[opensuse-kde] Applications 17.12 Beta to enter KDE:Applications

Hello, to expedite review for submission (Tumbleweed / Leap 15) and encourage testing, the recently released KDE Applications 17.12 Beta[1] will soon (within a few days) enter KDE:Applications. This release drops all kdelibs4, Qt 4.x based software. The list of changed packages is available at [2]. We will deal with these packages (delete or keep) on a case by case basis. A separate mail will be sent once the packages have been checked in. [1] https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-17.12-beta.php [2] https://community.kde.org/Applications/17.12_Release_Notes -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team GPG key ID: A29D259B

On 20/11/17 05:51 PM, Luca Beltrame wrote:
Hello,
to expedite review for submission (Tumbleweed / Leap 15) and encourage testing, the recently released KDE Applications 17.12 Beta[1] will soon (within a few days) enter KDE:Applications.
This release drops all kdelibs4, Qt 4.x based software. The list of changed packages is available at [2]. We will deal with these packages (delete or keep) on a case by case basis.
A separate mail will be sent once the packages have been checked in.
[1] https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-17.12-beta.php [2] https://community.kde.org/Applications/17.12_Release_Notes
It's good to here that kdelibs4 will no longer be included in the installation of plasma 5. -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Dne pondělí 20. listopadu 2017 23:51:26 CET, Luca Beltrame napsal(a):
Hello, to expedite review for submission (Tumbleweed / Leap 15) and encourage testing, the recently released KDE Applications 17.12 Beta[1] will soon (within a few days) enter KDE:Applications. This release drops all kdelibs4, Qt 4.x based software. The list of changed packages is available at [2]. We will deal with these packages (delete or keep) on a case by case basis. A separate mail will be sent once the packages have been checked in. [1] https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-17.12-beta.php [2] https://community.kde.org/Applications/17.12_Release_Notes
Hello, I'm generally looking forward final drop of KDE4 and having everything only on KDE5, but there are some important KDE4 based applications I use. Do You or anyone have any idea about replacement or ongoing KF5 port of: * Amarok (is there any other official and maintained KDE music player? There seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323 and other repos) * KBibTex (some KF5 version is in home:wolfi323) * Kile (excellent TeX editor, there is KF5 beta in KDE:Unstable:Extra, upstream is working on KF5 version) * Kopete (especially when Telepathy based solution was recently dropped as unmaintained, there seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323) * Krename (some KF5 version is in home:wolfi323) * RKWard (IMHO the best R GUI, there is ongoing upstream work on KF5 port, some dev version is in home:wolfi323) Interestingly, 'zypper se -i -s --requires kdelibs4' shows some applications of version like 17.08.X requiring Qt4/KDE4 libs, like akonadi-ews, dolphin- plugins, kalzium, kfind, kmplot, konqueror, soundkonverter. Why is there such requirement and what is going to happen with such applications? Thank You for all Your work on KDE! V. -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/

On 21/11/17 08:44, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
I'm generally looking forward final drop of KDE4 and having everything only on KDE5, but there are some important KDE4 based applications I use. Do You or anyone have any idea about replacement or ongoing KF5 port of: * Amarok (is there any other official and maintained KDE music player? There seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323 and other repos) * KBibTex (some KF5 version is in home:wolfi323) * Kile (excellent TeX editor, there is KF5 beta in KDE:Unstable:Extra, upstream is working on KF5 version) * Kopete (especially when Telepathy based solution was recently dropped as unmaintained, there seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323) * Krename (some KF5 version is in home:wolfi323) * RKWard (IMHO the best R GUI, there is ongoing upstream work on KF5 port, some dev version is in home:wolfi323) Interestingly, 'zypper se -i -s --requires kdelibs4' shows some applications of version like 17.08.X requiring Qt4/KDE4 libs, like akonadi-ews, dolphin- plugins, kalzium, kfind, kmplot, konqueror, soundkonverter. Why is there such requirement and what is going to happen with such applications?
What are the possibilities for running these apps in the future in some sandboxed way, so as to get around the bitrot and dependencies issues? I don't know if that can be done with an AppImage. You just reminded me that Krename is another of the apps that provides a stumbling block for me for a full KF5 transition. The other two I rely on more heavily are Komparator and Audex. I've already enquired on the main opensuse list about Komparator alternatives and whilst one or two apps can mimic certain functions, there's just nothing that really reproduces all of its features, especially its KIO Slave integration. Sadly it looks like a long forgotten application. As for Audex the CD ripper, there is really just one small bit of functionality I asked the Audex developer to add years ago that I can't replicate in K3B or other apps: taking the first x character(s) from the artist string to use in the file name/path format, so as to automatically sort ripped discs into alphanumerical subfolders. I might see if I can get the K3B devs to add that as it does just about everything else. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 21/11/17 04:20 AM, gumb wrote:
On 21/11/17 08:44, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
I'm generally looking forward final drop of KDE4 and having everything only on KDE5, but there are some important KDE4 based applications I use. Do You or anyone have any idea about replacement or ongoing KF5 port of: * Amarok (is there any other official and maintained KDE music player? There seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323 and other repos) * KBibTex (some KF5 version is in home:wolfi323) * Kile (excellent TeX editor, there is KF5 beta in KDE:Unstable:Extra, upstream is working on KF5 version) * Kopete (especially when Telepathy based solution was recently dropped as unmaintained, there seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323) * Krename (some KF5 version is in home:wolfi323) * RKWard (IMHO the best R GUI, there is ongoing upstream work on KF5 port, some dev version is in home:wolfi323) Interestingly, 'zypper se -i -s --requires kdelibs4' shows some applications of version like 17.08.X requiring Qt4/KDE4 libs, like akonadi-ews, dolphin- plugins, kalzium, kfind, kmplot, konqueror, soundkonverter. Why is there such requirement and what is going to happen with such applications?
What are the possibilities for running these apps in the future in some sandboxed way, so as to get around the bitrot and dependencies issues? I don't know if that can be done with an AppImage.
You just reminded me that Krename is another of the apps that provides a stumbling block for me for a full KF5 transition. The other two I rely on more heavily are Komparator and Audex.
I've already enquired on the main opensuse list about Komparator alternatives and whilst one or two apps can mimic certain functions, there's just nothing that really reproduces all of its features, especially its KIO Slave integration. Sadly it looks like a long forgotten application.
As for Audex the CD ripper, there is really just one small bit of functionality I asked the Audex developer to add years ago that I can't replicate in K3B or other apps: taking the first x character(s) from the artist string to use in the file name/path format, so as to automatically sort ripped discs into alphanumerical subfolders. I might see if I can get the K3B devs to add that as it does just about everything else.
gumb You can try syncron as a replacement for kompare.
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On 22/11/17 00:43, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 21/11/17 04:20 AM, gumb wrote:
You just reminded me that Krename is another of the apps that provides a stumbling block for me for a full KF5 transition. The other two I rely on more heavily are Komparator and Audex.
I've already enquired on the main opensuse list about Komparator alternatives and whilst one or two apps can mimic certain functions, there's just nothing that really reproduces all of its features, especially its KIO Slave integration. Sadly it looks like a long forgotten application.
You can try syncron as a replacement for kompare.
Not sure if you're referring to Synkron: https://sourceforge.net/projects/synkron/?source=navbar Note that I'm talking about Komparator, not Kompare, quite a different application (though I suspect you know that and simply typed the wrong name, since the latter is better known). But a syncing tool isn't really my requirement in any case. Often I don't want to actually sync anything, certainly not automatically or by any predefined parameters, it's very much the comparison element that is useful to me, because each time I use the app I have different intentions. Komparator allows me to, for example, pull up my Symbian phone connected via USB Mass Storage in one pane, a directory on another machine via fish/ssh or samba in a second pane, then view a list of duplicate files, newer files, missing files, compare all files' MD5 checksums, and more. And then I can manually sync/copy/move any selection of those files in either direction between panes. A very unique and useful tool that's much overlooked (probably because everybody confuses it with Kompare ;-) ) My original thread about Komparator is archived here: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2017-09/msg00328.html Closest thing I could find was Meld, but it still lacks some features of Komparator. If I could run Komparator in a sandbox in future that would be fine, even if it were half a gigabyte in size, I don't care, although I don't know if a sandboxed app would allow fluid access to all the same KIO slaves. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Dne středa 22. listopadu 2017 20:49:26 CET, gumb napsal(a):
On 22/11/17 00:43, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 21/11/17 04:20 AM, gumb wrote:
I've already enquired on the main opensuse list about Komparator alternatives and whilst one or two apps can mimic certain functions, there's just nothing that really reproduces all of its features, especially its KIO Slave integration. Sadly it looks like a long forgotten application.
Note that I'm talking about Komparator, not Kompare, quite a different application (though I suspect you know that and simply typed the wrong name, since the latter is better known). But a syncing tool isn't really my requirement in any case. Often I don't want to actually sync anything, certainly not automatically or by any predefined parameters, it's very much the comparison element that is useful to me, because each time I use the app I have different intentions. Komparator allows me to, for example, pull up my Symbian phone connected via USB Mass Storage in one pane, a directory on another machine via fish/ssh or samba in a second pane, then view a list of duplicate files, newer files, missing files, compare all files' MD5 checksums, and more. And then I can manually sync/copy/move any selection of those files in either direction between panes. A very unique and useful tool that's much overlooked (probably because everybody confuses it with Kompare ;-) )
My original thread about Komparator is archived here: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2017-09/msg00328.html
Closest thing I could find was Meld, but it still lacks some features of Komparator. If I could run Komparator in a sandbox in future that would be fine, even if it were half a gigabyte in size, I don't care, although I don't know if a sandboxed app would allow fluid access to all the same KIO slaves.
I don't know Komparator, but did You try Krusader? It is already available for KF5. It has very nice feature of comparing directories, with a lot of options. Basically, it is two-panel file manager (like e.g. MC), it is very feature rich. -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/

On 23/11/17 09:19, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
I don't know Komparator, but did You try Krusader? It is already available for KF5. It has very nice feature of comparing directories, with a lot of options. Basically, it is two-panel file manager (like e.g. MC), it is very feature rich.
Well, I've installed Krusader for the first time. Often heard about it in the past but never really needed anything other than Dolphin for file management. One thing it may be useful for in future is running in root mode, if that functionality is removed from Dolphin in Leap 15, as appears to be likely to happen. However, from first glance, Krusader doesn't appear to offer any of the same behaviour or things I find useful in Komparator. I'll need to look at it a bit more closely when I have time since there are obviously lots of options, but it appears the 'Compare Folders' option is not recursive and so of no real use. I need something that can recursively examine hundreds of subfolders and present all the results in one list. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Dne pátek 24. listopadu 2017 14:40:15 CET, gumb napsal(a):
On 23/11/17 09:19, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
I don't know Komparator, but did You try Krusader? It is already available for KF5. It has very nice feature of comparing directories, with a lot of options. Basically, it is two-panel file manager (like e.g. MC), it is very feature rich.
Well, I've installed Krusader for the first time. Often heard about it in the past but never really needed anything other than Dolphin for file management. One thing it may be useful for in future is running in root mode, if that functionality is removed from Dolphin in Leap 15, as appears to be likely to happen.
However, from first glance, Krusader doesn't appear to offer any of the same behaviour or things I find useful in Komparator. I'll need to look at it a bit more closely when I have time since there are obviously lots of options, but it appears the 'Compare Folders' option is not recursive and so of no real use. I need something that can recursively examine hundreds of subfolders and present all the results in one list.
Look again. :-) Select in left and right pane folders to compare. Press Ctrl +Y. There plenty of options... -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/

On 24/11/17 14:47, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne pátek 24. listopadu 2017 14:40:15 CET, gumb napsal(a):
On 23/11/17 09:19, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
I don't know Komparator, but did You try Krusader? It is already available for KF5. It has very nice feature of comparing directories, with a lot of options. Basically, it is two-panel file manager (like e.g. MC), it is very feature rich.
Well, I've installed Krusader for the first time. Often heard about it in the past but never really needed anything other than Dolphin for file management. One thing it may be useful for in future is running in root mode, if that functionality is removed from Dolphin in Leap 15, as appears to be likely to happen.
However, from first glance, Krusader doesn't appear to offer any of the same behaviour or things I find useful in Komparator. I'll need to look at it a bit more closely when I have time since there are obviously lots of options, but it appears the 'Compare Folders' option is not recursive and so of no real use. I need something that can recursively examine hundreds of subfolders and present all the results in one list.
Look again. :-) Select in left and right pane folders to compare. Press Ctrl +Y. There plenty of options...
Ok I've had another look. Indeed, the 'Synchronise Folders' dialog does present a bunch of options (a few of which don't have help tips - I mean, what is 'Feed to Listbox', for example?). I've found the Profiles button down in the bottom left, which is useful and enables me to quickly bring up a pair of saved folders, as can be done in Komparator. The actual scanning of folders is veeeeeeerrrrrrrry slow in comparison. For my test, I'm using a network folder via fish/ssh as the destination on the left, and a cifs mount for a folder on a drive attached to the router as the source on the right. The mysterious thing is that the activity light on the cifs-mounted drive is not engaged during the scan process, as though it's reading the directory listing from a cache somewhere. I've never used Krusader before but maybe there's a shared KDE or system cache. However, for the ssh directory on the left, a subsequent scan needs to read it all over again, so no cache there. Weird. Must be a default samba caching thing. Then I run into an annoying behavioural quirk. Once I've got the list of differing files displayed, if I want to select any of them to apply an action via a right-click contextual menu, either left-clicking or indeed ctrl-clicking attempts to immediately open the file(s) in Kompare, and then if it's not a text-based file it fails with an error dialog that I have to cancel. So I have to go through this bug every time I want to actually apply an action. I could set no program for comparison in the preferences, but there's times I would like to use Kompare. Assuming Komparator will not be (easily) installable in Leap 15, at that time I'll fall back on Krusader, and come that time maybe I'll file some bugs or feature requests. Until then, Komparator is still the undisputed champ. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Dienstag, 21. November 2017, 08:44:16 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
I'm generally looking forward final drop of KDE4 and having everything only on KDE5, but there are some important KDE4 based applications I use.
First of all, I don't think we will (or should) drop kdelibs4 in the short term, even if it is no longer part of KDE Applications. So KDE4 applications provided by other repos should still be installable and run. And to respond to the original mail, we probably should wait a bit before we drop applications that are no longer included upstream, at least some of them may reappear in 18.04 I think... Ok, we probably should drop blogilo, the 17.08.3 version doesn't build, and it the KF5 port really work anyway (since ever KDEPIM has been ported in 15.08 two years ago). Now to your specific questions:
Do You or anyone have any idea about replacement or ongoing KF5 port of: * Amarok (is there any other official and maintained KDE music player? There seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323 and other repos)
There's still (or again) some work going on in the kf5 porting branch. But it will definitely still take a while... Real replacements are not available currently AFAICT. Of course dragonplayer can play back multimedia files, and there's also kaffeine (ported and based on VLC instead of xine since some time). Not really the same though. A new KDE based player would be elisa, but I never tried that one. Maybe the old juk then, which has been ported too, and will be part of 17.12.
* Kopete (especially when Telepathy based solution was recently dropped as unmaintained, there seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323)
Actually ported, the maintainer just didn't merge in time and asked for an exception: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2017-November/010708.html He didn't provide a good reason so far though, but maybe it will again be included in 18.04 then. The rest you mention more or less have been ported, but they are not part of "KDE Applications" (amarok neither, btw). They are 3rd party apps and have their own release cycle. So it's just up to their maintainers to do a KF5 based release.
Interestingly, 'zypper se -i -s --requires kdelibs4' shows some applications of version like 17.08.X requiring Qt4/KDE4 libs, like akonadi-ews, dolphin- plugins, kalzium, kfind, kmplot, konqueror, soundkonverter. Why is there such requirement and what is going to happen with such applications?
False positives I suppose (except soundconverter ;-) ). Unless you installed them from my repo (home:wolfi323:KDE:Frameworks5 that you mentioned), these are indeed the KDE4 versions then. And I'd like to stress here (again), that the packages from that repo probably won't work on a standard system (without installing *everything* from that repo). That repo is intended to have both KDE4 and KF5 versions co-installed, the KF5 versions are installed to /opt/kf5/ which is not part of the search paths in a standard installation... Btw, akonadi-ews is bogus, it was just a work/development branch and will be/is included in kdepim-runtime in 17.12. Maybe we should add an "Obsoletes" there, but it was never available in any standard repo anyway. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Thank You very much for very detailed answer! Dne čtvrtek 23. listopadu 2017 18:29:10 CET, Wolfgang Bauer napsal(a):
Am Dienstag, 21. November 2017, 08:44:16 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
I'm generally looking forward final drop of KDE4 and having everything only on KDE5, but there are some important KDE4 based applications I use.
First of all, I don't think we will (or should) drop kdelibs4 in the short term, even if it is no longer part of KDE Applications. So KDE4 applications provided by other repos should still be installable and run.
OK, it could be temporal solution.
And to respond to the original mail, we probably should wait a bit before we drop applications that are no longer included upstream, at least some of them may reappear in 18.04 I think...
Good, good.
Ok, we probably should drop blogilo, the 17.08.3 version doesn't build, and it the KF5 port really work anyway (since ever KDEPIM has been ported in 15.08 two years ago).
Now to your specific questions:
Do You or anyone have any idea about replacement or ongoing KF5 port of: * Amarok (is there any other official and maintained KDE music player? There seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323 and other repos)
There's still (or again) some work going on in the kf5 porting branch. But it will definitely still take a while...
Real replacements are not available currently AFAICT.
Exactly. It is very feature rich. VLC, SMPlayer and so also play music files, but don't have nice work with collections, to highlight just one example...
Of course dragonplayer can play back multimedia files, and there's also kaffeine (ported and based on VLC instead of xine since some time). Not really the same though.
A new KDE based player would be elisa, but I never tried that one.
I have never heard of it...
Maybe the old juk then, which has been ported too, and will be part of 17.12.
* Kopete (especially when Telepathy based solution was recently dropped as unmaintained, there seems to be some KF5 port in home:wolfi323)
Actually ported, the maintainer just didn't merge in time and asked for an exception: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2017-November/010708.html
He didn't provide a good reason so far though, but maybe it will again be included in 18.04 then.
OK, so old good Kopete should survive the transition period.
The rest you mention more or less have been ported, but they are not part of "KDE Applications" (amarok neither, btw). They are 3rd party apps and have their own release cycle. So it's just up to their maintainers to do a KF5 based release.
My concern was that if KDE4 libs are dropped, these fully functional and very good applications will just stop working... Did I understood it wrongly?
Interestingly, 'zypper se -i -s --requires kdelibs4' shows some applications of version like 17.08.X requiring Qt4/KDE4 libs, like akonadi-ews, dolphin- plugins, kalzium, kfind, kmplot, konqueror, soundkonverter. Why is there such requirement and what is going to happen with such applications? False positives I suppose (except soundconverter ;-) ).
Hm, isn't it bug then? ;-) SoundConverter is excellent application, BTW.
Unless you installed them from my repo (home:wolfi323:KDE:Frameworks5 that you mentioned), these are indeed the KDE4 versions then.
So far I have nothing from Your repo, I just found it when looking for KF5 versions of applications I desperately need.
And I'd like to stress here (again), that the packages from that repo probably won't work on a standard system (without installing *everything* from that repo). That repo is intended to have both KDE4 and KF5 versions co-installed, the KF5 versions are installed to /opt/kf5/ which is not part of the search paths in a standard installation...
Btw, akonadi-ews is bogus, it was just a work/development branch and will be/is included in kdepim-runtime in 17.12.
Dan Vrátil said it should be soon/already (I don't remember version he said part of Akonadi, so this might be just leftover...
Maybe we should add an "Obsoletes" there, but it was never available in any standard repo anyway.
Kind Regards, Wolfgang
Thank You. -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/

Am Donnerstag, 23. November 2017, 18:51:06 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
First of all, I don't think we will (or should) drop kdelibs4 in the short term, even if it is no longer part of KDE Applications. So KDE4 applications provided by other repos should still be installable and run.
OK, it could be temporal solution.
IMHO that's the way to go currently, and I am not aware of differing plans in that direction. Of course there will be a point in the future where we might have to drop it.
A new KDE based player would be elisa, but I never tried that one.
I have never heard of it...
And we haven't packaged it yet. It is available from some home repos though. AFAIK, it tries to "emulate" gnome-music, at least as far as it would take the collection from baloo (although it is intended to support tracker too apparently). Anyway, not my kind of tea I think, TBH... ;-) And there has not been a release yet either, AFAIK.
My concern was that if KDE4 libs are dropped, these fully functional and very good applications will just stop working... Did I understood it wrongly?
Yes, that's a (common) misconception, All "KDE4" applications have been dropped from the official "KDE Applications" release. That doesn't mean that suddenly all (still) kdelibs4 based 3rd applications will be dropped immediately too.
Hm, isn't it bug then? ;-)
No idea, without seeing your repo list.
Btw, akonadi-ews is bogus, it was just a work/development branch and will be/is included in kdepim-runtime in 17.12.
Dan Vrátil said it should be soon/already (I don't remember version he said part of Akonadi, so this might be just leftover...
Yes. As I wrote, it is in kdepim-runtime 17.12 (beta), so please just uninstall it if necessary. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Dne čtvrtek 23. listopadu 2017 20:52:16 CET, Wolfgang Bauer napsal(a):
Am Donnerstag, 23. November 2017, 18:51:06 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
My concern was that if KDE4 libs are dropped, these fully functional and very good applications will just stop working... Did I understood it wrongly?
Yes, that's a (common) misconception,
All "KDE4" applications have been dropped from the official "KDE Applications" release. That doesn't mean that suddenly all (still) kdelibs4 based 3rd applications will be dropped immediately too.
Hm, isn't it bug then? ;-)
No idea, without seeing your repo list.
LC_ALL=C zypper lr -up # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | URI ---+---------------------+----------------+---------+-----------+--------- +---------- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 | Geo | geo | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 110 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Application:/Geo/ openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ 2 | dev_lang_r_released | dev_lang_R_rel | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 110 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/R:/ released/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ 3 | home_pbek_QOwnNotes | QOwnNotes | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 150 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/pbek:/QOwnNotes/ openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ 4 | kde_extra | KDE_Extra | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 110 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/ openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ 5 | network | network | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 110 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network/ openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ 6 | packman | Packman | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 120 | http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ 7 | science | science | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 110 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/science/ openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ 8 | skype | skype | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 120 | https://repo.skype.com/rpm/stable/ 9 | tw-non-oss | tw-non-oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss/ 10 | tw-oss | tw-oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ 11 | tw-update | tw-update | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/
Btw, akonadi-ews is bogus, it was just a work/development branch and will be/is included in kdepim-runtime in 17.12.
Dan Vrátil said it should be soon/already (I don't remember version he said part of Akonadi, so this might be just leftover...
Yes. As I wrote, it is in kdepim-runtime 17.12 (beta), so please just uninstall it if necessary.
I use it, so I'll uninstall it when final 17.12 is out. -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/

In data venerdì 24 novembre 2017 09:12:07 CET, Vojtěch Zeisek ha scritto:
I use it, so I'll uninstall it when final 17.12 is out.
Just FYI, we didn't start the review of the Beta yet (we do that to catch issues in advance) becaus we're waiting on the "rich text option not honored" fix to be merged in TW. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team GPG key ID: A29D259B

Am Freitag, 24. November 2017, 09:12:07 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
LC_ALL=C zypper lr -up
Ok, AFAICS your repos should not contain KDE4 versions of these packages. And the packages in Tumbleweed definitely do not require kdelibs4, see e.g. https://build.opensuse.org/package/binary/openSUSE:Factory/kfind?arch=x86_64... But I think the "problem" is that your zypper search query probably also finds "kdelibs4support" and "libKF5KDELibs4Support5"... ;-) That's part of KDE Frameworks 5 (to help with porting kdelibs4 based applications), and will *not* be dropped (in the whole KF5 life cycle). Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

PS: KDE4 applications normally don't require kdelibs4 itself either, but things like libkdecore.so.5 and libQtCore.so.4... Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Montag, 20. November 2017, 23:51:26 schrieb Luca Beltrame:
Hello,
to expedite review for submission (Tumbleweed / Leap 15) and encourage testing, the recently released KDE Applications 17.12 Beta[1] will soon (within a few days) enter KDE:Applications.
This release drops all kdelibs4, Qt 4.x based software. The list of changed packages is available at [2]. We will deal with these packages (delete or keep) on a case by case basis.
And as apparently some people didn't read the links properly, I'd like to paste the proper parts here in plain text: Tarballs that we do not ship anymore * libkface (was unmaintained and didn't compile against newer opencv) * blogilo (too broken, needs someone to step up and fix it and then it can rejoin) * jovie (replaced by Qt Speech) * kaccessible (superseded by the bridge from the Qt accessibility API to At- Spi provided by Qt5) * ksaneplugin (not used even during kdelibs 4.x times) * kde-runtime (was kdelibs4-based split into various other repos for kf5-based counterparts) * kremotecontrol (was not ported to KF5) * kppp (was not ported to KF5) * kfilereplace (was not ported to KF5) * klinkstatus (was not ported to KF5) * kopete (was not ported to KF5) * kscd (was not ported to KF5) * kstars (moves to released independently) So, in the end it is about kremotecontrol, kppp, kfilereplace, klinkstatus, kopete, kscd, kfilereplace, klinkstatus, kscd being dropped. (and blogilo of course, which doesn't work anyway since about 2 years....) About kopete I answered already. kscd is ported too, same status I suppose. The rest really haven't been ported yet, but may be if somebody steps up to do it. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 23. November 2017, 22:39:58 schrieb Wolfgang Bauer:
So, in the end it is about kremotecontrol, kppp, kfilereplace, klinkstatus, kopete, kscd, kfilereplace, klinkstatus, kscd being dropped.
Sorry, a copy/paste error obviously... :-= The real list is shorter of course: kremotecontrol, kppp, kfilereplace, klinkstatus. (and maybe kscd and kopete) Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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