Am Sonntag, 22. Juli 2012, 18:05:28 schrieb todd rme:

Yes, but if we only take that into account, we wouldn't have eol at all, and we would just support every release forever. However, we have limited time and build resources, so we have to draw the line somewhere.

Exactly. KRxy is unsupported from the current point of view for "normal" releases already. Evergreen + KRxy is even more "unsupported". Evergreen AFAIU is mainly about keeping that version distro version secure, not about making it a rolling distro including KDE major release updates.

If someone wants to continue using an unsupported release, they need to be prepared to not have support for it. Otherwise eol completely loses its meaning.

It is not the kde team's job to care about evergreen and its repos. Keeping Extra, KUA etc. just building after e.g. 11.4 is eol is dangerous because they won't get any security updates. Evergreen users should stick to official repos + whatever evergreen people offer – not KDE repos. The most important distro versions currently are 12.1 and 12.2. IMHO any other distro version should only be included if those are set and ready and resources left. Whoever wants KDE 4.9 should simply update to 12.1. Raisin picking is just not on given the scarce resources. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2012-07-22 16:56, todd rme wrote:

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Does anyone have any thoughts, alternatives, or strong objections to any of this?

There is a reason why an evergreen user might use a recent kde version: that he updated to a then recent version while 11.4 was current. But there is no reason I can see for updating to a _more_ recent version once evergreen starts its cycle.

I don't know if I explained my point :-?

For example, I'm using 11.4 and the stable kde repo. When 11.4 reaches EOL and evergreen starts, can I continue to use that version, or do I have to revert to the original KDE as shipped with 11.4, or what?

At this moment in time the discusion is about laying the fundation for support of OSS 11.4 in the KR:49 repo. And even as Evergreen user, I have to say, drop support for everything below OSS / SLE 12 . It's just not worth the time on both sides, OBS and maintainer. For the first build I would just enable 12.1, get it running there, open up 12.2, get it working, and after that enable Factory. Most s..t you maintainers will find is around the change from C++99 to C++11, and GCC 4.7 is (sarcasm) super detailed (/sarcasm) on the error messages, Clang gives you more help. Thus 12.1 (gcc 4.6) will be easier than 12.2 (gcc 4.7) and Factory. TL;DR: That is my opinion on KR4.9 and OSS 11.4: No. For the other: = /KDE:/Release:/ - KR4.6 is OSS11.4 only, - KR4.7 is 11.4 and 12.1 - KR4.8 is 11.4 and 12.1 = /KDE:/Distro:/Stable/ - openSUSE_11.4 is a mix of 4.6.0 and 4.7.4 - openSUSE_12.1 is 4.7.4 = /KDE:/Distro:/Factory/ is 4.8.4 - SLE_11_SP2 is empty - openSUSE_11.4, openSUSE_12.1, openSUSE_12.2, and openSUSE_Factory are enabled. IMHO /KDE:/Distro:/Factory/ is mighty unclear in it's purpose. And the wiki page is no real help on this matter.

From my point of view /KDE:/Distro:/Factory/ should only contain openSUSE_12.2 (Distro_Next) and openSUSE_Factory

As openSUSE_12.2 is splitted of from openSUSE_Factory it could / should be moved to /KDE:/Distro:/Stable/. These are my thoughts on /KDE:/ . -- Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org