On Fri, 2014-10-31 at 14:59 +0100, David Sterba wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 01:36:12PM +0100, Joschi Brauchle wrote:
Oh really? That's bad for openSUSE 13.2.
The discussion seems stalling again. So, do I understand correctly that we won't do any fixes for openSUSE 13.2 kernel unless explicitly specified in bug reports, right?
I'd like to add some end user perspective (clearly lacking background on the technical problems of a maintenance upgrade):
Thanks, your perspective is valuable.
openSUSE 13.2 has been announced basically everywhere on the net to be *released* with kernel 3.17, even on official openSUSE blogs/pages. If one searches for "opensuse 13.2 kernel version" and reads the articles, not just headlines, the picture one gets is that the beta/rc1 has 3.16 but final will have 3.17.
Looking at the release schedule of 13.1 and the time when 3.17 was released, "going for 3.17" was unrealistic at the time of RC1 milestone. Switching kernel without enough time to do QA up to the same level as the previous kernel got is hazardous.
So for me, seeing a *brand new* openSUSE release with a 3.16 kernel that is not fully supporting some rather popular current hardware and being discontinued soon after release is pretty discouraging.
Do you have an example where the 3.17 kernel enables HW that does not work with 3.16 ?
I can help with that: Kernel 3.17 enables my laptop's (Lenovo Flex 14) touchpad to be recognised while 3.16 doesn't. This is an ALPS v7 device, which got added by way of this commit https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=3... and so missed 3.16.x series. With 13.2, therefore, my touchpad does not work (it is recognised as PS/2 mouse and that is even worse!), but I upgraded to 3.17.1 from Kernel:Stable and it works now. This is not an exotic device either: most recent Lenovo laptops in the Yoga and Flex series come with this or a synaptic touchpad whose support also only got added to Kernel 3.17.
This has been probably mentioned, the obs://Kernel:stable repository follows the kernel.org stable releases so if you really need the newer kernel, adding this repository is straightforward.
Yes, this is true, although in my case this required disabling UEFI Secureboot completely to be able to boot with the Kernel:Stable laptop (see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kernel/2014-10/msg00059.html ) and thus pay the price of not being able to boot into Windows8 again [nice covert way of disabling Windows usage ;)], so it is not without its downside. Best wishes. P.S.: This mail, already sent several hours back did not get posted somehow, apologies if because of the resending it eventually gets posted twice. -- Atri Bhattacharya Fri Oct 31 18:48:28 MST 2014 Sent from openSUSE 13.2 on my laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org