the product or service to promote (social-demographic, psicographic and situational characteristics). * Information Processing: does the audience knows well, average or doesn't know the product/service? * Degree of involvement from the client with the product/service to promote. * Perceptions of the client facing the product or service and while facing the competitor products/services. 4. Goals - Define the goals to be reached with the Communication Plan and positioning (if the product/service already exists) or future (if the product/service doesn't exist or is changing positioning). 5. Target Audience - Selection and Identification of the target audience. 6. Message - Choosing the message (slogan, elevator pitch, 30 sec speech/images/video)... Consider several techniques and creativity strategies also. 7. Communication Mix - The components of the chosen 'communication mix' (specify the channels and means of communication). What goals to reach with each one of them and with the mix itself... Tactics adopted for each of them and why. 8. Other Considerations - some examples: * Is the internal audience involved on the plan (is openSUSE involved?) * Is the image coherent with the adopted positioning * Cultural differences - important if this is addressed to international community or to minorities. * Ethics - Does the plan follow ethical principals and is socially responsible (this means no Swedish girls in bikini on Iran or using children). * Legal Considerations - Do we have legislation to follow the communication campaign? Double importance on product/service. Are legal considerations respected ? This one of the tiny thingies that Marketing can provide. Need help? Feel free to bug me or eventually start a collaborative document so we can work this out and eventually adapt the process to future needs and document it. nelson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 01 Sep 2010 09:26:17 Nelson Marques wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 23:06 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:
How to do marketing with OBS I am very interested in, so tell me.
I would probably put it this way:
1. Identify and triage your audience; the group of users or potential users who might be interested in OBS. 2. Get to know your audience; focus on which needs they need to be satisfied and which ones OBS satisfies, which are the most important. 3. Elaborate a communication plan aiming for your audience. 4. Deploy on field.
That's pretty much as it gets, off course this can mean massive research work, which in our field is pretty much non-existing... but you always have the quantitative side of the thing, in which you can collect data from people you know that are users or can become potential users of OBS.
About the communication plan, it focus on the following:
1. Presentation - Brief presentation of the organization which is promoting the product/service. In this case openSUSE/Novell. 2. Product/Service - The presentation of the product/service to be promoted. In this case, a presentation about OBS. 3. Analysis: Should contemplate the following (this is a generic approach, therefore you can freely modify this accordingly to your needs, this is typical marketing work): * Characterization of the clients that consume the category of the product or service to promote (social-demographic, psicographic and situational characteristics). * Information Processing: does the audience knows well, average or doesn't know the product/service? * Degree of involvement from the client with the product/service to promote. * Perceptions of the client facing the product or service and while facing the competitor products/services. 4. Goals - Define the goals to be reached with the Communication Plan and positioning (if the product/service already exists) or future (if the product/service doesn't exist or is changing positioning). 5. Target Audience - Selection and Identification of the target audience. 6. Message - Choosing the message (slogan, elevator pitch, 30 sec speech/images/video)... Consider several techniques and creativity strategies also. 7. Communication Mix - The components of the chosen 'communication mix' (specify the channels and means of communication). What goals to reach with each one of them and with the mix itself... Tactics adopted for each of them and why. 8. Other Considerations - some examples: * Is the internal audience involved on the plan (is openSUSE involved?) * Is the image coherent with the adopted positioning * Cultural differences - important if this is addressed to international community or to minorities. * Ethics - Does the plan follow ethical principals and is socially responsible (this means no Swedish girls in bikini on Iran or using children). * Legal Considerations - Do we have legislation to follow the communication campaign? Double importance on product/service. Are legal considerations respected ?
This one of the tiny thingies that Marketing can provide. Need help? Feel free to bug me or eventually start a collaborative document so we can work this out and eventually adapt the process to future needs and document it.
nelson
Nelson, This is good stuff and and not just applicable to OBS, it should be up on the wiki Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 23:26:17 Nelson Marques wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 23:06 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:
How to do marketing with OBS I am very interested in, so tell me.
I would probably put it this way:
1. Identify and triage your audience; the group of users or potential users who might be interested in OBS. 2. Get to know your audience; focus on which needs they need to be satisfied and which ones OBS satisfies, which are the most important. 3. Elaborate a communication plan aiming for your audience. 4. Deploy on field.
That's pretty much as it gets, off course this can mean massive research work, which in our field is pretty much non-existing... but you always have the quantitative side of the thing, in which you can collect data from people you know that are users or can become potential users of OBS.
About the communication plan, it focus on the following:
1. Presentation - Brief presentation of the organization which is promoting the product/service. In this case openSUSE/Novell. 2. Product/Service - The presentation of the product/service to be promoted. In this case, a presentation about OBS. 3. Analysis: Should contemplate the following (this is a generic approach, therefore you can freely modify this accordingly to your needs, this is typical marketing work): * Characterization of the clients that consume the category of the product or service to promote (social-demographic, psicographic and situational characteristics). * Information Processing: does the audience knows well, average or doesn't know the product/service? * Degree of involvement from the client with the product/service to promote. * Perceptions of the client facing the product or service and while facing the competitor products/services. 4. Goals - Define the goals to be reached with the Communication Plan and positioning (if the product/service already exists) or future (if the product/service doesn't exist or is changing positioning). 5. Target Audience - Selection and Identification of the target audience. 6. Message - Choosing the message (slogan, elevator pitch, 30 sec speech/images/video)... Consider several techniques and creativity strategies also. 7. Communication Mix - The components of the chosen 'communication mix' (specify the channels and means of communication). What goals to reach with each one of them and with the mix itself... Tactics adopted for each of them and why. 8. Other Considerations - some examples: * Is the internal audience involved on the plan (is openSUSE involved?) * Is the image coherent with the adopted positioning * Cultural differences - important if this is addressed to international community or to minorities. * Ethics - Does the plan follow ethical principals and is socially responsible (this means no Swedish girls in bikini on Iran or using children). * Legal Considerations - Do we have legislation to follow the communication campaign? Double importance on product/service. Are legal considerations respected ?
This one of the tiny thingies that Marketing can provide. Need help? Feel free to bug me or eventually start a collaborative document so we can work this out and eventually adapt the process to future needs and document it.
Looks good, could indeed be part of the wiki - how to plan around a certain topic or something. Meanwhile, planning is useless if there is no execution - the only thing that really counts is RESULT, not a great plan. And for the openSUSE conference we have little if anything. We can plan all day but if writing a little article about it is not something anyone is interested in I doubt it is useful to create plans. So I'd like to repeat my call to edit the doc: http://piratepad.net/wJ2WiNfp7X I know francisco ariasI has added a few things already, points for him. I don't want to put down planning efforts or strategic stuff - but it doesn't lead to anything if there is no execution and I have seen great plans catch dust in FOSS a few times to many. I therefor personally prefer to just *start working*. U with me?
nelson
(2010/09/01 5:32), jdd wrote:
Le 31/08/2010 16:00, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
Yet An Other Collective Support
sorry but I can't afford to use an other..
Help me out here, I don't get what you mean. Neither on the 'yet another collective support' nor the you can't afford to use another...
wiki mailing list forum OBS users retro planet facebook myspace ...
enough
please use forum, mailing list or wiki for official communication
Well, each channel has its own advantages and disadvantages. We can effectively use forums and mailing lists when we focus on one particular topic, but once the topic branches into plural sub-topics (it will frequently occur when we are discussing), the course of the story would often be mixter-maxter and people would get fed up with following the thread. Meanwhile, wiki is a good place for publishing the summaries or conclusions of discussions, but isn't the best place for brainstorming. Of course the information should be concentrated as far as possible, but I understand Jos want a better place for brainstorming where we can get a quick overview of the current state of the discussions. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 22:32:18 jdd wrote:
Le 31/08/2010 16:00, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
Yet An Other Collective Support
sorry but I can't afford to use an other..
Help me out here, I don't get what you mean. Neither on the 'yet another collective support' nor the you can't afford to use another...
wiki mailing list forum OBS users retro planet facebook myspace ...
enough
please use forum, mailing list or wiki for official communication
This is not for official communication, it is to create a document quickly with a bunch of people. A wiki does not allow concurrent editing. A forum, mailinglist or any of the othe techs you mention are either hard to use for this or just impossible. You only need a webbrowser to help out, I don't see how this is hard. The end result will obviously end up on news.opensuse.org and maybe in other places - depending on how much help we get.
jdd
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 13:50:06 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Hi all!
The openSUSE conference is not so far away now. It is really time to start talking about it. So, who's up for writing an article about why people should go there? If you've been to earlier conferences, you know what is good and cool about it. If you haven't been there but want to, I'm sure you also have ideas about it ;-)
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
I've made a start here: http://piratepad.net/wJ2WiNfp7X
Amazing work all of you! Currently the list of credits is: Bruno Friedmann Chuck Payne Fransisco Arias Gnokii Helen South Javier Llorente Especially Helen South deserves some recognition, she did a lot of work and I appreciate that greatly! I have re-arranged a few things, and think this is (almost) ready to be put on news.opensuse.org. If you feel like adding some things - go ahead on http://piratepad.net/wJ2WiNfp7X Soon the conference program will be ready, and that will of course also trigger a news article. So this is a good start for the stream of news we should be churning out for openSUSE conference! Anyone has other ideas or is willing to do something to get openSUSE conference to be in the news? Once the conference program is out - it'd be good if we could write a bit about the talks and workshops users can expect at the conference. It's not difficult work - take the description available, seek around to add some info and/or contact the author to tell a bit more about what he/she is to talk about and - dang, a new article. You can count on me and a few others here to review such an article so it doesn't have to be perfect. Germanglish, Spanglish, Itaenglish or other variations of english are no problemo for us :D Any takers for that? Cheers, Jos
Especially Helen South deserves some recognition, she did a lot of work and I appreciate that greatly!
Oh thanks Jos that's sweet of you to say so. Though of course I was just building on the ideas already there, rewriting a bit so I'm probably getting more credit than I deserve :) Also whoever did the Wiki page with the call for papers did a good job of outlining the key areas the conference covers so I used that as a guide.
Once the conference program is out - it'd be good if we could write a bit about the talks and workshops users can expect at the conference. It's not difficult work - take the description available, seek around to add some info and/or contact the author to tell a bit more about what he/she is to talk about and - dang, a new article.
Any takers for that?
I'd be more than happy to do some work on that, do you want to start a pirate pad and make it collaborative too? I have limited technical knowledge so that way of working is great for me. cheers, Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 01:23:21 Helen wrote:
Especially Helen South deserves some recognition, she did a lot of work and I appreciate that greatly!
Oh thanks Jos that's sweet of you to say so. Though of course I was just building on the ideas already there, rewriting a bit so I'm probably getting more credit than I deserve :)
Also whoever did the Wiki page with the call for papers did a good job of outlining the key areas the conference covers so I used that as a guide.
Once the conference program is out - it'd be good if we could write a bit about the talks and workshops users can expect at the conference. It's not difficult work - take the description available, seek around to add some info and/or contact the author to tell a bit more about what he/she is to talk about and - dang, a new article.
Any takers for that?
I'd be more than happy to do some work on that, do you want to start a pirate pad and make it collaborative too? I have limited technical knowledge so that way of working is great for me.
Appologies for the late reply. Bryen has taken on this job and is now waiting for the conference site to have the abstracts. Vincent Untz and Gnokii promised to get those up there today or tomorrow, so this weekend Bryen will have a piratepad with the list of main topics, links to the abstracts and links to a piratepad for each topic (and if he doesn't have time I'll help out). So then it'll be simply opening one of the pirate pads on a topic that interests you and you can go ahead and start writing, based on the abstract. You'd be wise to check the speaker's blog or their projects website and maybe contact them for some up to date info. Thanks for offering to help out!
cheers, Helen
Moin, On Monday 06 September 2010 14:36:37 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 13:50:06 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Hi all!
The openSUSE conference is not so far away now. It is really time to start talking about it. So, who's up for writing an article about why people should go there? If you've been to earlier conferences, you know what is good and cool about it. If you haven't been there but want to, I'm sure you also have ideas about it ;-)
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
I've made a start here: http://piratepad.net/wJ2WiNfp7X good piece of work. Gnokii, Klaas and myself set up the conference page (of course its a tool in reality) here: http://conference.opensu.se/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=0
We gave it today some polish and more content and should switch it live with the your announcement. Please have a look at it and give feedback. Thanks Michael
Amazing work all of you!
Currently the list of credits is: Bruno Friedmann Chuck Payne Fransisco Arias Gnokii Helen South Javier Llorente
Especially Helen South deserves some recognition, she did a lot of work and I appreciate that greatly!
I have re-arranged a few things, and think this is (almost) ready to be put on news.opensuse.org.
If you feel like adding some things - go ahead on http://piratepad.net/wJ2WiNfp7X
Soon the conference program will be ready, and that will of course also trigger a news article. So this is a good start for the stream of news we should be churning out for openSUSE conference!
Anyone has other ideas or is willing to do something to get openSUSE conference to be in the news? Once the conference program is out - it'd be good if we could write a bit about the talks and workshops users can expect at the conference. It's not difficult work - take the description available, seek around to add some info and/or contact the author to tell a bit more about what he/she is to talk about and - dang, a new article. You can count on me and a few others here to review such an article so it doesn't have to be perfect. Germanglish, Spanglish, Itaenglish or other variations of english are no problemo for us :D
Any takers for that?
Cheers, Jos
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On 09/07/2010 06:36 PM, Michael Loeffler wrote:
Moin, On Monday 06 September 2010 14:36:37 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 13:50:06 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Hi all!
The openSUSE conference is not so far away now. It is really time to start talking about it. So, who's up for writing an article about why people should go there? If you've been to earlier conferences, you know what is good and cool about it. If you haven't been there but want to, I'm sure you also have ideas about it ;-)
Of course you don't have to write alone: I've set up an Etherpad. No surprise there ;-)
I've made a start here: http://piratepad.net/wJ2WiNfp7X good piece of work. Gnokii, Klaas and myself set up the conference page (of course its a tool in reality) here: http://conference.opensu.se/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=0
We gave it today some polish and more content and should switch it live with the your announcement. Please have a look at it and give feedback.
Thanks Michael
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A couple of thoughts about the current etherpad document for the conference. I'm not sure that 'one size fits all' and wonder if I could develop a second document; have this one as it's current broad, general coverage with a little more beginner explanation, for 'general use' and beginner or general news sites, and develop a second more targetted to advanced users with coding knowledge/sysadmins/developers. A clearer idea of where the document is to be used would help to keep the wording on target. (my impression when we started was a sort of advertising brochure). As I said, I'm happy to develop a separate document if this would be helpful. I was thinking about this because a lot of the stuff singing the praises of openSUSE or explaining tech terms is somewhat superfluous to advanced users - they will want to focus on the more hands-on stuff and the bleeding edge tech. Beginner users: Jos mentions explaining some points (eg upstream) for newbies. I'm not seeing a lot of content on the conference topics for beginners; sometimes it's hard to tell what the intended audience is for a topic by the title, so if someone could have a look at that, it would help. In the current document, we have 'bug fixing' as 'easy' - to me anyone who can fix bugs isn't a linux noobie! To me someone who can fix code is advanced. So it might be helpful to clarify whether the amateur home user non-programmer will want to attend. (Personally as someone interested in Free Software and community development, yes; but this is different to the home user who just wants to play with new software or find out how to put Conky on his system.) !!! PLEASE ----- Could someone have a scan through the presenters list and make a note of any keynote/important speakers or interesting personalities who should be mentioned. If you would list these for me (along with a short line on who they are if you like), I can do a quick google for some background on them too. I'm just heading out for half an hour, when I get back I'll have the whole day available to work on this so if you'd like to point me in the right direction, hopefully I can churn out some good useful text while you sleep! thanks! Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 09.09.2010 00:56, Helen wrote:
A couple of thoughts about the current etherpad document for the conference.
I'm not sure that 'one size fits all' and wonder if I could develop a second document; have this one as it's current broad, general coverage with a little more beginner explanation, for 'general use' and beginner or general news sites, and develop a second more targetted to advanced users with coding knowledge/sysadmins/developers.
A clearer idea of where the document is to be used would help to keep the wording on target. (my impression when we started was a sort of advertising brochure).
Yes, we need to agree on one document/audience. Currently we desperately (by tomorrow) need the announcement text that is going out as initial piece about the conference. This text needs to do 3 things: 1. Tell the world in the first 200 words whats happening 2. Tell people that got their interest sparked details about the conference programm 3. Tell people that decide then and there that they want to come what they need to know. The standard questions like: Who/What/Where/When/Why/How Everything else we can do after that. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Yes, we need to agree on one document/audience. Currently we desperately (by tomorrow) need the announcement text that is going out as initial piece about the conference. This text needs to do 3 things:
1. Tell the world in the first 200 words whats happening
Henne
I added a short intro today, initially I accidentally used names from 2009 conference! So I just took them out and left the space, maybe someone can add key names from this conference. Unfortunately I don't really know 'whos who' yet. I also picked out some representative topics, you might want to take a look at the program and add any important ones that I overlooked. cheers Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
bones of an article on build service http://piratepad.net/DWALeHTOnL Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 09 September 2010 15:07:13 Helen wrote:
bones of an article on build service
http://piratepad.net/DWALeHTOnL
Helen
Sorry for not seeing this earlier. I started some work on the doc that suseROCKs started: http://piratepad.net/HSyyOrkz6q And created a priratepad for writing about... surprise... buildservice ;-) So I have put all that stuff into yours and removed mine :D Also wrote some stuff. Thanks for your work, keep it up :D Cheers, Jos
helen, Great job. I've left a small note on this and I will present it here also. Line 70 paragraph of your text: "The openSUSE Build Service is 'distro agnostic' - you don't even need to be running openSUSE to use it. Users can access the Build Service through a user-friendly webinterface or through a Python based subversion-like command line client called OSC. " I'm actually using OSC on Fedora 13 and not on openSUSE, I know it works wonderfully, but there's is a big issue with it: 1. RPM dependencies (xdg) do provide great coalitions with Fedora 13. Though this can be overrided on installation with '--nodeps' or '--replacefiles' for the openSUSE provided package to install, this won't be faced by the Fedora users as a good thing and might generate some negative synergies/reviews. 2. If you use the method above (ex: --force), you will shatter the Fedora update system when there are xdg updates, rendering your system unable to update. This once more can be avoided if we blacklist the Fedora xdg package to be updated. This once more feels like a cheap hammering solution. Works for me, but might produce negative reviews on potential Fedora users. I am not aware on how it works on other distros. I would probably approach the topic on a more cautious way, like 'we are working to integrate OSC with other platforms'. Something that would generate interest, but that wouldn't take users to believe that it's just adding a repository and install it. At least with Fedora 13 it doesnt go that way. That's just a personal experience I find you should be aware of. Nelson. On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 23:07 +1000, Helen wrote:
bones of an article on build service
http://piratepad.net/DWALeHTOnL
Helen
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Thanks for the heads-up on this, Nelson. This sounds like quite a problem and even though you've made it work for you, not the ease-of-use experience we want for users and as you say, could generate some negative reviews. I'll make some edits. I was trying to come up with a general non-technical introduction based on research of the wikis and various blogs - learning as I go! - and the next step is to ask some users about their experiences. My knowledge level basically enables me to write for a non-technical desktop user like myself, 'linux newbie' or Windows user interested in coming over to the Dark Side, and to tidy up the English grammar expression of more technical writers. There are very distinct audiences here. I notice at the 2009 conference there was a Free Software Day open day for newbies - anything like that happening at 2010? Also, I couldn't find any mention of social events. cheers Helen On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@gmail.com> wrote:
helen,
I'm actually using OSC on Fedora 13 and not on openSUSE, I know it works wonderfully, but there's is a big issue with it: ...... <snip>
I am not aware on how it works on other distros. I would probably approach the topic on a more cautious way, like 'we are working to integrate OSC with other platforms'. Something that would generate interest, but that wouldn't take users to believe that it's just adding a repository and install it. At least with Fedora 13 it doesnt go that way.
That's just a personal experience I find you should be aware of.
Nelson.
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