[opensuse-kde] KDE file dialogs in Thunderbird and Firefox
Hi all, it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1]. Alternatively, the line export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1 can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/. Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects? Best, Tom [1] https://pointieststick.com/2018/12/16/this-week-in-usability-productivity-pa... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Am 10.07.20 um 08:26 schrieb Tom:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
I have some stupid questions about GTK_USE_PORTAL: When I check the Firefox code GTK_USE_PORTAL is already activated for Firefox when running in wayland mode. So you are asking if it should be used always instead of the native implementation? Also openSUSE is shipping since ages with a patch to replace the Gtk filepicker with the KDE one when running under KDE. Wondering if this xdg-desktop-portal stuff will make this completely obsolete? Anyone has insights? Thanks, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Am 10.07.20 um 08:26 schrieb Tom:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
I have some stupid questions about GTK_USE_PORTAL: When I check the Firefox code GTK_USE_PORTAL is already activated for Firefox when running in wayland mode. So you are asking if it should be used always instead of the native implementation? Also openSUSE is shipping since ages with a patch to replace the Gtk filepicker with the KDE one when running under KDE. Wondering if this xdg-desktop-portal stuff will make this completely obsolete? Anyone has insights? Thanks, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 09:57:51 CEST schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:
Hi,
Am 10.07.20 um 08:26 schrieb Tom:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default.
That should not be the case, we have Firefox patched to use Qt ones. Maybe you're missing kmozillahelper?
To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
It seems to be the only option to get some sense into GTK and force it to integrate at least a bit. The issue is that this not only affects Firefox and its dialogs, but also other GTK 3+ applications and even those only inconsistently (GTK applications have to be programmed to explicitly use native file dialogs). AFAIK, it also means that certain settings are read over the portal instead of using the local configuration, which can lead to inconsistencies. Whether those downsides outweigh the upsides remains to be seen, definitely needs extensive testing.
I have some stupid questions about GTK_USE_PORTAL: When I check the Firefox code GTK_USE_PORTAL is already activated for Firefox when running in wayland mode. So you are asking if it should be used always instead of the native implementation?
Also openSUSE is shipping since ages with a patch to replace the Gtk filepicker with the KDE one when running under KDE. Wondering if this xdg-desktop-portal stuff will make this completely obsolete? Anyone has insights?
That's what I'm hoping for, but it's not a complete replacement yet. It doesn't support selecting directories and non-local files for instance, but I'd have to check again. Not sure about the button order. There are parts which the portal supports, but the mozilla integration patches don't, like print dialogs. I haven't tested those though. Cheers, Fabian
Thanks, Wolfgang
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On 10.07.20 11:38, Fabian Vogt wrote:
Hi,
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 09:57:51 CEST schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:
Hi,
Am 10.07.20 um 08:26 schrieb Tom:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default.
That should not be the case, we have Firefox patched to use Qt ones. Maybe you're missing kmozillahelper?
Hi Fabian, (sorry for hitting the wrong reply button) Yes, seems like it is not installed. I am not using Leap's MozillaFirefox package and therefore kmozillahelper was not pulled in. I just installed the kmozillahelper package, but it does not seem to apply to my manual Firefox installation. It fixes the dialogs in Thunderbird, though, which I installed as a package from the official repo. Is kmozillahelper only pulled in by the MozillaFirefox package, not by MozillaThunderbird? Best, Tom -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2020, 12:10:22 schrieb Tom Warnke:
On 10.07.20 11:38, Fabian Vogt wrote: just installed the kmozillahelper package, but it does not seem to apply to my manual Firefox installation. It fixes the dialogs in Thunderbird, though, which I installed as a package from the official repo. As already indicated, openSUSE's Firefox is patched to use KDE dialogs via kmozillahelper.
Just installing the latter will not do anything without the openSUSE patches to Firefox itself, i.e. it has no effect on a manual Firefox installation. (the same is true for Thunderbird btw.)
Is kmozillahelper only pulled in by the MozillaFirefox package, not by kmozillahelper supplements packageand(MozillaFirefox:plasma5-desktop), i.e. it should get installed automatically if MozillaFirefox *and* plasma5-desktop is installed (unless you disable installation of recommended packages).
Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Thanks for the comments, everyone!
As already indicated, openSUSE's Firefox is patched to use KDE dialogs via kmozillahelper.
OK, so the KDE file dialogs are already used automatically for everyone who has the firefox package. Thus, no need to mess around with environment variables.
kmozillahelper supplements packageand(MozillaFirefox:plasma5-desktop), i.e. it should get installed automatically if MozillaFirefox *and* plasma5-desktop is installed (unless you disable installation of recommended packages).
AFAICS, the only problem left is that the kmozillahelper and the thunderbird packages have no dependency relation. To fix this, I submitted a request [1] to automatically install kmozillahelper when MozillaThunderbird and plasma5-desktop are installed. That should help people who have the thunderbird package installed, but not the firefox package. And now I took so long writing this mail that the request was already accepted :-) Best, Tom [1] https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/821566 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am 10.07.20 um 09:57 schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:
Hi,
Am 10.07.20 um 08:26 schrieb Tom:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
I have some stupid questions about GTK_USE_PORTAL: When I check the Firefox code GTK_USE_PORTAL is already activated for Firefox when running in wayland mode.
For your interest: Leap 15.2 Firefox 78.0.1esr KDE Plasma 5.18 GTK_USE_PORTAL=1 is set ===> Firefox still does NOT use KDE/Qt file picker, but the GTK one.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am 21.07.20 um 00:03 schrieb mailinglisten@posteo.de:
(.....)
For your interest: Leap 15.2 Firefox 78.0.1esr KDE Plasma 5.18
GTK_USE_PORTAL=1 is set
===> Firefox still does NOT use KDE/Qt file picker, but the GTK one....
damn it.... Faulty apparmor profile, KDE file picker actually works.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/07/2020 08.26, Tom wrote:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
What about the people that are not using a KDE desktop? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [07-17-20 14:14]:
On 10/07/2020 08.26, Tom wrote:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
What about the people that are not using a KDE desktop?
they are not in opensuse-kde, with one exception. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/07/2020 22.07, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [07-17-20 14:14]:
On 10/07/2020 08.26, Tom wrote:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
What about the people that are not using a KDE desktop?
they are not in opensuse-kde, with one exception.
Which is precisely why I posted the question. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [07-17-20 16:39]:
On 17/07/2020 22.07, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [07-17-20 14:14]:
On 10/07/2020 08.26, Tom wrote:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
What about the people that are not using a KDE desktop?
they are not in opensuse-kde, with one exception.
Which is precisely why I posted the question.
then the question makes no sense to me ???? <quote> To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1]. </quote> does not mean that KDE dialogues are imposed on those not using kde/plasma5. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Am 17.07.20 um 20:11 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 10/07/2020 08.26, Tom wrote:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
What about the people that are not using a KDE desktop?
I do not understand the question I have to say. You want KDE dialogs when not using KDE? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/07/2020 22.44, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
Am 17.07.20 um 20:11 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 10/07/2020 08.26, Tom wrote:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
What about the people that are not using a KDE desktop?
I do not understand the question I have to say. You want KDE dialogs when not using KDE?
Nononono. The contrary, I do not want KDE dialogs forced on me when not using KDE, which is what I understand would do setting GTK_USE_PORTAL to 1 in the .desktop file. I must be mistaken somewhere, so I'm asking :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am 17.07.20 um 22:49 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 17/07/2020 22.44, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
Am 17.07.20 um 20:11 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 10/07/2020 08.26, Tom wrote:
Hi all,
it seems like Thunderbird and Firefox use GTK dialogs for opening and saving files by default. To make them use native KDE dialogs the environment variable GTK_USE_PORTAL must be set to 1. One way to do that is to edit the .desktop files for the applications [1].
Alternatively, the line
export GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
can be added in ~/.profile or even globally under /etc/profile.d/.
Would it make sense to add the global export in a package (e.g., a branding package)? This should make Firefox and Thunderbird use the KDE file dialogs by default for most users. Or would that have any unwanted side effects?
What about the people that are not using a KDE desktop?
I do not understand the question I have to say. You want KDE dialogs when not using KDE?
Nononono. The contrary, I do not want KDE dialogs forced on me when not using KDE, which is what I understand would do setting GTK_USE_PORTAL to 1 in the .desktop file.
I must be mistaken somewhere, so I'm asking :-)
since GTK_USE_PORTAL enables some xdg stuff and xdg (AFAIK) is meant to standardize Linux desktop things I would expect that GTK_USE_PORTAL going to xdg would try to use the best match for your desktop. But probably I'm wrong ;-) Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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