[opensuse-kde] ANNOUNCE: KDE:KDE4:UNSTABLE:Extra-Apps -> KDE:KDE4:Playground
Hi, as decided in the last openSUSE KDE IRC meeting (http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings), I've started to move the unstable, not yet released applications from KDE:KDE4:UNSTABLE:Extra-Apps into KDE:KDE4:Playground. Whats the difference? - For those who just use the applications: There should be none except for the different repository name. Please update your sources list. - For those who want to contribute back: KDE:KDE4:Playground has the same user and access list like KDE:KDE4:Community, so it should be wide open for anyone interested to help out - It is configured like KDE:KDE4:Community, so only one source copy and build against various repositories - released versions are likely to end up in KDE:KDE4:Community, unstable/unreleased snapshots in KDE:KDE4:Playground. This should make your decision which repository to pick much easier. Whats the future? KDE:KDE4:Factory:Extra-Apps is going to be merged into KDE:KDE4:Playground as well. Greetings, Dirk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 21. april 2009 09:52:51 skrev Dirk Müller:
as decided in the last openSUSE KDE IRC meeting (http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings), I've started to move the unstable, not yet released applications from KDE:KDE4:UNSTABLE:Extra-Apps into KDE:KDE4:Playground.
Great. It would probably be a good idea if the maintainers of packages for unreleased applications like kde4-basket or kde4-kile moved those to :Playground. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 April 2009 10:05:02 Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 21. april 2009 09:52:51 skrev Dirk Müller:
as decided in the last openSUSE KDE IRC meeting (http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings), I've started to move the unstable, not yet released applications from KDE:KDE4:UNSTABLE:Extra-Apps into KDE:KDE4:Playground.
Great. It would probably be a good idea if the maintainers of packages for unreleased applications like kde4-basket or kde4-kile moved those to
:Playground.
Hi, while we're at it, why not create another 5 repositories for KDE4? Desktop, Extra, Playground, and Community is not enough to fully confuse users where to get packages from. I suggest: Semistable, Workssomewhat, Dontlike, Soso, and Willneverbecomestable. (The latter chould be used for plasma :). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 21. april 2009 10:23:01 skrev Daniel Mader:
while we're at it, why not create another 5 repositories for KDE4? Desktop, Extra, Playground, and Community is not enough to fully confuse users where to get packages from.
You seemed to miss the point that Extra-apps is being phased out. Meaning the number of repos remains the same, and this change can only be positive for users and packagers alike. However maybe now is a good time to plan further cleanup. Since soon many users will want to fiddle with their repos anyway to remain on 4.2.x when 4.3beta moves to factory. Here's what I suggest: * Drop the KDE4: part and the now/soon redundant :Desktop part. * Merge kde4:community into (kde3) community * Use Backports for KDE4 apps as well For 11.1 that would leave us with the following: "Desktops" /KDE:/STABLE:/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only) /KDE:/Factory:/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only) KDE:/UNSTABLE:/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only) /KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only) "Add-ons" /KDE:/Backports/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only?) /KDE:/Community/openSUSE_11.1/ (anybody) /KDE:/Playground/openSUSE_11.1/ (anybody) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 April 2009 10:50:31 Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 21. april 2009 10:23:01 skrev Daniel Mader:
while we're at it, why not create another 5 repositories for KDE4? Desktop, Extra, Playground, and Community is not enough to fully confuse users where to get packages from.
You seemed to miss the point that Extra-apps is being phased out. Meaning the number of repos remains the same, and this change can only be positive for users and packagers alike.
Ah, true, I really missed that in the initial email :)
However maybe now is a good time to plan further cleanup. Since soon many users will want to fiddle with their repos anyway to remain on 4.2.x when 4.3beta moves to factory.
Here's what I suggest: * Drop the KDE4: part and the now/soon redundant :Desktop part. * Merge kde4:community into (kde3) community * Use Backports for KDE4 apps as well
For 11.1 that would leave us with the following:
"Desktops" /KDE:/STABLE:/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only) /KDE:/Factory:/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only) KDE:/UNSTABLE:/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only) /KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only)
"Add-ons" /KDE:/Backports/openSUSE_11.1/ (novell only?) /KDE:/Community/openSUSE_11.1/ (anybody) /KDE:/Playground/openSUSE_11.1/ (anybody)
May I ask why Community and Playground are separated at all? Both repos are mostly community-maintained, and surely the maturity of a package can't be derived from the repo: I've seen too many failing released versions, while at the same time I sucessfully use so-called betas. If a package is built from svn or from release sources, that information could and should be deducted from the version/minor version of a package better than from the repo it comes from... I am sure that users who like additional software exceeding the delivered one know what that means in terms of maintenance and maybe code quality. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 21. april 2009 11:57:08 skrev Daniel Mader:
May I ask why Community and Playground are separated at all? Both repos are mostly community-maintained, and surely the maturity of a package can't be derived from the repo: I've seen too many failing released versions, while at the same time I sucessfully use so-called betas.
If a package is built from svn or from release sources, that information could and should be deducted from the version/minor version of a package better than from the repo it comes from...
I am sure that users who like additional software exceeding the delivered one know what that means in terms of maintenance and maybe code quality.
I am sure most users don't understand a thing. We need to think beyond the now. For 11.2 the kde4:/community repo will presumably be available in the "Community repositories" yast module for easy adding with clicky, clicky. This class of users has no clue what git or svn means - if they even look at the version number at all before installing - usually they just expect an invisible to hand to make sure everything within their reach is idiot proof. Some officially released apps may be a bit unstable, but they're not likely to be completely broken, but even if that happens we can wash our hands and point fingers at upstream. If upstream doesn't consider something release-worthy we should generally respect that and not push the stuff it on users without proper "warning". Especially if there's not even an official beta or rc from upstream, but only pre-beta svn/git versions. Even if some svn revision works great it might break at any moment, there's no reason to put unsuspecting users through such a rollercoaster. Also the split better allows packagers to provide both stable/released versions _and_ devel-versions for the same apps, without things becoming too messy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:57:08 Daniel Mader wrote:
If a package is built from svn or from release sources, that information could and should be deducted from the version/minor version of a package better than from the repo it comes from...
And your package manager knows how to differ between stable and development packages, so you can tell it (do not) install development versions? And how to have release and development versions at same time otherwise? Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Is the playground repository ultimately going to have all of the packages from the playground KDE svn directories? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Dirk Müller <dmueller@suse.de> wrote:
Hi,
as decided in the last openSUSE KDE IRC meeting (http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings), I've started to move the unstable, not yet released applications from KDE:KDE4:UNSTABLE:Extra-Apps into KDE:KDE4:Playground.
Whats the difference?
- For those who just use the applications: There should be none except for the different repository name. Please update your sources list.
- For those who want to contribute back: KDE:KDE4:Playground has the same user and access list like KDE:KDE4:Community, so it should be wide open for anyone interested to help out
- It is configured like KDE:KDE4:Community, so only one source copy and build against various repositories
- released versions are likely to end up in KDE:KDE4:Community, unstable/unreleased snapshots in KDE:KDE4:Playground. This should make your decision which repository to pick much easier.
Whats the future?
KDE:KDE4:Factory:Extra-Apps is going to be merged into KDE:KDE4:Playground as well.
Greetings, Dirk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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Tirsdag den 21. april 2009 17:02:56 skrev todd rme:
Is the playground repository ultimately going to have all of the packages from the playground KDE svn directories?
Propably not. Depends what people want to package of course. And it will of course also include devel stuff from elsewhere - as it already does. Stuff from extragear trunk or kde stuff developed outside kde svn like basket for example. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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