I agree with Sankar - it's a great idea, but I doubt we have the personnel to support it. We really don't have enough people on board with our current workload. It sounds like you're doing great work, Johann, and there's no reason why you can't do plenty of great stuff in a less formal way. After all, while certification is nice to have, anything that helps with gaining some new skills and knowledge is a good thing. cheers Helen On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Sankar P wrote:

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On 1/10/2011 at 06:36 PM, in message <4D2B2072020000D30000972F@vpn.id2.novell.com>, "Johann Els" wrote: Hi All,

I was referred to the Marketing list on an idea I had last year December :-)

The idea....

I had seven delegates yesterday in a workshop installing and configuring openSUSE 11.3, What happed was that the delegates was doing their A+ and N+ certification... They told me that they got more information in the workshop than in a regular training campus and they want more hands on workshops!

So this made me think is there a way we can create some sort of University/Campus/Acadamie where School leavers and Graduates can do a Certificate "Workshop" in openSUSE and from there they can springboard to a CLA/CLP/CLE certification?

These chaps that I trained wanted to work for free just to get experience!!! "I would think it is the same in the world" They have "Book IT Knowledge" but no practical experience. These workshops I believe will help.

What is your view?

There are some Novell Certifications for Linux that are popular. (RHCE is also very popular).

However, running a certification system is very very expensive not just in terms of money but also in terms of people and time. You need marketing, course registration, exams, etc. With our current strength, I fear this may not be possible to do as a large scale official project. We could focus more on things like Evergreen and Tumbleweed which require more helping hands.

Please note that this is my personal opinion and I don't want to kill a baby idea. If you want to go ahead with this idea and create an interested set of people around this, please do it. My best wishes :-)

Sankar

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On Wednesday 12 January 2011 05:58:39 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:

Hi,

I used to work for a Government agency that dealt with implementing FOSS for use in the Public Sector. My job was to design and deliver FOSS subjects such as Joomla!, Linux Server Admin, OpenOffice.org etc.

In we taught more than 3,900 Government staff over 2 and half years.

What we did was to involve people like Red Hat, Novell and some universities in helping to design the courseware. What we got in the end was an amalgamation of certifications like LPI, NCLP and RHCE.

So instead of offering one certification like NCLP, LPI or RHCE perhaps one can tailor a course that will complement and prepare them to take certifications rather than compete with them.

I will be happy to work with you if you are interested.

That sounds pretty awesome! if you guys get to work together, it'd be cool if you could try and document some of that on the openSUSE wiki for future use. I think it makes a lot of sense to have some kind of 'preparation' course, it's someting people might appreciate and it's something we can probably pull off (much easier thanan actuall certification system). I know terrorpup wants to organize 'openSUSE days' at the SCALE conference, maybe some of this can be useful for that as well. Do you have any materials like slides and such, Eric?

Cheers,

Eric

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Johann Els wrote:

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Hi All,

I was referred to the Marketing list on an idea I had last year December :-)

The idea....

I had seven delegates yesterday in a workshop installing and configuring openSUSE 11.3, What happed was that the delegates was doing their A+ and N+ certification... They told me that they got more information in the workshop than in a regular training campus and they want more hands on workshops!

So this made me think is there a way we can create some sort of University/Campus/Acadamie where School leavers and Graduates can do a Certificate "Workshop" in openSUSE and from there they can springboard to a CLA/CLP/CLE certification?

These chaps that I trained wanted to work for free just to get experience!!! "I would think it is the same in the world" They have "Book IT Knowledge" but no practical experience. These workshops I believe will help.

What is your view?

Johann

Hi all, Long time ago, we thought of two different things 1. Helping hands 2. Moodle Based Platform Regarding Helping Hands check this out http://old-en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos/Helping_Hands_Topics Regarding moodle platform check this out http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/Edu I think such a lot of ideas would help you get started Regards Manu On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 00:23 +0800, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:

Yes I do.

How would you want to go on from here? Just post to wiki and such or....?

Eric

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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On Wednesday 12 January 2011 05:58:39 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:

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Hi,

I used to work for a Government agency that dealt with implementing FOSS for use in the Public Sector. My job was to design and deliver FOSS subjects such as Joomla!, Linux Server Admin, OpenOffice.org etc.

In we taught more than 3,900 Government staff over 2 and half years.

What we did was to involve people like Red Hat, Novell and some universities in helping to design the courseware. What we got in the end was an amalgamation of certifications like LPI, NCLP and RHCE.

So instead of offering one certification like NCLP, LPI or RHCE perhaps one can tailor a course that will complement and prepare them to take certifications rather than compete with them.

I will be happy to work with you if you are interested.

That sounds pretty awesome! if you guys get to work together, it'd be cool if you could try and document some of that on the openSUSE wiki for future use. I think it makes a lot of sense to have some kind of 'preparation' course, it's someting people might appreciate and it's something we can probably pull off (much easier thanan actuall certification system).

I know terrorpup wants to organize 'openSUSE days' at the SCALE conference, maybe some of this can be useful for that as well.

Do you have any materials like slides and such, Eric?

...

Cheers,

Eric

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Johann Els wrote:

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Hi All,

I was referred to the Marketing list on an idea I had last year December :-)

The idea....

I had seven delegates yesterday in a workshop installing and configuring openSUSE 11.3, What happed was that the delegates was doing their A+ and N+ certification... They told me that they got more information in the workshop than in a regular training campus and they want more hands on workshops!

So this made me think is there a way we can create some sort of University/Campus/Acadamie where School leavers and Graduates can do a Certificate "Workshop" in openSUSE and from there they can springboard to a CLA/CLP/CLE certification?

These chaps that I trained wanted to work for free just to get experience!!! "I would think it is the same in the world" They have "Book IT Knowledge" but no practical experience. These workshops I believe will help.

What is your view?

Johann

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On Wednesday 12 January 2011 17:23:31 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:

Yes I do.

How would you want to go on from here? Just post to wiki and such or....?

Well, having it all on the wiki is a good first step. It looks like we have a few people who are interested in this and a few different resources. Somehow we should combine all that into one :D So, let's try and create a list of people interested in this - then you guys & girls can try and first create a list of all the resources there are (manu just posted some). Such a list on the wiki would already be helpful. Then you can see if you, Johan and maybe some others can turn those separate resources into one set of course-materials?!? How about it, Eric, would you think you and Johan could pull this?

Eric

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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On Wednesday 12 January 2011 05:58:39 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:

...

Hi,

I used to work for a Government agency that dealt with implementing FOSS for use in the Public Sector. My job was to design and deliver FOSS subjects such as Joomla!, Linux Server Admin, OpenOffice.org etc.

In we taught more than 3,900 Government staff over 2 and half years.

What we did was to involve people like Red Hat, Novell and some universities in helping to design the courseware. What we got in the end was an amalgamation of certifications like LPI, NCLP and RHCE.

So instead of offering one certification like NCLP, LPI or RHCE perhaps one can tailor a course that will complement and prepare them to take certifications rather than compete with them.

I will be happy to work with you if you are interested.

That sounds pretty awesome! if you guys get to work together, it'd be cool if you could try and document some of that on the openSUSE wiki for future use. I think it makes a lot of sense to have some kind of 'preparation' course, it's someting people might appreciate and it's something we can probably pull off (much easier thanan actuall certification system).

I know terrorpup wants to organize 'openSUSE days' at the SCALE conference, maybe some of this can be useful for that as well.

Do you have any materials like slides and such, Eric?

...

Cheers,

Eric

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Johann Els wrote:

...

Hi All,

I was referred to the Marketing list on an idea I had last year December

:-)

The idea....

I had seven delegates yesterday in a workshop installing and configuring openSUSE 11.3, What happed was that the delegates was doing their A+ and N+ certification... They told me that they got more information in the workshop than in a regular training campus and they want more hands on workshops!

So this made me think is there a way we can create some sort of University/Campus/Acadamie where School leavers and Graduates can do a Certificate "Workshop" in openSUSE and from there they can springboard to a CLA/CLP/CLE certification?

These chaps that I trained wanted to work for free just to get experience!!! "I would think it is the same in the world" They have "Book IT Knowledge" but no practical experience. These workshops I believe will help.

What is your view?

Johann