I love kmail but I'm really starting to get frustrated. Every once in awhile Kmail will magically mark all the mail in certain folders as NEW. That wouldn't be a big problem except I spend a fair amount of time Marking messages that I find particularly fascinating as "Important". When kmail marks all the messages as new then it is easy to change the status of all messages to "Read" but I lose the visual cue I so lovingly created. Another curious effect: occasionally long deleted messages are returned to their orriginal folder (I empty the trash frequently and actually quit the program in hopes of preventing this). Kmail is not marking the mail in all folders as new, it seems to me that it is only doing this to folders that recieve unread mail (ie my filters send the incoming mail to the desired folder before I read it) Is there any way to restore the folders previous states rather than the unsatisfactory and ham fisted "folder-->mark all messages as read" menu? nb. I'm not interested in switching to evolution or mutt right now. Thanks for your ideas -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com!
On Saturday 25 January 2003 01:21, David Herman wrote:
I love kmail but I'm really starting to get frustrated.
Every once in awhile Kmail will magically mark all the mail in certain folders as NEW. That wouldn't be a big problem except I spend a fair amount of time Marking messages that I find particularly fascinating as "Important". When kmail marks all the messages as new then it is easy to change the status of all messages to "Read" but I lose the visual cue I so lovingly created.
Another curious effect: occasionally long deleted messages are returned to their orriginal folder (I empty the trash frequently and actually quit the program in hopes of preventing this).
Kmail is not marking the mail in all folders as new, it seems to me that it is only doing this to folders that recieve unread mail (ie my filters send the incoming mail to the desired folder before I read it)
I can't offer any help on getting messed stuff back to proper state, but I have a thought about the problems you report. You didn't specify your SuSE version. I was having problems with KMail and other X stuff under SuSE 8.0, and finally a whole bunch of things went blooie, and I used WindowMaker for several months, with Sylpheed as my mail program. Sylpheed began giving exactly the problems you describe, with the addition that sometimes whole folders would get marked as read, before I could get to them. All the other symptoms showed up, too. It was usable, but really annoying and inconvenient. After I upgraded (well, it was a complete fresh install) to 8.1, I got back to KMail, and there have been no problems with it, at all. I did have some nasty X problems (47 crashes in three months), but I loaded a kernel update package from SuSE last week and the system has been rock-steady since then. All that to say: if you haven't gone to 8.1, yet.... do it. :-) And then IMMEDIATELY update the kernel (whether it's to k_deflt2.4.19.174 or k_athlon-2.4.19.167 (for Intel and AMD processors respectively). A remote possibility, perhaps, but if you don't hear any better suggestions... ;-> Good luck. /kevin
On Friday 24 January 2003 10:49 pm, Kevin McLauchlan wrote:
On Saturday 25 January 2003 01:21, David Herman wrote:
I love kmail but I'm really starting to get frustrated. Every once in awhile Kmail will magically mark all the mail in certain folders as NEW. Another curious effect: occasionally long deleted messages are returned to their orriginal folder ------------snip--------- You didn't specify your SuSE version.
Yeah meant to but I got sidetracked. SuSE8.1pro, 2.4.19-115, (newest stable SuSE kernel) self compiled w/ win4lin patches. ----------snip---------------
After I upgraded (well, it was a complete fresh install) to 8.1, I got back to KMail, and there have been no problems with it, at all. I did have some nasty X problems (47 crashes in three months),
Wow, you had the forsight to count them. Upon my first install of 8.1 on this machine everything was great. Then while troubleshooting some DMA problems I put both of my hard drives on the first IDE cable (they had both been on their own cables previously). I went from quite stable to 6 or 7 crashes a day until it totally corrupted my filesystem. I have no Idea how many reboots I did in 2 weeks but alot of them were so stuffed I had to shut the machine off at the power supply :-0 (miracullasly my winders98, qnx, amithlon and 3 beos partitions survived unharmed, only the linux filesystems were toasted) Turns out the kernel that was supplied on the SuSE disks doesn't recognize the (via) southbridge on the kt333 chipset (msi KT3Ultra2), the newer kernel fixes this (although I've also got my drives back on 2 seperate cables) Curiously - when I reinstalled, I copied my backed up mail folder to my ~/ directory and all the messages were there as expected but 800 messages in my suse-linux-english [SLE] folder had been marked as new :-( Anyway, I'm thinking there must be a way to repair the mail index's (w/out deleting each one individually) One other note, the most recent miss-indexing of my mail folders occured during heavy disk access and cpu usage (tar'ing and moving files from one machine to another, (getting ready to do a clean install on my old computer) don't know if this means anything or not. Thanks for your info. Anyone else want to take a stab? -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com!
On Friday 24 January 2003 10:21 pm, David Herman wrote:
I love kmail but I'm really starting to get frustrated.
Every once in awhile Kmail will magically mark all the mail in certain folders as NEW. That wouldn't be a big problem except I spend a fair amount of time Marking messages that I find particularly fascinating as "Important". When kmail marks all the messages as new then it is easy to change the status of all messages to "Read" but I lose the visual cue I so lovingly created. -------------SNIP-------------------
Is there any way to restore the folders previous states rather than the unsatisfactory and ham fisted "folder-->mark all messages as read" menu?
Sorry to reply to my own message but I did a little more investigation. I found the same effect when I renamed some *.index files in my ~/Mail folder, so I suspect that something must be corrupting said indexes, and then either rebuilding them, or my marking all as read re-creates the files. I haven't done much (any?) linux scripting but this seems like something that a script run by cron might allow me to work around. I don't want to backup the whole Mail folder every 1/2 hour (I don't seem to be losing mails) but the *.index, *.index.ids and *.index sorted files would sure be handy. I'm open to suggestion ;-) -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com!
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:03, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 24 January 2003 10:21 pm, David Herman wrote:
I love kmail but I'm really starting to get frustrated.
Every once in awhile Kmail will magically mark all the mail in certain folders as NEW. That wouldn't be a big problem except I spend a fair amount of time Marking messages that I find particularly fascinating as "Important". When kmail marks all the messages as new then it is easy to change the status of all messages to "Read" but I lose the visual cue I so lovingly created.
-------------SNIP-------------------
Is there any way to restore the folders previous states rather than the unsatisfactory and ham fisted "folder-->mark all messages as read" menu?
Sorry to reply to my own message but I did a little more investigation. I found the same effect when I renamed some *.index files in my ~/Mail folder, so I suspect that something must be corrupting said indexes, and then either rebuilding them, or my marking all as read re-creates the files.
I haven't done much (any?) linux scripting but this seems like something that a script run by cron might allow me to work around. I don't want to backup the whole Mail folder every 1/2 hour (I don't seem to be losing mails) but the *.index, *.index.ids and *.index sorted files would sure be handy.
I'm open to suggestion ;-)
Hi, I've had similar problems at work. What I found is that most of the problems are associated with mbox format, which was the default for earlier Kmail (I think). So I moved all the mail over to maildir format. I'm still evaluating if this overcomes the problem. The other thing I found helps is to compress the mail boxes regularly which I assume fixes up the indexes. -- Regards, Graham Smith ---------------------------------------------------------
On Saturday 25 January 2003 07:26 pm, Graham Smith wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:03, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 24 January 2003 10:21 pm, David Herman wrote:
I love kmail but I'm really starting to get frustrated.
Every once in awhile Kmail will magically mark all the mail in certain folders as NEW. -------------SNIP-------------------
I've had similar problems at work. What I found is that most of the problems are associated with mbox format, which was the default for earlier Kmail (I think). So I moved all the mail over to maildir format. I'm still evaluating if this overcomes the problem.
The other thing I found helps is to compress the mail boxes regularly which I assume fixes up the indexes.
Thanks, I'll look into switching over as well as compressing the mailboxes. I'd like to mention I tried I tried Andrew's suggestion: e2fsck -f /dev/whatever or reiserfsck /dev/whatever And thankfully (but unfortunately in reguard to fixing my problem) there were no filesystem problems. I expected as much but it was worth a try. Your suggestion sounds closer to where I would expect the problem to be found, I'll need to read up on how to switch my mailbox format and try it out. Is there any functional diference I will see as a user? I've got a couple of big mailboxes ([SLE] and a couple of other lists). Thanks for the help. -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com!
On Saturday 25 January 2003 11:25 pm, David Herman wrote:
On Saturday 25 January 2003 07:26 pm, Graham Smith wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:03, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 24 January 2003 10:21 pm, David Herman wrote:
I love kmail but I'm really starting to get frustrated.
Every once in awhile Kmail will magically mark all the mail in certain folders as NEW.
-------------SNIP-------------------
I've had similar problems at work. What I found is that most of the problems are associated with mbox format, which was the default for earlier Kmail (I think). So I moved all the mail over to maildir format. I'm still evaluating if this overcomes the problem.
The other thing I found helps is to compress the mail boxes regularly which I assume fixes up the indexes.
Thanks, I'll look into switching over as well as compressing the mailboxes. ----------snip-----------
Well I should have checked my prefs first, it looks like my messages are already being stored in maildir format(but w/out compression), maybe the compression will do some good though. thanks again -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com!
On Sunday 26 January 2003 04:26, Graham Smith wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:03, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 24 January 2003 10:21 pm, David Herman wrote:
I love kmail but I'm really starting to get frustrated.
Every once in awhile Kmail will magically mark all the mail in certain folders as NEW. That wouldn't be a big problem except I spend a fair amount of time Marking messages that I find particularly fascinating as "Important". When kmail marks all the messages as new then it is easy to change the status of all messages to "Read" but I lose the visual cue I so lovingly created.
-------------SNIP-------------------
Is there any way to restore the folders previous states rather than the unsatisfactory and ham fisted "folder-->mark all messages as read" menu?
Sorry to reply to my own message but I did a little more investigation. I found the same effect when I renamed some *.index files in my ~/Mail folder, so I suspect that something must be corrupting said indexes, and then either rebuilding them, or my marking all as read re-creates the files.
I haven't done much (any?) linux scripting but this seems like something that a script run by cron might allow me to work around. I don't want to backup the whole Mail folder every 1/2 hour (I don't seem to be losing mails) but the *.index, *.index.ids and *.index sorted files would sure be handy.
I'm open to suggestion ;-)
Hi,
I've had similar problems at work. What I found is that most of the problems are associated with mbox format, which was the default for earlier Kmail (I think). So I moved all the mail over to maildir format. I'm still evaluating if this overcomes the problem.
How do I do this move my old mails over to maildir format ? Thanks in advance Didi
Good day Dietrich, Lørdag den 15. marts 2003 19:02 kvad Dietrich Restemeyer:
How do I do this move my old mails over to maildir format ?
In Kmail you create a new folder and select to use maildir as the format when asked. Then you drag and drop from your mbox folder to your maildir folder. Best regards :o) Johnny :o)
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