[opensuse-kde] Window-switching in 4.10.x is animated and slow
Hello! First of all thank you all for continuously providing fresh KDE compilations for openSUSE. In my case for openSUSE 12.2. Problem: KDE 4.10.x: Whenever I switch from an active window to another (inactive) one the title bar and the corner frame are _animatedly_ getting colored, what takes _too much_ time before the window gets active/usable. This applies to all open windows (e.g. Firefox, konsole, smplayer, Thunderbird, dolphin, ...) and to starting ones. No way to turn this off?! Workaround: Downdgrade to KDE 4.9.5. The problem described above doesn't occur with 4.9.x. My machine is quite old but working well, I have a working 3.8.5 kernel with ck1 (BFS v0.428) and BFQ v6. I'll add more info if needed upon request. As I'm not yet on your mailing list please CC me, if I wrote to the wrong address, please, help/point me to the right one. Best regards, Manuel Krause -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
In data sabato 30 marzo 2013 22:33:06, Manuel Krause ha scritto: Hello,
Problem: KDE 4.10.x: Whenever I switch from an active window to another (inactive) one the title bar and the corner frame are
In order to understand the problem better, here are some questions: What graphics card and drivers are you using? Are you using desktop effects? Does the same problem occur if you turn them off (System Settings > Desktop Effects)? What window decoration are you using? Under "System Settings > Desktop Effects > Advanced" what is the setting for "Qt Graphicssystem"? -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79
Hi! Thanks for the immediate reply! On 2013-03-30 22:45, Luca Beltrame wrote:
In data sabato 30 marzo 2013 22:33:06, Manuel Krause ha scritto:
Hello,
Problem: KDE 4.10.x: Whenever I switch from an active window to another (inactive) one the title bar and the corner frame are
In order to understand the problem better, here are some questions:
What graphics card and drivers are you using? The card is an ATI HD 4350 with radeon non-proprietary driver, most recent XOrg from openSUSE servers.
Are you using desktop effects? No. My system is too slow for eye-candies! I've tried all other combinations so far. Normally I had composite = on (xorg.conf) and all effects in KDE turned off. But ATM it makes no difference if I set it to ON --- regarding the problem.
Does the same problem occur if you turn them off (System Settings > Desktop Effects)? See above.
What window decoration are you using? It's named "Plastik". Since 4.10.x it's configurable! Maybe too troublesome??
Under "System Settings > Desktop Effects > Advanced" what is the setting for "Qt Graphicssystem"? "native" The other available one would be "raster", but that was not usable in 4.9.x so I don't want to try it again.
Thank you, Manuel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 of March 2013 23:16:02 Manuel Krause wrote:
Hi! Thanks for the immediate reply!
On 2013-03-30 22:45, Luca Beltrame wrote:
In data sabato 30 marzo 2013 22:33:06, Manuel Krause ha scritto:
Hello,
Problem: KDE 4.10.x: Whenever I switch from an active window to another (inactive) one the title bar and the corner frame are
In order to understand the problem better, here are some questions:
What graphics card and drivers are you using?
The card is an ATI HD 4350 with radeon non-proprietary driver, most recent XOrg from openSUSE servers. That is openSUSE 12.2 update, or X11:XOrg repo? What is your Mesa version?
Are you using desktop effects?
No. My system is too slow for eye-candies! I've tried all other combinations so far. Normally I had composite = on (xorg.conf) and all effects in KDE turned off. But ATM it makes no difference if I set it to ON --- regarding the problem.
Does the same problem occur if you turn them off (System Settings > Desktop Effects)?
See above.
What window decoration are you using?
It's named "Plastik". Since 4.10.x it's configurable! Maybe too troublesome??
Under "System Settings > Desktop Effects > Advanced" what is the setting for "Qt Graphicssystem"?
"native" The other available one would be "raster", but that was not usable in 4.9.x so I don't want to try it again. According to techbase[1] , raster is recommended for your setup, maybe you can try with that? Or try with a different deco, to see is it only Plastik related? Though, i did had a similar issue to yours, with Compositing on, and i have resolved it by using kwin_gles. I also have radeon, 3650 mobility card. And i am using master Mesa, so that's why i'm asking about Mesa version, could be a regression there.
Thank you, Manuel
-------- [1] http://userbase.kde.org/Desktop_Effects_Performance#Qt_Graphics_System -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Lørdag den 30. marts 2013 22:33:06 skrev Manuel Krause:
First of all thank you all for continuously providing fresh KDE compilations for openSUSE. In my case for openSUSE 12.2.
Problem: KDE 4.10.x: Whenever I switch from an active window to another (inactive) one the title bar and the corner frame are _animatedly_ getting colored, what takes _too much_ time before the window gets active/usable. This applies to all open windows (e.g. Firefox, konsole, smplayer, Thunderbird, dolphin, ...) and to starting ones. No way to turn this off?!
Workaround: Downdgrade to KDE 4.9.5. The problem described above doesn't occur with 4.9.x.
As Luca said there are basically two suspects. Either some desktop in 4.10 effect does not work very well with your particular gfxcard/gfx driver. So try turning off all effects and see if it changes anything. Later you can turn them back on one by one until you find which one messes things up. Or assuming you're using the default Oxygen window decoration, try running 'oxygen-settings' and turn off the animations, which might also be slow and annoying depending on your gfxcard/gfx driver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-03-31 08:55, Martin Schlander wrote:
Lørdag den 30. marts 2013 22:33:06 skrev Manuel Krause:
First of all thank you all for continuously providing fresh KDE compilations for openSUSE. In my case for openSUSE 12.2.
Problem: KDE 4.10.x: Whenever I switch from an active window to another (inactive) one the title bar and the corner frame are _animatedly_ getting colored, what takes _too much_ time before the window gets active/usable. This applies to all open windows (e.g. Firefox, konsole, smplayer, Thunderbird, dolphin, ...) and to starting ones. No way to turn this off?!
Workaround: Downdgrade to KDE 4.9.5. The problem described above doesn't occur with 4.9.x.
As Luca said there are basically two suspects.
Either some desktop in 4.10 effect does not work very well with your particular gfxcard/gfx driver. So try turning off all effects and see if it changes anything. Later you can turn them back on one by one until you find which one messes things up.
Or assuming you're using the default Oxygen window decoration, try running 'oxygen-settings' and turn off the animations, which might also be slow and annoying depending on your gfxcard/gfx driver
Sorry for answering so late. I'd like to answer to all your posts in one mail, as some posters didn't CC me. I needed some time to figure out what all your hints were for and to test them. Maybe I've never had gotten the clue to what "Compositing" in KDE meant before reading all your answers. @ Martin Schlander: * Using the Oxygen-deco (and disabling all eye-candy with 'oxygen-settings') extremely improves performance over _Plastik_<-- what I used before * And... I'd need more time to 'like' the Oxygen Theme, as it's not pretty! * When having these settings, overall "snappyness" or "interactivity" is great now within KDE desktop, but it uses a higher CPU base usage compared with KDE 4.9.5. @ šumski: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/XOrg/ is the source of my actual X (regularily updated!). regarding QT: Raster is only useful if using Composite = ON (xorg.conf) AND ENABLING OpenGL compositing in KDE @startup regarding QT: without any compositing, use "native", as "raster" takes too many resources then. Actual results from # qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin supportInformation [...] Compositing =========== Qt Graphics System: raster Compositing is active Compositing Type: OpenGL ES 2.0 OpenGL vendor string: X.Org OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV710 OpenGL version string: OpenGL ES 3.0 Mesa 9.1.1 Driver: R600G GPU class: R700 OpenGL version: 3.0 Mesa version: 9.1.1 X server version: 1.14 Linux kernel version: 3.8.5 Direct rendering: yes Requires strict binding: no GLSL shaders: yes Texture NPOT support: yes Virtual Machine: no OpenGL 2 Shaders are used Loaded Effects: --------------- Currently Active Effects: ------------------------- Effect Settings: ---------------- -EOF- * The Card is a HD 4350 from ATI. * kwin_gles itself doesn't provide noticeable advantages nor disadvantages. Best regards, Manuel Krause -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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