Hello, Thank you Francoise. I think Jos did that for last year's conference. Couldn't find it though. If someone else (or Jos) remembers it, maybe he/she can add it here (just to check some guidelines). Some who couldn't come and want to help, they have to know what's up. I kind of merge some replies from your last mail.

1. Izabel asked about a "marketing Strategy", and apparently, the word strategy is not appreciate that much (according to Richard).

so ... guide line ? a kinda direction ? other word ?

First of all, what strategy mean? What we should focus? Something else? Also marketing sounds commercial like it's a company or something. We are community. Example is GNOME that changed the "title" to engagement. What is the subjects that someone can do as marketing team member? First of all, everything have to be added to the wiki Portal https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Marketing so everyone will be aware of what we do. 1. Write news and spread the word to social media channels. 2. Write articles for magazines and blogs. Maybe merge lizards and have it like huge community blog or something. 3. Press releases and respond to press queries 4. Release notes and release campaigns 5. Beta and Release Parties 6. Websites and wiki pages 7. Regular meetings (let's say once a month?) for future actions 8. Cooperate with artwork team to ask for anything that marketing needs. 9. Organize openSUSE presence at conferences and give talks Do we need the advocate program. It's a huge difference to have a title and promote openSUSE to conference (that's not organized by openSUSE). We need people to act. A long time ago I sent a proposal to 3 people for that program http://goo.gl/xMT0FK Nothing happened. Actually there's need of one person per country to send him the promo materials and then he can forward them to the events, LUGs, hackerspaces etc. But since now we have a committee for promo materials, we should make some rules for that.

2. Richard as a board member told us that the year coming priority is to get more contributors in openSUSE. The question is how ??

(And he talked about the website would need a refresh ... but the SUSE designer team have no time ...)

Personally I think we have to focus what we want to do with the community. I mean do we want to go to events and try to focus on new users and bring them to openSUSE? Do we need to focus on advanced users? Please check Jos' presentation at oSC14 and you'll see what I mean. New users...all the way!!! First, try to create strong local communities, of users and people who want to engage with the community and then try to join the global events. Bring fresh people. Usually you can find them in Universities/Schools (maybe we should turn the advocate program to university advocate program). Of course you can join openSUSE conference, but please go to every possible presentation and bring the information back to your country. Present it to local community. If there's not one, join a LUG and try to make some gatherings there. I know that might be difficult but it works. See Jos' presentation at oSC14 about how to do that. Some ideas: 1. Try to create events such as openSUSE nights. A 5hours event at your LUG/hackerspace. The first 2 hours can be a presentation of 1 hour (everyone can do a presentation about a project) and the other 3 hours can be hands on. Try workshops. Try to learn a new programming language and push them to join GSoC or OPW (both give 5500$). Try the new openSUSE version and report bugs. 2. Try a fun night with openSUSE beers. You can go to drink beer. You can go with your friends but this time name it openSUSE beers. Bring new people and show them that we have fun. Discuss openSUSE related subjects. Do brainstorm and provide us for some new awesome ideas.

3. According to me (each one can add his own point of vue), marketing is not only a mission of "being visible" but "being attractiv"

Example : ok for OSC pictures all over the web, but I am not sure that an empty conference room is a good thing

same for articles or news ... which are necessary and I think that for ex Yorgo (Greece) and Jos do a great job - or did ? will go on doing ? Zvebor told that you did not have the time to write the article for OSC ? And Robert (when Isazel asked) said that Jos will go on writing openSUSE news. So ?

Sure it's not attractive. I guess there are 2 ways to show more people. Either you have smaller room or invite more to come. To do so, I guess we have to book the keynote speakers early. They have to be attractive to the people (like rock stars-legends). The program has to be ready early. Even if it's not 100% ready, people have to know what they will see, so they can attend. Local communities have to promote the conference to target audience. Target audience is a computer science students. They expect to see that openSUSE linux is easy to use, how to use it, it's not only software but people, the community like to have fun, we go to conferences to learn new things (sneak peak of the presentations), meet with people and have fun. I did it last year and I got 30-40 registrations (I also sent them follow up e-mail. Actually registration to OSEM is still tricky. People is used to register to a site and that's it. Here they have to register to the site for their account and then register to the event). Well, as said before, we should make some noise with articles. Articles for newbies and for advanced users. That way we can attract more people. Ideas: OMG SUSE (or OMG openSUSE), world of openSUSE, Lizards corner Along with that, we should gather every possible picture from events, conferences and create a beautiful album. Do you think that can happen to Google + or Facebook? Or some other infra? I know we have some to Flickr and mainly G+. But we should gather them all together. Like the Youtube channel. Well, I might write something more next. That's for now. Take care, Stathis -- http://about.me/iosifidis http://linkedin.eiosifidis.info/ http://www.eiosifidis.info http://gnome.eiosifidis.info http://www.gnome.gr http://www.opensuse.gr Great leaders don't tell you what to do...They show you how it's done. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts...absolutely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/05/14 20:41, Jasna Benčić wrote:

Motivation is a key point for new folks.

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On 06/05/14 20:44, Efstathios Iosifidis wrote:

Either you have smaller room or invite more to come. To do so, I guess we have to book the keynote speakers early. They have to be attractive to the people (like rock stars-legends). The program has to be ready early. Even if it's not 100% ready, people have to know what they will see, so they can attend.

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2014-05-06 21:52 GMT+02:00 Sarah Julia Kriesch :

Am 06.05.2014 21:21, schrieb Françoise Wybrecht:

...

On 06/05/14 20:44, Efstathios Iosifidis wrote:

...

New users...all the way!!!

just about users :

A few month ago, I went to see a conference made by François Elie (he is very ACTIVE in France)

and for the first time since 10 years I use (and contribute for) openSource, I deeply understood that linux communities will have a lot of problems ...

not because users are missing, but developpers ...

the priority for the future is contributors (as most are already surbooked)

and when the distro is great, users will arrive as bees on flowers ;-)

thanks a lot for your long mail Stathis, I'll read it carefully xx

Yes. Communities need developers. I know, that I have got the wrong IT education for that (Computer Science Expert for System Integration). After my education I have written some mails, whether somebody would need me. My solution was: studying Computer Science besides the job I can do that as a Computer Science Expert.

Personally I think we have to focus what we want to do with the community. I mean do we want to go to events and try to focus on new users and bring them to openSUSE? Do we need to focus on advanced users? Please check Jos' presentation at oSC14 and you'll see what I mean. New users...all the way!!!

First, try to create strong local communities, of users and people who want to engage with the community and then try to join the global events. Bring fresh people. Usually you can find them in Universities/Schools (maybe we should turn the advocate program to university advocate program). Of course you can join openSUSE conference, but please go to every possible presentation and bring the information back to your country. Present it to local community. If there's not one, join a LUG and try to make some gatherings there. I know that might be difficult but it works. See Jos' presentation at oSC14 about how to do that.

Some ideas: 1. Try to create events such as openSUSE nights. A 5hours event at your LUG/hackerspace. The first 2 hours can be a presentation of 1 hour (everyone can do a presentation about a project) and the other 3 hours can be hands on. Try workshops. Try to learn a new programming language and push them to join GSoC or OPW (both give 5500$). Try the new openSUSE version and report bugs.

2. Try a fun night with openSUSE beers. You can go to drink beer. You can go with your friends but this time name it openSUSE beers. Bring new people and show them that we have fun. Discuss openSUSE related subjects. Do brainstorm and provide us for some new awesome ideas.

That's, what I am doing in Karlsruhe and at different places in Germany. Do you want to have only university students in the community? Most of them are beginners in programming and need more practice. I can see the difference between all (programmers, system administrators, supporter, newbies in computer science, ...) in our courses and learning groups. Most of them are very motivated. GSoC besides full-time job, part-time studying and community activities? How should I do that?

I have found interested software developers with experience in a LUG. One is registered as an Advocate. But he doesnt know, how he can become a linux developer. You can use the idea with mentoring by Jasna there. But who should become a mentor for a lot of interested software developers? They need some help to start, but you need enough people, who can do that.

That's true, if you have lots of people you need more mentors. That rarely happens in real open source projects :D I haven't seen it yet but I'd like to. :)) Mentors should be experienced people who lead some project/s but only if they have time and place for that. Those people have to know how to work with people as well i.e. leadership skills are more than welcome. Outreach Program for Women is a good example where you have a lot of interested people at once, Linux kernel internship in that program to be more precise. You have several offered projects and many Linux kernel mentors who are reviewing patches and giving feedback. This lasts for some time and afterwards the best folks are chosen to be interns either at Linux Foundation either at Intel. Similar can be done elsewhere, give several projects that are not related to production code but are still related to the project where you want them one day to help you. That's why at Linux kernel internship people first start with staging tree which has the most ugliest code as Greg Kroah-Hartman likes to say. But it is a start. If mentor can't be present or there is a lack of them then at least there should be thorough instructions for self assesment. And there is plenty tutorials on the Internet so people just have to take the material and start learning. Yeah, motivation is a problem here as well but hey not all the time will be someone present. People should motivate themselves with something. If they really want to learn something they'll find a way otherwise everything will remain in one transparent bubble called short term enthusiasm. The best and the most scary method to really start (if someone is ready) is to involve into an open source project even if person has no clue about it but she'll learn it along the way. Walking through fire is the most difficult part but that's where you actually learn to swim.

Best regards, Sarah

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On 06/05/14 21:52, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:

Yes. Communities need developers. I know, that I have got the wrong IT education for that (Computer Science Expert for System Integration).

Hi Sarah, I wouln't say "wrong" ... who knows ? A community is a "humans system", and each competency can be useless one day or another. But if nobody know what you studied, then it's a pity.

I have found interested software developers with experience in a LUG. One is registered as an Advocate. But he doesnt know, how he can become a linux developer. You can use the idea with mentoring by Jasna there.

you chose a perfect example : if he wish to become a developper, he'll just have to learn programmation bases for 2 to 4 years. No mentor will do this ... It would be a waste of time, a waste of energy, a waste of resources ... if he wish to integrate a linux community (sharing), then a mentor could tell him : that many communities need advocate competencies (for example Racketiciel in France - they help users to go to the justice when they were forced to buy a PC with windows for example all the linux groups and websites when they give interviews or write articles about open softs etc. to be careful on how things are written)

Most of them are very motivated. GSoC besides full-time job, part-time studying and community activities? How should I do that?

I do think it's not a question of quantity, but quality. What you wrote here is great ... As an example, you could meet an advocate or a journalist, and say here in the marketing liste : I met ... his/her profile is blabla ... would you have a suggestion how he/she could help openSUSE community ? For me, a mentor IS NOT a teacher or a training animator, but more a guide/resource

But who should become a mentor for a lot of interested software developers? They need some help to start, but you need enough people, who can do that.

Nobody ... or that person would be ++ pretentious and uncompetent (as in education, methematics teachers said : it's easy to write programs lol ... oups or around 1995, a lot of website were done by my cousin or a nephew ... great result !! ;-)) A mentor is not a teacher ... The mentor ask you (when you arrive in a community) what are your skills, motivation and your available time, for ex. He is just like an experience guide (on community process experience, on how to get an information = if I do not know, who can answer ?, on how to modelize success instead of trying to restart each time from 0) if you have never walked, he will not suggest you to climb fast the Everest, saying : "GO, JUST DO IT". So Stathis, yes I agree that community is not an enterprise and I agree too with "having fun", smiling, being just happy, and mostly being free (please no boss) but a community is a human system (not just a distribution) it's a balance challenge ... a challenge like : what can we do with the resources we already have inside the community ... I mean ... if a contributor, a developper, a user, an advocate or a designer, a teacher, a student does not feel welcome (or have fun), espacially in a non paid system, he will simply go next door, to another community. As simple as that ... For me, this is exactly marketing : being attractive sorry for the blabla ... It's not easy to explain in 3 lines ... and just one more : a card winner, is not the one who need great cards to win, but the one who can win even with bad cards (not only for poker). so finally ... openSUSE marketing (or other word Stathis), for me, would be : being attractive welcome any contributors (and mentoring) check openSUSE unused resources and of course writing quality articles and showing great pictures too, and talking around ... opening eyes and mind Have to run rl now lol tc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

I'd like to create and maintain openSUSE conference fan page on Facebook because I haven't found one unless I have missed it. If you give me permission for that and if you would consider it to take it as an official fan page on Facebook for conference instead of creating short term event pages let me know. I can start with this in June after http://2014.dorscluc.org/en/ conference regards 2014-05-07 11:25 GMT+02:00 Henne Vogelsang :

Hey,

On 06.05.2014 17:30, Françoise Wybrecht wrote:

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any answer ? Ideas ? Any others things said I did miss ?

We're talking about this topic for the 100th time now. For the 100th time we will come up with 100 good ideas what we can do. And each and every time nobody will do them afterward.

How about we go about this differently this time? 5 simple steps:

1. Grab a coffee, a piece of paper and a pen. Find a quiet place outside to sit down. 2. Write down all the things YOU think need to be done for openSUSE marketing 3. Take a walk for 15 minutes and think about which of the things you just wrote down would be most fun to do for YOU. 4. Write a mail to this list about what YOU are going to do 5. YOU go do it and keep this list informed about progress.

Henne

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Hey, On 07.05.2014 13:04, Jasna Benčić wrote:

I'd like to create and maintain openSUSE conference fan page on Facebook because I haven't found one unless I have missed it.

Is that what you are looking for? https://www.facebook.com/events/581478758605508/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Hey Jasna, On 07.05.2014 14:03, Jasna Benčić wrote:

That is the event page where you invite everyone and it is valid only for an event that it is created for in this case oSC14.

I meant the actual fan page for e.g. https://www.facebook.com/TheLinuxFoundation this is much stronger and you can use it to build audience for conference and openSUSE in general but mostly for conference in this case.

On fan pages you can create event as a part of that fan page where you invite everyone that follows your page/likes your page.

Ah so something general, sorry I'm not very familiar with facebook terms... I would only like to give you one thing to think about: At least for twitter, the separation of @openSUSE and @openSUSEConf hurts us a lot, I think. We often post great content on @openSUSEConf which doesn't end up on @openSUSE. This is bad for @openSUSE because it's missing out on the great content and bad for the conference because the great content is not shared with the 26.000 people who follow @openSUSE but only with the 439 followers of @openSUSEConf. So you have to have a content strategy that spans both "pages" or you have a strategy how you can place conference related content onto the main page without becoming too spammy. I imagine this could be the same for facebook. Just my 2 lipe... Now go an make something happen, don't let me stop you! :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Le 07/05/2014 14:39, Jasna Benčić a écrit :

Okay Henne, I'll think about it and If I don't find official openSUSE fan page on Facebook then it would be good to do what you actually suggest - one page for everything. That way I can kill 2 flies with one shot. For now I haven't find it but I'll check better later. There were only pages that lead to Wikipedia which is not something to follow.

there are several openSUSE fan pages on Facebook, for example: https://www.facebook.com/groups/opensuseproject/ but not than I know for conference. It would nice IMHO to have one, because reports could be boring for the general fan page, and anyway after the end of one event, the page loose interest after some months and can be used for next one jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

I'll think about everything, weigh pros and cons etc... conference page was my first intention but I'll see... as I wrote I can start on this in June. We'll be in touch. 2014-05-07 14:49 GMT+02:00 Jasna Benčić :

That is a group, not fan page :)

2014-05-07 14:47 GMT+02:00 jdd :

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Le 07/05/2014 14:39, Jasna Benčić a écrit :

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Okay Henne, I'll think about it and If I don't find official openSUSE fan page on Facebook then it would be good to do what you actually suggest - one page for everything. That way I can kill 2 flies with one shot. For now I haven't find it but I'll check better later. There were only pages that lead to Wikipedia which is not something to follow.

there are several openSUSE fan pages on Facebook, for example:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/opensuseproject/

but not than I know for conference.

It would nice IMHO to have one, because reports could be boring for the general fan page, and anyway after the end of one event, the page loose interest after some months and can be used for next one

jdd

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2014-05-07 15:54 GMT+03:00 Henne Vogelsang :

Hey,

On 07.05.2014 14:39, Jasna Benčić wrote:

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Okay Henne, I'll think about it and If I don't find official openSUSE fan page on Facebook

You should be able to find it here:

https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Social_media_contacts

I guess it's this one: https://www.facebook.com/pages/openSUSE/45393742283

...

then it would be good to do what you actually suggest - one page for everything.

Even if it exists already it still needs people sharing stuff, maintaining it, filling it with life. Maybe you can help with that.

+1

Henne

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On 07/05/14 11:25, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

5. YOU go do it and keep this list informed about progress.

Henne

hi Henné oh oups ... I did write a mail this morning (following a good jasna idea ... the mentoring) - saying Marketing IS not saying : do it, do it, but first analysing how the community could be more attractive and I did 2 suggestions for the booth PS : marketing is not just sending booth material or saying : do, do, do, pictures, do news ... (ok I did send the video link to a 120000 ppl group, but this is not marketing for me, just a ponctual todo) regards ;-) Françoise On 06/05/14 21:52, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:

Yes. Communities need developers. I know, that I have got the wrong IT education for that (Computer Science Expert for System Integration).

Hi Sarah, I wouln't say "wrong" ... who knows ? A community is a "humans system", and each competency can be useless one day or another. But if nobody know what you studied, then it's a pity.

I have found interested software developers with experience in a LUG. One is registered as an Advocate. But he doesnt know, how he can become a linux developer. You can use the idea with mentoring by Jasna there.

you chose a perfect example : if he wish to become a developper, he'll just have to learn programmation bases for 2 to 4 years. No mentor will do this ... It would be a waste of time, a waste of energy, a waste of resources ... if he wish to integrate a linux community (sharing), then a mentor could tell him : that many communities need advocate competencies (for example Racketiciel in France - they help users to go to the justice when they were forced to buy a PC with windows for example all the linux groups and websites when they give interviews or write articles about open softs etc. to be careful on how things are written)

Most of them are very motivated. GSoC besides full-time job, part-time studying and community activities? How should I do that?

I do think it's not a question of quantity, but quality. What you wrote here is great ... As an example, you could meet an advocate or a journalist, and say here in the marketing liste : I met ... his/her profile is blabla ... would you have a suggestion how he/she could help openSUSE community ? For me, a mentor IS NOT a teacher or a training animator, but more a guide/resource

But who should become a mentor for a lot of interested software developers? They need some help to start, but you need enough people, who can do that.

Nobody ... or that person would be ++ pretentious and uncompetent (as in education, methematics teachers said : it's easy to write programs lol ... oups or around 1995, a lot of website were done by my cousin or a nephew ... great result !! ;-)) A mentor is not a teacher ... The mentor ask you (when you arrive in a community) what are your skills, motivation and your available time, for ex. He is just like an experience guide (on community process experience, on how to get an information = if I do not know, who can answer ?, on how to modelize success instead of trying to restart each time from 0) if you have never walked, he will not suggest you to climb fast the Everest, saying : "GO, JUST DO IT". So Stathis, yes I agree that community is not an enterprise and I agree too with "having fun", smiling, being just happy, and mostly being free (please no boss) but a community is a human system (not just a distribution) it's a balance challenge ... a challenge like : what can we do with the resources we already have inside the community ... I mean ... if a contributor, a developper, a user, an advocate or a designer, a teacher, a student does not feel welcome (or have fun), espacially in a non paid system, he will simply go next door, to another community. As simple as that ... For me, this is exactly marketing : being attractive sorry for the blabla ... It's not easy to explain in 3 lines ... and just one more : a card winner, is not the one who need great cards to win, but the one who can win even with bad cards (not only for poker). so finally ... openSUSE marketing (or other word Stathis), for me, would be : being attractive welcome any contributors (and mentoring) check openSUSE unused resources and of course writing quality articles and showing great pictures too, and talking around ... opening eyes and mind -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/05/14 20:44, Efstathios Iosifidis wrote:

What is the subjects that someone can do as marketing team member? First of all, everything have to be added to the wiki Portal https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Marketing

so everyone will be aware of what we do.

Just a quick Mail Stathis to thank you for the link, I'll go and read more, 1. just I see ambassadors as first point - ambassadors process ended 2 years ago no ? 2. second : http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-marketing/ Marketing meeting : I see 2011-2012 ?? so the last meeting was the 27 July 2012 ? Today is day off in France and Germany I think ;-) tc-regards F. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Hey, On 07.05.2014 19:39, Françoise Wybrecht wrote:

On 07/05/14 11:25, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

...

5. YOU go do it and keep this list informed about progress.

oh oups ... I did write a mail this morning (following a good jasna idea ... the mentoring) - saying Marketing IS not saying : do it, do it, but first analysing how the community could be more attractive and I did 2 suggestions for the booth

PS : marketing is not just sending booth material or saying : do, do, do, pictures, do news ... (ok I did send the video link to a 120000 ppl group, but this is not marketing for me, just a ponctual todo)

I didn't say what marketing is :-) All I said is that we can discuss what marketing is a 101. time, come up with a big list of ideas, then not doing any of those. Or we can start small and actually do things (together) and talk about the things we do (together). I actually believe that when we start out small and increment on what we have that we get somewhere (together), we learn things (together) and we get a better idea of how to tackle this huge task (together). Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Le 08/05/2014 13:45, Françoise Wybrecht a écrit :

and if anybody is motivated to search with me and then see how it can concretely works ... welcome ;-) for a together team.

It will take a couple of hours (many)

well... the marketting team need * a leader (or very small team) to summarize the tasks and propose the task to the voluteers, not necessarily a hudge task, no 'authority' need, just organizational sklills * a way to follow the works, this include ** a task manager (there are some online), for example who works on the monthly news, right now? what is the status of the advancement? ** a white board for document sharing (owncloud?) all this can be setup very fast, but previous experiments show that if not universally accepted it's not used this is important, because work not shown is not motivating jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

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On 06/05/14 21:52, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:

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Yes. Communities need developers. I know, that I have got the wrong IT education for that (Computer Science Expert for System Integration).

Hi Sarah,

I wouln't say "wrong" ... who knows ? A community is a "humans system", and each competency can be useless one day or another.

But if nobody know what you studied, then it's a pity.

I havn't studied. I have got a German education in information technology (vocational school + practice in a company) as a Computer Science Expert like that: http://www.en.it.physik.uni-muenchen.de/wir_ueber_uns/ausbildung/index.html I work as a system administrator for a global ISP now.

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I have found interested software developers with experience in a LUG. One is registered as an Advocate. But he doesnt know, how he can become a linux developer. You can use the idea with mentoring by Jasna there.

you chose a perfect example : if he wish to become a developper, he'll just have to learn programmation bases for 2 to 4 years. No mentor will do this ...

I have written, he would be a software developer: https://en.opensuse.org/User:Marcusseidler I meant, you can learn programming and work as a software developer. But there is a difference, whether you would develop for an operating system or a content management system as a example.

It would be a waste of time, a waste of energy, a waste of resources ...

if he wish to integrate a linux community (sharing), then a mentor could tell him :

that many communities need advocate competencies

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Most of them are very motivated. GSoC besides full-time job, part-time studying and community activities? How should I do that?

I do think it's not a question of quantity, but quality. What you wrote here is great ... As an example, you could meet an advocate or a journalist, and say here in the marketing liste : I met ... his/her profile is blabla ... would you have a suggestion how he/she could help openSUSE community ?

For me, a mentor IS NOT a teacher or a training animator, but more a guide/resource

That's right and you will be shown the right way.

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But who should become a mentor for a lot of interested software developers? They need some help to start, but you need enough people, who can do that.

Nobody ... or that person would be ++ pretentious and uncompetent (as in education, methematics teachers said : it's easy to write programs lol ... oups or around 1995, a lot of website were done by my cousin or a nephew ... great result !! ;-))

A mentor is not a teacher ... A mentor is not a teacher, but he can help becoming good in that, what you want to do and you can get quality (not quantity) with that.

The mentor ask you (when you arrive in a community) what are your skills, motivation and your available time, for ex. He is just like an experience guide (on community process experience, on how to get an information = if I do not know, who can answer ?, on how to modelize success instead of trying to restart each time from 0)

if you have never walked, he will not suggest you to climb fast the Everest, saying : "GO, JUST DO IT".

So Stathis, yes I agree that community is not an enterprise and I agree too with "having fun", smiling, being just happy, and mostly being free (please no boss) but a community is a human system (not just a distribution) it's a balance challenge ...

That's the reason, why I'm studying beside the job. I have learned installations, configurations, networking technologies, protocols,..., but I saw, that I would need more. Basic knowledge in programming (I learned that, too) havn't been enough. And tutorials arn't enough, too. You need algorithms, datastructures and practice. I study at a distance-teaching university and that's based on self-studying.

a challenge like : what can we do with the resources we already have inside the community ...

I mean ...

if a contributor, a developper, a user, an advocate or a designer, a teacher, a student does not feel welcome (or have fun), espacially in a non paid system, he will simply go next door, to another community. As simple as that ...

For me, this is exactly marketing : being attractive

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so finally ... openSUSE marketing (or other word Stathis), for me, would be :

being attractive welcome any contributors (and mentoring) check openSUSE unused resources

and of course writing quality articles and showing great pictures too, and talking around ... opening eyes and mind

Have to run rl now lol tc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

I'll go to Nuremberg this weekend. We have got studying days there again (maths). I look, whether I can find some new faces from everywhere in Germany. Studying days are good chances for marketing. Best regards Sarah -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org