On Wednesday 18 of March 2009 13:30:49 Daniel Mader wrote:
We have a core problem in openSUSE that the build
process for KDE 4 is to
flaky. Features which work today are broken after the next factory build.
So yes: I think this is NOT a KDE upstream problem, but our own fault of
packaging. Factory is not usable for real, satisfactory work. Factory
development should not break things which perfectly work, imo.
It may be your opinion, but the reality disagrees (and, in case you haven't
noticed, this reality is far from perfect). The only way not to break things
is not to touch them.
Many of the above things will see a solution, I am
sure. But I really find
they should have had more importance in the first place. Most of the above
stuff should "just work" (tm), from the point of most users. It does not,
and will not, not even in 4.3... Rotating plasmoids is not a replacement
for the lack of core office productivity features.
You again fail to understand how things work. A rotating plasmoid is a
trivial work, since most of it is provided by the underlying technology in Qt.
Also, a Plasma developer cannot magically become a soundsystem or printing
developer overnight, or noticeably improve performance of KDE4 in the same
time creating a rotating plasmoid took.
Bashing those "poisonous users" may seem
justified from the
perspective of a volunteer developper from amarok and the like but it
doesn't make the problem go away.
Frankly, it actually does, in a way. It saves a huge amount of time to just
ignore complains that are all the same the whole time and that won't change
anything. Those developers do it in their spare time for fun, they have more
than enough work, and hearing for over a year that 'XYZ sucks and you too!'
does neither make it fun nor it helps with the work.
The same way I will not spend any more time on this thread. It just wastes
time and doesn't say anything new that hasn't been already discussed over and
KDE 4 is currently not an option for serious desktop
usage. Period. What
scares me, though, is the fact that it will still not be an option in 4.3
and thus 11.2.
That is what you say and there are others who disagree. Nobody is however
forcing you and I'm sure you can figure out all the options you have to solve
We *need* better packaging,
I remember times when saying 'we need' meant 'and I will work on
that', but I
assume those times have long gone, haven't they? Or what exactly entitles you
to say this and not just sound like somebody who complains and makes requests
about something they get for free?
and we need stable, frequent and reliable KDE4
Reality check says this is a contradiction.
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