[opensuse-marketing] Project-Flyer Feedback
Hello All! We currently work on a openSUSE PR-Kit which will contain a standard project flyer. The flyer give some basic informations about the openSUSE Project etc. The final flyer will be a roll folded DIN A4. So the flyer has 6 pages. You get the current setting copy at here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V3.1b.pdf If you find some typos or have a great idea for improvement please send me feedback and explain briefly your idea so others can follow up :-) I have to send the setting copy to the print house next Wednesday (2010-08-04). After that we can only work for the future. Thank you! Robert --- Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rlihm@suse.de ____________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ____________________________________________________________ SUSE - a Novell business -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, den 02.08.2010, 14:58 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
Hello All!
We currently work on a openSUSE PR-Kit which will contain a standard project flyer. The flyer give some basic informations about the openSUSE Project etc.
The final flyer will be a roll folded DIN A4. So the flyer has 6 pages. You get the current setting copy at here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V3.1b.pdf
If you find some typos or have a great idea for improvement please send me feedback and explain briefly your idea so others can follow up :-)
I have to send the setting copy to the print house next Wednesday (2010-08-04). After that we can only work for the future.
I hope u work with scribus and share the sources, so I can help u. br gnokii
Robert ---
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On Monday 02 August 2010 09:24:26 S.Kemter wrote:
Am Montag, den 02.08.2010, 14:58 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
Hello All!
We currently work on a openSUSE PR-Kit which will contain a standard project flyer. The flyer give some basic informations about the openSUSE Project etc.
The final flyer will be a roll folded DIN A4. So the flyer has 6 pages. You get the current setting copy at here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V3.1b.pdf
If you find some typos or have a great idea for improvement please send me feedback and explain briefly your idea so others can follow up :-)
First of all, it looks very pretty. Me likes that. Second, and I'm probably way too late offering my input here, but I think it is REALLY way too wordy. Too much text, too small.
I have to send the setting copy to the print house next Wednesday (2010-08-04). After that we can only work for the future.
Have you seen these: What is KDE flyer http://community.kde.org/images.community/0/09/KDE_BrosureB_in.pdf http://community.kde.org/images.community/6/6f/KDE_BrosureB_out.pdf Join the Game (paying membership flyer) http://community.kde.org/File:JoinTheGameFlyer-page1.pdf http://community.kde.org/File:JoinTheGameFlyer-page2.pdf Join KDE flyer http://community.kde.org/File:KDE_Brochure_in.pdf http://community.kde.org/File:KDE_Brochure_out.pdf Much shorter for sure, bigger text. I'm more than willing to help prune the texts, if you want, you can send them to me, tell me to eg remove 50% and I'll rewrite it into a half as big text. I'm guessing this is both urgent and important so I'm willing to spend some sleep time on it ;-)
I hope u work with scribus and share the sources, so I can help u.
br gnokii
Robert ---
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 15:07 -0400, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Monday 02 August 2010 09:24:26 S.Kemter wrote:
Am Montag, den 02.08.2010, 14:58 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
Hello All!
We currently work on a openSUSE PR-Kit which will contain a standard project flyer. The flyer give some basic informations about the openSUSE Project etc.
The final flyer will be a roll folded DIN A4. So the flyer has 6 pages. You get the current setting copy at here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V3.1b.pdf
If you find some typos or have a great idea for improvement please send me feedback and explain briefly your idea so others can follow up :-)
First of all, it looks very pretty. Me likes that.
Second, and I'm probably way too late offering my input here, but I think it is REALLY way too wordy. Too much text, too small.
Believe it or not, you're actually not late. Either this is the first we've heard of this on the team or I missed some previous discussion on this (always possible.) I do like this, and I agree that in a broad sense, it's too wordy. However, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be used. Instead, I think it has a specific use, especially for those already familiar with FOSS and Community. We should create several flyers that appeal to different audiences. A less wordy/more picturesque flyer will appeal more to an audience of new users/market, as an example. This is, however, a great basis for a collection of flyers that we should work toward. Great job! Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Marketing Team lead
I have to send the setting copy to the print house next Wednesday (2010-08-04). After that we can only work for the future.
Have you seen these:
What is KDE flyer http://community.kde.org/images.community/0/09/KDE_BrosureB_in.pdf http://community.kde.org/images.community/6/6f/KDE_BrosureB_out.pdf
Join the Game (paying membership flyer) http://community.kde.org/File:JoinTheGameFlyer-page1.pdf http://community.kde.org/File:JoinTheGameFlyer-page2.pdf
Join KDE flyer http://community.kde.org/File:KDE_Brochure_in.pdf http://community.kde.org/File:KDE_Brochure_out.pdf
Much shorter for sure, bigger text.
I'm more than willing to help prune the texts, if you want, you can send them to me, tell me to eg remove 50% and I'll rewrite it into a half as big text. I'm guessing this is both urgent and important so I'm willing to spend some sleep time on it ;-)
I hope u work with scribus and share the sources, so I can help u.
br gnokii
Robert ---
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Le 02/08/2010 21:07, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
First of all, it looks very pretty. Me likes that.
* are you sure the green titles print well (are readable when printed?) * the three fold flure is very difficult to fold by hand (and expensive to make folded by other). Do you plan a mass printing (=professional) or a pdf spreading with local printing? * think also some copies will have to be made black and white (photocopies) * when finished, think to give source to translatino :-)
Second, and I'm probably way too late offering my input here, but I think it is REALLY way too wordy. Too much text, too small.
I think we need two versions. one like this one and an other, only verso, A5, with no fold and much less words. (french examples: http://www.culte.org/pmwiki/?n=Rubriques.PasserAGNULinux
I have to send the setting copy to the print house next Wednesday (2010-08-04). After that we can only work for the future.
short :-( In my point of view, the content is mostly irrelevant :-((( This content is for the already involved people. And these people don't need such flyer. if this is for inclusion *in* the openSUSE box, ok, but to insert in the demo dvd (for example), mostly useless * the goal of openSUSE i still discussed, si difficult to give it right now :-( * we have to make great attention on what is the public of this flyer? this version may interest programmers (software licence, OBS...) but not windows users. my A5 flyer is title: go to GNU/Linux! and try to make Linux attractive for windows users. I pretend to give some on the PC dealers table for everybody (every body able to go to PC dealers, that is with some skill or curiosity) I can translate it, but not right now (too late, 23 o'clock here anyway, it's not an option for the present flyer) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Le 02/08/2010 22:58, jdd a écrit :
Le 02/08/2010 21:07, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
sorry, Jos, I didn't intend to answer to *your* post. my fault jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
For example, how I wrote the free software presentation in a common language (in french, my english version may not be so good - french below) Free software The words "free software" is a reference to the freedom for the user to make whatever he want with the software. Specially, he can share freely the software with his friends and relatives. This use is plain legal and allow a family or a company to behave honestly and prevent piracy. You will find more info here : http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.fr.html The more impressive example of free software is GNU/Linux, that allows everybody to run his computer without the proprietary systems that try to have a monopoly on the personnal computing. openSUSE is a smart, fun and pleasant version of GNU/Linux. jdd Logiciel libre L'expression “logiciel libre” fait référence à la liberté pour les utilisateurs de faire avec leur logiciel tout ce dont ils ont envie. En particulier ils peuvent échanger ces logiciels librement avec leur famille et leurs amis. Cet usage est légal et permet dans une famille ou une entreprise d'avoir un fonctionnement moral et d'éviter le piratage. Pour plus d'information consulter le site: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.fr.html L'exemple le plus complet de logiciel libre est Linux, qui permet de faire fonctionner son ordinateur sans recourir aux systèmes marchands qui monopolisent l'informatique personnelle. -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
My flyer *aimed at windows users* Please, make my english more friendly, it have to please non technicals current users :-) text below: I have a computer ! I switch to GNU/Linux ! You deserve the better ! Freedom at no cost ! Free software and GNU/Linux are for you, What is GNU/Linux? Don't worry if the vocabulary seems a bit strange , you will quickly be familiar with it. You will find at the end of this document addresses of groups ready to help you for free. Go see them before spending your money in courses. The name « Linux » is no more, to speak simply, than that of the "kernel" that allows you to use the hardware installed in your computer. It's always associated with the GNU tools, that allows the day to day management of your PC, that's why we often speak of "GNU/Linux". For a personal use, it's always associated win a graphical desktop, with mouse, icons, menus,,, This desktop is available in several flavors, most common having for name Kde, Gnome and Xfce, from the richer to the simpler, all similar of what you already know. These elements are nearly the same as what Windows gives, that is a system with little interest by itself. But, when usually you are asked to buy for money a word processing program, a photo editor, a DVD writing application and so on, free software gives all this, and much more, for you, right from the beginning, and for free. Here, no "demo version" for three month, all is available immediately and forever, How can I install GNU/linux There are so many useful programs, all what allows you to run your computer usefully, that it's boring to install them one at a time, like you have to do in Windows. So you can find on the net "Linux Distributions" (Debian, Mandriva, openSUSE, Ubuntu...) that do this work for you. Practically, one never "install Linux" but "a Linux Distribution". Here, we work for and with openSUSE and think this is the better one so we advise you to choose this one ! Once this distribution installed, what needs less than one hour from a free openSUSE DVD, you have on your computer: * Linux (the engine); * Gnu (accelerator, brake and clutch pedals); * Various desktop, Kde, Gnome, Xfce or all of them (dash-board, gear control,,,); * A great number of applications (the road, the map, the country, the town and the lanscape...). Free pre-installed applications * OpenOffice.org «OOo» (word processor, spreadsheet, dias, data base) ; * The GIMP (photo editor, like it's expensive equivalent Photoshop); * Firefox (the web browser); * Thunderbird (the mail client); * DigiKam, (photo management); * Audacity (sound editor) and, in fact, all what you need to begin working. If this basic install is not enough, you have at hand on the net thousands of programs you can download for a mouse ciick and all this free, legally and without any virus or trojan. Usefull notice You can install a GNU/Linux distribution on your computer side by side with your initial Windows if you like and if you want to keep running some Windows application. Depending of how you do the install, you may use the two systems (Linux and Windows) concurrently, using "virtualization" or choose at boot what one you want (dualboot), You can get help here Http://opensuse.org (logo) end of the text (worth A5 paper) -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
(2010/08/02 22:24), S.Kemter wrote:
Am Montag, den 02.08.2010, 14:58 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
If you find some typos or have a great idea for improvement please send me feedback and explain briefly your idea so others can follow up :-)
I have to send the setting copy to the print house next Wednesday (2010-08-04). After that we can only work for the future.
I hope u work with scribus and share the sources, so I can help u.
+1 The flyer is awesome, but as long as it is written in English, it is not effecting for Japanese (not only for Japanese, but also for other language speakers, I guess). Not only this flyer, but also all the other materials for marketing should be editable, so that Ambassadors can translate and replace the sentences by themselves as appropriate, and reuse them. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hello Satoru! On 04.08.2010, at 08:09, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
(2010/08/02 22:24), S.Kemter wrote:
Am Montag, den 02.08.2010, 14:58 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
If you find some typos or have a great idea for improvement please send me feedback and explain briefly your idea so others can follow up :-)
I have to send the setting copy to the print house next Wednesday (2010-08-04). After that we can only work for the future.
I hope u work with scribus and share the sources, so I can help u.
+1
The flyer is awesome, but as long as it is written in English, it is not effecting for Japanese (not only for Japanese, but also for other language speakers, I guess).
Not only this flyer, but also all the other materials for marketing should be editable, so that Ambassadors can translate and replace the sentences by themselves as appropriate, and reuse them.
I agree with you in this point. But we can make only one step after an other. That we could organise the PR-Kit is IMO a great step forward. The editable version is already on the ToDo-List. If anyone have suggestions how to make this, just send them over. The easiest was would be to offer a file like SVG (or what ever) on the wiki. Any other ideas? Best, Robert
Best,
-- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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Le 04/08/2010 12:37, Robert Lihm a écrit :
If anyone have suggestions how to make this, just send them over. The easiest was would be to offer a file like SVG (or what ever) on the wiki.
Any other ideas?
the source file? from openoffice or scribus? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On 04.08.2010, at 12:50, jdd wrote:
Le 04/08/2010 12:37, Robert Lihm a écrit :
If anyone have suggestions how to make this, just send them over. The easiest was would be to offer a file like SVG (or what ever) on the wiki.
Any other ideas?
the source file? from openoffice or scribus?
No openoffece. I would prefer something more neutral like EPS or SVG. Well, we will see. Robert
jdd
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Hello all! I even send the setting copies to the print house. So, from now we can discuss the future ;-) Thank you for your time and feedback, it was very helpful! Have a nice day, Robert --- Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rlihm@suse.de ____________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ____________________________________________________________ SUSE - a Novell business -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Robert Lihm
Hello all!
I even send the setting copies to the print house. So, from now we can discuss the future ;-)
Good. Because I'd like to open an etherpad page to write the texts anew, starting with a focus on who our target users are etcetera. I think the easiest thing would actually be to kind'a copy the ideas we did in the KDE team, as that has been thought out fairly well. IOW make a leaflet for complete newcomers and one for potential contributors/developers/etc I don't want to hurt any feelings, but the one we made now is bad. Not the design, that's great, but the text is unfocused and bad. This folder contains a weird mix of focusing on developers/contributors (Build Service), completely-new-to-linux-users (the Free Software part) and something which doesn't make sense at all (operating system). Moreover, the form (leaflet) doesn't fit with the amount of text at all. So that doesn't work. First of all, if you're targeting completely-new-to-linux users don't waste time on talking about Free Software, they don't care. It sucks but that's the truth. Focus on what is cool and good about openSUSE, what we have. Again, see the KDE poster (the users focussed one) as a good example. For contributors you can and should go a bit deeper, again focus on what's cool and try to take away what makes them NOT contribute: the perceived high barrier to entry. So if we can decide who this is target and then write the texts, this could be great. Doing something like this in 3 days is just plain impossible, sorry - it needs a bit more thought. You don't need a million IRC meetings or anything, a few ppl CAN do it in a few days as soon as the goals are clear, but those must be discussed first. Sorry to be so negative. I'm more than willing to help (as I said before) and I hope my feedback doesn't give ppl the feeling this was a waste of time - again, I like the design, and openSUSE needs folders and stuff like this a lot! Cheers, Jos
Thank you for your time and feedback, it was very helpful!
Have a nice day,
Robert
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Hello, on Montag, 2. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote:
We currently work on a openSUSE PR-Kit which will contain a standard project flyer. The flyer give some basic informations about the openSUSE Project etc.
Some findings in random order: - the green back side (aka page 1, middle column in the PDF) should contain the openSUSE logo. Maybe small, at the bottom? - some linebreaks on this page are unfortune: - the link to Portal:Support should be in one line. Idea: "For help and support, check out ..." - if possible, an-nouncement shouldn't be split to two lines - all headlines should be in Cholla / 5th leg - the "Join the Project" column has too much free space ;-) Does anyone have an idea what we could put there? - BTW: http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_Participate is redirected to a Portal: - please include the Portal: link - BTW 2: looks like we need an openSUSE URL shortener ;-) - The column "Operating System" starts with an explanation of the project. That's somewhat unexpected and makes the headline misleading. - hmm, maybe that solves the question how to fill the middle column: - move the first half of the "Operating system" column to the middle column - headline of middle column: "The openSUSE Project" - sub-headline of the middle column: "Join us!", followed by the current "Join the Project" text - and fill the left column with some more text or another screenshot. - page order: is it intentional that "Free software" is the first you see when opening the flyer (aka a more prominent page)? - con: we "waste" a more prominent page with "generic stuff". I would place the distribution there. - pro: openSUSE wouldn't exist without free software - pro: it allows to have distribution/project/build service nearby on the inner pages It's probably a matter of taste if the "Free software" page should be moved or not. - image size and positioning: the "stair-like" positioning looks good, but the build service screenshot is too high when compared to the left and middle picture. (The other question is if the positioning can be kept after applying my proposals ;-) Spelling errors (at least those I found): - "How to join us": - an-nou_cments should be an-nou_n_cements - "Free software": - second paragraph, second line: "an" should be "an_d_" - please add an empty line above "There are four theses" - last line: "to an better" should be "to a better" (a/an is not followed by [aeiou]) - spelling question: is "Join the _P_roject" really correct or should it "project" be lowercase? (to be answered by a native english speaker) Same question for "openSUSE _P_roject" at multiple places. - related: case handling of all headlines should be equal. Currently "Free _s_oftware" doesn't match the scheme. Regards, Christian Boltz --
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Hello All! As first, thank you for your feedback which was really helpful. The new version is now available here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V4b.pdf We cut the text down, fixed the typos and added other screenshots. Just to answer few of your questions: 1. The stuff will be printed and folded (!) by a print house. 2. The flyer is targeting people who already use Linux. It should gibe a brief overview about the project, etc. 3. The green has a good contrast on white paper. 4. An URL-Shortener would be cool ;-) Sorry for being brief, 'm a bit in hurry :-) Thank you! Robert On 02.08.2010, at 23:08, Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
on Montag, 2. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote:
We currently work on a openSUSE PR-Kit which will contain a standard project flyer. The flyer give some basic informations about the openSUSE Project etc.
Some findings in random order:
- the green back side (aka page 1, middle column in the PDF) should contain the openSUSE logo. Maybe small, at the bottom?
- some linebreaks on this page are unfortune: - the link to Portal:Support should be in one line. Idea: "For help and support, check out ..." - if possible, an-nouncement shouldn't be split to two lines
- all headlines should be in Cholla / 5th leg
- the "Join the Project" column has too much free space ;-) Does anyone have an idea what we could put there?
- BTW: http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_Participate is redirected to a Portal: - please include the Portal: link
- BTW 2: looks like we need an openSUSE URL shortener ;-)
- The column "Operating System" starts with an explanation of the project. That's somewhat unexpected and makes the headline misleading.
- hmm, maybe that solves the question how to fill the middle column: - move the first half of the "Operating system" column to the middle column - headline of middle column: "The openSUSE Project" - sub-headline of the middle column: "Join us!", followed by the current "Join the Project" text - and fill the left column with some more text or another screenshot.
- page order: is it intentional that "Free software" is the first you see when opening the flyer (aka a more prominent page)? - con: we "waste" a more prominent page with "generic stuff". I would place the distribution there. - pro: openSUSE wouldn't exist without free software - pro: it allows to have distribution/project/build service nearby on the inner pages It's probably a matter of taste if the "Free software" page should be moved or not.
- image size and positioning: the "stair-like" positioning looks good, but the build service screenshot is too high when compared to the left and middle picture. (The other question is if the positioning can be kept after applying my proposals ;-)
Spelling errors (at least those I found):
- "How to join us": - an-nou_cments should be an-nou_n_cements
- "Free software": - second paragraph, second line: "an" should be "an_d_" - please add an empty line above "There are four theses" - last line: "to an better" should be "to a better" (a/an is not followed by [aeiou])
- spelling question: is "Join the _P_roject" really correct or should it "project" be lowercase? (to be answered by a native english speaker) Same question for "openSUSE _P_roject" at multiple places.
- related: case handling of all headlines should be equal. Currently "Free _s_oftware" doesn't match the scheme.
Regards,
Christian Boltz --
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Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 13:18 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
Hello All!
As first, thank you for your feedback which was really helpful. The new version is now available here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V4b.pdf
We cut the text down, fixed the typos and added other screenshots.
Just to answer few of your questions:
1. The stuff will be printed and folded (!) by a print house. 2. The flyer is targeting people who already use Linux. It should gibe a brief overview about the project, etc. 3. The green has a good contrast on white paper. 4. An URL-Shortener would be cool ;-)
Sorry for being brief, 'm a bit in hurry :-)
1. give the frontpage more love, it looks a little bit boring for me 2. Christian said it make the headlines in 5th leg 3. second page looks to empty for distro add LXDE & XFCE snapshots that should fill the page for project there are some pics on gallery.o.o ppl sitting in a room and listen, shows the learning side ;) that should fill the second page. third pag should be tha last one, there can be a little bit room its not so bad. links on that page, the green isnt so good readable there. On first page u make the links big, maybe that makes it a little bit better br gnokii -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
As first, here is a new version; just fixed typos and some tiny text corrections. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V5b.pdf ... On 03.08.2010, at 14:29, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 13:18 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
Hello All!
As first, thank you for your feedback which was really helpful. The new version is now available here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V4b.pdf
We cut the text down, fixed the typos and added other screenshots.
Just to answer few of your questions:
1. The stuff will be printed and folded (!) by a print house. 2. The flyer is targeting people who already use Linux. It should gibe a brief overview about the project, etc. 3. The green has a good contrast on white paper. 4. An URL-Shortener would be cool ;-)
Sorry for being brief, 'm a bit in hurry :-)
1. give the frontpage more love, it looks a little bit boring for me
The front page is good as it is. I would call it serious or clean instead of boring. Not very kind btw.
2. Christian said it make the headlines in 5th leg
As the flyer should be timeless and serious I decided to not use the Cholla Font (or 5th leg) in this case. Sure, its part of our branding, but I want to have a clear motion in the flyer and Cholla does not fit. A valid point and a good suggestion! Maybe we can use it next time more often.
3. second page looks to empty
You mean page 6 (flyer-back) which is green too? It's not good to fill every square-inch (or square-px in web design) with informations. Sorry, but i disagree with you in this case.
for distro add LXDE & XFCE snapshots that should fill the page
We have a KDE and a Gnome shot. That enough.
for project there are some pics on gallery.o.o ppl sitting in a room and listen, shows the learning side ;) that should fill the second page.
We should chose the pictures with more attention next time. Choosing pictures now is a bit late. But you could send me few links of pictures which we could use next time. Would be really nice if you could do that :-)
third pag should be tha last one, there can be a little bit room its not so bad.
links on that page, the green isnt so good readable there. On first page u make the links big, maybe that makes it a little bit better
I'm surrounded by proof-prints and the green is good readable. Thank you for your suggestions and your feedback! Best, Robert
br gnokii
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Hello, on Dienstag, 3. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote:
On 03.08.2010, at 14:29, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 13:18 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
1. The stuff will be printed and folded (!) by a print house.
Yes, I know (and have some experience with creating folded flyers [and unfolded flyers and posters] using scribus ;-)
2. The flyer is targeting people who already use Linux. It should gibe a brief overview about the project, etc.
The "Free software" page looks more like it is targeted to people not using Linux yet ;-) (at least I assume/hope most Linux users have at least heard about "free software) Don't get me wrong - this is a good thing[tm] and makes the flyer also a good introduction for people not using Linux yet. I don't really expect they instantly start to use the build service, but maybe they'll start to use the distribution ;-)
The front page is good as it is. I would call it serious or clean instead of boring.
ACK.
2. Christian said it make the headlines in 5th leg
As the flyer should be timeless and serious I decided to not use the Cholla Font (or 5th leg) in this case. Sure, its part of our branding, but I want to have a clear motion in the flyer and Cholla does not fit.
A valid point and a good suggestion! Maybe we can use it next time more often.
Hmm, sounds like you can't decide yourself *g* I would prefer Cholla/5th leg for the headlines. IMHO the flyer would stil look serious (hey, Cholla is not Comic Sans ;-) and would match the openSUSE branding much better.
3. second page looks to empty
You mean page 6 (flyer-back) which is green too? It's not good to fill every square-inch (or square-px in web design) with informations. Sorry, but i disagree with you in this case.
I still suggest to add the openSUSE logo there (small, at the bottom). Besides that: ACK Perhaps a minor thing: the lines should be at the same position (measured from top) as on the "Free software" page (german: "Registerhaltigkeit"). This basically means: - make the headlines (including free space) exactly as high as n "normal" text lines (n to be defined by you, n = 3 lines might be a good value) - use an empty line as paragraph delimter in the "Discover it" section
for distro add LXDE & XFCE snapshots that should fill the page
We have a KDE and a Gnome shot. That enough.
ACK. (Maybe less overlapping and a bit bigger?) BTW: "Operating _S_ystem" - should the "s" be lowercase? However, the "Operating system" page looks very empty. I'd add a second paragraph that lists some features of openSUSE (in a timeless way - don't list any version number there ;-) http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Distribution has some good points in the "What features does openSUSE offer you?" section. I'm not the best in writing english marketing texts, but let me try: (based on Portal:Distribution text) openSUSE has everything you need to do your work and play. Browse the web with Firefox, send email, write documents with OpenOffice.org, enjoy media with Banshee and Amarok, and much more. Regards, Christian Boltz -- Ist doch ganz einfach. Windows arbeitet nach dem WYSIAS-Prinzip: What you see is Allgemeine Schutzverletzung! [Dieter Bruegmann in dag°] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On 04.08.2010, at 00:45, Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
on Dienstag, 3. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote:
On 03.08.2010, at 14:29, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 13:18 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
1. The stuff will be printed and folded (!) by a print house.
Yes, I know (and have some experience with creating folded flyers [and unfolded flyers and posters] using scribus ;-)
2. The flyer is targeting people who already use Linux. It should gibe a brief overview about the project, etc.
The "Free software" page looks more like it is targeted to people not using Linux yet ;-) (at least I assume/hope most Linux users have at least heard about "free software)
Don't get me wrong - this is a good thing[tm] and makes the flyer also a good introduction for people not using Linux yet. I don't really expect they instantly start to use the build service, but maybe they'll start to use the distribution ;-)
The front page is good as it is. I would call it serious or clean instead of boring.
ACK.
2. Christian said it make the headlines in 5th leg
As the flyer should be timeless and serious I decided to not use the Cholla Font (or 5th leg) in this case. Sure, its part of our branding, but I want to have a clear motion in the flyer and Cholla does not fit.
A valid point and a good suggestion! Maybe we can use it next time more often.
Hmm, sounds like you can't decide yourself *g*
I would prefer Cholla/5th leg for the headlines. IMHO the flyer would stil look serious (hey, Cholla is not Comic Sans ;-) and would match the openSUSE branding much better.
Well, Cholla is IMHO pretty close to Comic Sans ;-) However, as it seams that you are serious about this topic, here is a Cholla-Hedlined Version. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V5-Cholla-Pr... I'm ... OK with it :-)
3. second page looks to empty
You mean page 6 (flyer-back) which is green too? It's not good to fill every square-inch (or square-px in web design) with informations. Sorry, but i disagree with you in this case.
I still suggest to add the openSUSE logo there (small, at the bottom). Besides that: ACK
Perhaps a minor thing: the lines should be at the same position (measured from top) as on the "Free software" page (german: "Registerhaltigkeit"). This basically means: - make the headlines (including free space) exactly as high as n "normal" text lines (n to be defined by you, n = 3 lines might be a good value)
I'm not sure if i get you right. Maybe we can talk about this in german on IRC? I went through the paragraph spacing and found some c&p mistakes. The font size is in general 10pt, the line height is 14pt. The paragraph spacing is 7pt.
- use an empty line as paragraph delimter in the "Discover it" section
for distro add LXDE & XFCE snapshots that should fill the page
We have a KDE and a Gnome shot. That enough.
ACK. (Maybe less overlapping and a bit bigger?)
BTW: "Operating _S_ystem" - should the "s" be lowercase?
As Operating System is a name like Build Service we keep it uppercase. I'mean, its OS not Os, isn't is? :-)
However, the "Operating system" page looks very empty. I'd add a second paragraph that lists some features of openSUSE (in a timeless way - don't list any version number there ;-)
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Distribution has some good points in the "What features does openSUSE offer you?" section.
I'm not the best in writing english marketing texts, but let me try: (based on Portal:Distribution text)
openSUSE has everything you need to do your work and play. Browse the web with Firefox, send email, write documents with OpenOffice.org, enjoy media with Banshee and Amarok, and much more.
I wrote me your suggestion down. But it's to late for text changes. We definitely need to discuss the content for the flyer much earlier next time. This time we had to hurry. Sorry. Thank you a lot for your feedback! Robert
Regards,
Christian Boltz -- Ist doch ganz einfach. Windows arbeitet nach dem WYSIAS-Prinzip: What you see is Allgemeine Schutzverletzung! [Dieter Bruegmann in dag°] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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Hello, on Mittwoch, 4. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote:
On 04.08.2010, at 00:45, Christian Boltz wrote:
on Dienstag, 3. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote:
On 03.08.2010, at 14:29, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 13:18 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm:
I would prefer Cholla/5th leg for the headlines. IMHO the flyer would stil look serious (hey, Cholla is not Comic Sans ;-) and would match the openSUSE branding much better.
Well, Cholla is IMHO pretty close to Comic Sans ;-)
No, it isn't ;-) - it looks very different. Most lines in Cholla are exactly horicontal or exactly vertical, the only exceptions are the the corners where two lines connect. Basically you can re-create Cholla with a ruler. OTOH, Comic Sans has nearly no lines that have been drawn with a ruler (the "lines" are more like curves), and nearly none that are exactly horicontal or vertical. Hey, and even if Cholla doesn't look as serious as the sans-serif font (LucidaGrande?) - wasn't there somethink like "have a lot of fun"? ;-)
However, as it seams that you are serious about this topic, here is a Cholla-Hedlined Version.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V5- Cholla-Proof2.pdf
Much better :-)
I'm ... OK with it :-)
:-)
Perhaps a minor thing: the lines should be at the same position (measured from top) as on the "Free software" page (german: "Registerhaltigkeit"). This basically means: - make the headlines (including free space) exactly as high as n "normal" text lines (n to be defined by you, n = 3 lines might be a good value)
I'm not sure if i get you right. Maybe we can talk about this in german on IRC?
Just ping me tonight if you want ;-)
I went through the paragraph spacing and found some c&p mistakes. The font size is in general 10pt, the line height is 14pt. The paragraph spacing is 7pt.
The paragraph spacing is probably the problem - it should be 14pt (= line height). Since pictures say more than words, I editet the [screenshot of the] flyer a bit, see www.cboltz.de/tmp/opensuse-flyer-line-position.xcf Open it with GIMP and play a bit with the visibility of the four layers: - current flyer - screenshot of the PDF - how it should be - after I moved the text around - lines - the red line grid - headline markers - help lines to position the sub-headlines The inside of the flyer basically has the same problem, but it is less visible because of the pictures/screenshots. If it is still possible to make changes, I'd propose to change the paragraph spacing to 14pt.
However, the "Operating system" page looks very empty. [...] I'm not the best in writing english marketing texts, but let me try: (based on Portal:Distribution text)
openSUSE has everything you need to do your work and play. Browse the web with Firefox, send email, write documents with OpenOffice.org, enjoy media with Banshee and Amarok, and much more.
I wrote me your suggestion down. But it's to late for text changes.
Too bad :-(
We definitely need to discuss the content for the flyer much earlier next time. This time we had to hurry. Sorry.
ACK ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz --
Stimmt, das wäre deutlich besser. Einziger Haken: --percent wäre nicht mehr so genau ;-) Einwand korrekt - aber ein Systemcrash wegen mangelnder Ressourcen ist deutlich ungenauer in seinen Resultaten. :-) [> Christian Boltz und Ratti in fontlinge-devel] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Robert Lihm
4. An URL-Shortener would be cool ;-)
We have http://opensu.se for short urls - but I don't know who operates it. - James Mason 'bear454' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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