[opensuse-kde] Couple of Kmail questions
Hello SuSE people, 11.1, KDE4.2, Kmail 1.11.1 How does one get rid of that annoying blue pop-up thing when mousing over the message list or the directory list? How does one make Kmail use Firefox for it's browser rather than Konqueror? There's more I think. Later Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Fredag den 27. marts 2009 04:59:20 skrev Bob Stia:
11.1, KDE4.2, Kmail 1.11.1
How does one get rid of that annoying blue pop-up thing when mousing over the message list or the directory list?
Settings -> Configure KMail -> Appearance -> Mail overview -> uncheck "show tooltips for mails and group headers. I'm translating backwards from Danish, so it might not be 100% correct. Can't figure out how to do it for the folder list.
How does one make Kmail use Firefox for it's browser rather than Konqueror?
KMail should use the global kde settings from systemsettings -> Default Applications -> Webbrowser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 27. März 2009 09:31:49 schrieb Martin Schlander:
How does one get rid of that annoying blue pop-up thing when mousing over the message list or the directory list?
Settings -> Configure KMail -> Appearance -> Mail overview -> uncheck "show tooltips for mails and group headers.
I'm translating backwards from Danish, so it might not be 100% correct.
Can't figure out how to do it for the folder list.
Right-click on the column header. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 27 March 2009 04:31:49 Martin Schlander wrote:
Fredag den 27. marts 2009 04:59:20 skrev Bob Stia:
11.1, KDE4.2, Kmail 1.11.1
How does one get rid of that annoying blue pop-up thing when mousing over the message list or the directory list?
Settings -> Configure KMail -> Appearance -> Mail overview -> uncheck "show tooltips for mails and group headers.
Don't have that choice in the menu. In appearance I have: fonts, colors, layout, message list, message window,system tray, and message tags. I also tried Sven's advice and found the Display Tooltips for the folder list and checked Never. Doesn't work.
I'm translating backwards from Danish, so it might not be 100% correct.
Can't figure out how to do it for the folder list.
How does one make Kmail use Firefox for it's browser rather than Konqueror?
KMail should use the global kde settings from systemsettings -> Default Applications -> Webbrowser
Got Kmail to use Firefox. Thanks for that. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 27 March 2009 10:39:48 pm Bob Stia wrote:
On Friday 27 March 2009 04:31:49 Martin Schlander wrote:
Fredag den 27. marts 2009 04:59:20 skrev Bob Stia:
11.1, KDE4.2, Kmail 1.11.1
How does one get rid of that annoying blue pop-up thing when mousing over the message list or the directory list?
Settings -> Configure KMail -> Appearance -> Mail overview -> uncheck "show tooltips for mails and group headers.
Don't have that choice in the menu. In appearance I have: fonts, colors, layout, message list, message window,system tray, and message tags.
I also tried Sven's advice and found the Display Tooltips for the folder list and checked Never. Doesn't work.
I'm translating backwards from Danish, so it might not be 100% correct.
Can't figure out how to do it for the folder list.
How does one make Kmail use Firefox for it's browser rather than Konqueror?
KMail should use the global kde settings from systemsettings -> Default Applications -> Webbrowser
Got Kmail to use Firefox. Thanks for that.
Bob S To hide to pop up for the messages, try Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Appearance -> Message List -> uncheck show tooltips for mails and group headers. (this is from an English installation) Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 28 March 2009 09:42:01 Michael Harnden wrote:
On Friday 27 March 2009 10:39:48 pm Bob Stia wrote:
On Friday 27 March 2009 04:31:49 Martin Schlander wrote:
Fredag den 27. marts 2009 04:59:20 skrev Bob Stia:
11.1, KDE4.2, Kmail 1.11.1
How does one get rid of that annoying blue pop-up thing when mousing over the message list or the directory list?
Settings -> Configure KMail -> Appearance -> Mail overview -> uncheck "show tooltips for mails and group headers.
Don't have that choice in the menu. In appearance I have: fonts, colors, layout, message list, message window,system tray, and message tags.
I also tried Sven's advice and found the Display Tooltips for the folder list and checked Never. Doesn't work.
I'm translating backwards from Danish, so it might not be 100% correct.
Can't figure out how to do it for the folder list.
How does one make Kmail use Firefox for it's browser rather than Konqueror?
KMail should use the global kde settings from systemsettings -> Default Applications -> Webbrowser
Got Kmail to use Firefox. Thanks for that.
Bob S
To hide to pop up for the messages, try Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Appearance -> Message List -> uncheck show tooltips for mails and group headers. (this is from an English installation) Mike
Thanks Mike, Mine was unchecked. So I checked it, hit apply, unchecked it again, hit apply and now they are gone. Thanks again. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 March 2009 23:59:20 Bob Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
11.1, KDE4.2, Kmail 1.11.1
How does one get rid of that annoying blue pop-up thing when mousing over the message list or the directory list?
How does one make Kmail use Firefox for it's browser rather than Konqueror?
There's more I think. Later
Yep, two more for now, How do you make Kmail open attachments (jpegs) in line instead of icons? How do you change the type of header of the message in the preview panel? (from the long fancy header to something short and less verbose) I've really been trying guys. All of these things used to be so simple. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 28 March 2009 03:59:29 Bob Stia wrote:
On Thursday 26 March 2009 23:59:20 Bob Stia wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
11.1, KDE4.2, Kmail 1.11.1
How does one get rid of that annoying blue pop-up thing when mousing over the message list or the directory list?
How does one make Kmail use Firefox for it's browser rather than Konqueror?
There's more I think. Later
Yep, two more for now,
How do you make Kmail open attachments (jpegs) in line instead of icons?
View -> Attachments
How do you change the type of header of the message in the preview panel? (from the long fancy header to something short and less verbose)
View -> Header
I've really been trying guys. All of these things used to be so simple.
I am using KMail in german language, so menus could be named a littlebit different, but you should it find basically in the view menu (third menu from left).
Bob S
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On Friday March 27 2009, Bob Stia wrote:
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Yep, two more for now,
As Matthias' answers suggest, a bit of exploration of the GUI of KMail (and most any decently designed application) can disclose a lot about its capabilities and how to exploit them.
...
Bob S
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On Sat March 28 2009 8:57:51 am Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Friday March 27 2009, Bob Stia wrote:
...
Yep, two more for now,
As Matthias' answers suggest, a bit of exploration of the GUI of KMail (and most any decently designed application) can disclose a lot about its capabilities and how to exploit them.
...
Bob S
Randall Schulz
While exploration is a good thing, it is also true that given that 4.1.2 is *supposed* to be a 'user' release, unlike the previous 4.x releases which were supposedly for (my term) 'cutting edge addicts' only, then DOCUMENTATION should be included, or at a minimum, given this is supposedly a replacement for the current, functional, old, outmoded, ancient, static, dead-end version of KDE 3.5.x, the new version should include a list of features that are done differently or not included in this version relative to the older versions that *are* documented. There seems to be a saying that I think is true for bathrooms and programming "The jobs' not done until the paperwork is done". I think this applies to KDE as well. The release isn't done until the documentation is done. Beta level releases should have at least beta level documentation included. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
In <200903281344.10852.ricreig@gmail.com>, Richard wrote:
While exploration is a good thing, it is also true that given that 4.1.2 is *supposed* to be a 'user' release
1) I think you mean KDE 4.2.x, which is meant for the majority of end users. KDE 4.1.2 is from the KDE 4.1.x line, which was meant for early adopters and developers. 2) Users can and will explore. If you display every option at once, the one you are looking for gets lost in the noise. However, if you have some suggestions to make thing more discoverable, I'm sure the HIG would love to hear them. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
On Sat March 28 2009 3:36:54 pm Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In <200903281344.10852.ricreig@gmail.com>, Richard wrote:
While exploration is a good thing, it is also true that given that 4.1.2 is *supposed* to be a 'user' release
1) I think you mean KDE 4.2.x, which is meant for the majority of end users. KDE 4.1.2 is from the KDE 4.1.x line, which was meant for early adopters and developers.
Yes, my dyslexia is showing....
2) Users can and will explore. If you display every option at once, the one you are looking for gets lost in the noise. However, if you have some suggestions to make thing more discoverable, I'm sure the HIG would love to hear them.
Here, we disagree somewhat....it is a LOT easier to explore when one has some kind of a map....blind exploration is for the 'early adopters' you mentioned. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 28. März 2009 18:44:10 schrieb Richard:
While exploration is a good thing, it is also true that given that 4.1.2 is *supposed* to be a 'user' release, unlike the previous 4.x releases which were supposedly for (my term) 'cutting edge addicts' only, then DOCUMENTATION should be included, or at a minimum, given this is supposedly a replacement for the current, functional, old, outmoded, ancient, static, dead-end version of KDE 3.5.x, the new version should include a list of features that are done differently or not included in this version relative to the older versions that *are* documented.
There seems to be a saying that I think is true for bathrooms and programming "The jobs' not done until the paperwork is done". I think this applies to KDE as well. The release isn't done until the documentation is done. Beta level releases should have at least beta level documentation included.
Documentation is really something everybody can do, so you are free to contribute to it. If nobody does, there won't be any. given the resources, developers will focus on developing and leave the rest (support and docs) to the non-developers. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 28 March 2009 02:44:21 pm Sven Burmeister wrote:
Given the resources, developers will focus on developing and leave the rest (support and docs) to the non-developers.
It doesn't actually matter, how thick or thin are resources. Coders are skilled to code, that is what they do the best. Taking how much time is needed to acquire that skills, it is waste of their time to do more than to proof read, giving comments on technical correctness of docs. That is how it works everywhere software is created. This is Ann Wilson signature: "New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase." Concise way to say how it should be in opensource. I would use opportunity to call people to read our wiki and contribute. Every little bit is help. Take article and correct grammar, it is help. One article in a year, it is fine. Write draft for some article, it is big help. Write whole article, it is awesome. Think of structure of index pages, give proposals how to make topic more accessible from new user, or expert, perspective. What words to use, how to organize information. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Sat March 28 2009 3:44:21 pm Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Samstag, 28. M�rz 2009 18:44:10 schrieb Richard:
While exploration is a good thing, it is also true that given that 4.1.2 is *supposed* to be a 'user' release, unlike the previous 4.x releases which were supposedly for (my term) 'cutting edge addicts' only, then DOCUMENTATION should be included, or at a minimum, given this is supposedly a replacement for the current, functional, old, outmoded, ancient, static, dead-end version of KDE 3.5.x, the new version should include a list of features that are done differently or not included in this version relative to the older versions that *are* documented.
There seems to be a saying that I think is true for bathrooms and programming "The jobs' not done until the paperwork is done". I think this applies to KDE as well. The release isn't done until the documentation is done. Beta level releases should have at least beta level documentation included.
Documentation is really something everybody can do, so you are free to contribute to it. If nobody does, there won't be any. given the resources, developers will focus on developing and leave the rest (support and docs) to the non-developers.
Sven
Absolutely wrong IMO. Not everyone has the ability to communicate using the written medium and I submit that no one has the ability to document something that exists only in the mind of a 'coder'. If a 'developer' is so disorganized that he/she can't write down what his code does in some kind of a human language, it will only be by accident if an 'untrained public' 'beta tester' will find all of the hidden secrets. If a 'tester' is good enough to uncover all of these hidden undocumented and unmapped 'features', it is likely that he/she is not also able or inclined to document anything as the talents used in discovering hidden or undocumented features are quite different than those required to document them and their excuse is just as valid as the 'developers': "I don't have any time because if I spend my time documenting, I won't have time to discover the undocumented features." Developers like KDE primarily do it, IMO, because they love what they do, because they want the satisfaction of producing something the people want to use, something that beats the crap out of Monopolistic predators like M$ Windoze, or whatever blows thieir skirts, but that likely being the case, they should realize that their project is much more likely to succeed if they do the job right and completely and not depend on 'leave the rest (support and docs) to the non-developers' who are not in a position of knowledge to know what is supposed to work, what is available to test, what is different from previous releases that had similar features, etc. One thing you are right about though, if NOBODY (including the developers) step up and do the documentation, it is a pretty sure bet that the project, KDE in this case, will never rip the title from M$ or anyone else. It is just that for a developer or anyone else to EXPECT others to provide the basics of documentation and support is absurd. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Søndag den 29. marts 2009 05:16:57 skrev Richard:
One thing you are right about though, if NOBODY (including the developers) step up and do the documentation, it is a pretty sure bet that the project, KDE in this case, will never rip the title from M$ or anyone else. It is just that for a developer or anyone else to EXPECT others to provide the basics of documentation and support is absurd.
Do you really think a significant percentage of users have ever spent as much as 60 seconds reading KDE documentation? My estimate is way below 10%. Try to keep things in perspective. You should also consider that the KMail UI improvements being discussed here are brand new features in KDE 4.2 - mostly done by a Google Summer of Code student if I'm not mistaken. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On March 29, 2009 12:21:20 am Martin Schlander wrote:
S�ndag den 29. marts 2009 05:16:57 skrev Richard:
One thing you are right about though, if NOBODY (including the developers) step up and do the documentation, it is a pretty sure bet that the project, KDE in this case, will never rip the title from M$ or anyone else. It is just that for a developer or anyone else to EXPECT others to provide the basics of documentation and support is absurd.
Do you really think a significant percentage of users have ever spent as much as 60 seconds reading KDE documentation? My estimate is way below 10%. Try to keep things in perspective.
Of course they have. That's usually the first place people look if there is a problem they don't know how to deal with. Dismissing the need for adequate documentation on the specious grounds no one uses it anyway is really absurd. A lot of opensource software, though, does seem to suffer somewhat in the documentation side, not just kde. It's almost as though the developers have the attitude that they provide the programming for free so they don't need to do documentation as well. I have sympathies for both sides of this conundrum, but perhaps there is a middle way where developers and users could benefit from more interaction on documentation - where developers provide basic outlines that non-programmers could flesh out, and users help to write some of that documentation.
You should also consider that the KMail UI improvements being discussed here are brand new features in KDE 4.2 - mostly done by a Google Summer of Code student if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, perhaps we should cut some slack on really new features. But my basic point is that we all need to help, and there is a need for adequate documentation. -- Bob Smits, bob@rsmits.ca "Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." -- Howard Aiken -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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