[opensuse-kde] Kmail filters, do they work?
In the early days of Kmail2 I migrated to Thunderbird, as I couldn't get the 'new' Kmail to work. Time passes, and so yesterday I thought I'd give Kmail another look. It had remembered my IMAP mail server settings, and imported the folder structure, so setting it up was no problem, and it downloaded all the mail. However, all the new mail was dumped in the Inbox, despite there being a comprehensive set of active filters. What's more, the filters refuse to work manually, neither with Control-J nor using the right button mouse menu. Is this a known bug in the current incarnation of Kmail? I've googled and searched the archives of this list, but failed to find an answer. My system is described in my sig, but in case that gets stripped, it's System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559" Thank you, Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559" Uptime: 18:00pm up 0:04, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.20, 0.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 17 Jun 2013 16:03:49 Bob Williams wrote:
In the early days of Kmail2 I migrated to Thunderbird, as I couldn't get the 'new' Kmail to work.
Time passes, and so yesterday I thought I'd give Kmail another look. It had remembered my IMAP mail server settings, and imported the folder structure, so setting it up was no problem, and it downloaded all the mail.
However, all the new mail was dumped in the Inbox, despite there being a comprehensive set of active filters.
What's more, the filters refuse to work manually, neither with Control-J nor using the right button mouse menu. Did you "Select All emails" (Ctrl-A) before Ctrl-J? Automatic filtering is still unreliable, it produces duplicate emails.
Is this a known bug in the current incarnation of Kmail? I've googled and searched the archives of this list, but failed to find an answer. This bug flip flops between working well enough (not perfect) to not working. I've reported the bug with the work around
My system is described in my sig, but in case that gets stripped, it's
System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559"
Thank you,
Bob Seems like bugs don't have the same priority as new features which i can understand from a developers point of view, its more fun creating new stuff than debugging and fixing. Us non-developers have to be patient. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/06/13 17:20, ianseeks wrote:
On Monday 17 Jun 2013 16:03:49 Bob Williams wrote: [...]
What's more, the filters refuse to work manually, neither with Control-J nor using the right button mouse menu. Did you "Select All emails" (Ctrl-A) before Ctrl-J? Automatic filtering is still unreliable, it produces duplicate emails.
Yes, I tried it with all messages selected, as well as only the ones that I knew would be affected by the filters. No joy either way. [...]
Seems like bugs don't have the same priority as new features which i can understand from a developers point of view, its more fun creating new stuff than debugging and fixing. Us non-developers have to be patient.
Oh well. I'll stay with TBird for the time being. Thanks for your interest. Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559" Uptime: 18:00pm up 0:04, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.20, 0.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
maanantai, 17. kesäkuuta 2013 16:03:49 Bob Williams kirjoitti:
In the early days of Kmail2 I migrated to Thunderbird, as I couldn't get the 'new' Kmail to work.
Time passes, and so yesterday I thought I'd give Kmail another look. It had remembered my IMAP mail server settings, and imported the folder structure, so setting it up was no problem, and it downloaded all the mail.
However, all the new mail was dumped in the Inbox, despite there being a comprehensive set of active filters.
What's more, the filters refuse to work manually, neither with Control-J nor using the right button mouse menu.
Is this a known bug in the current incarnation of Kmail? I've googled and searched the archives of this list, but failed to find an answer.
My system is described in my sig, but in case that gets stripped, it's
System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559"
Thank you,
Bob
My system is: openSUSE 12.3 KDE 4.10.4 release 569 KMail 4.10.4 Kernel 3.7.10-1.11-desktop I use pop3 accounts instead of IMAP, so I do not know if next is relevant. Filtering is improved in each of KDE 4.10.x monthly update. Now it works rather well, except small amount duplicates and relatively slow operation. I had problems with filtering when I used /home from older KDE version. Setting fresh home and filtering rules solved most of problems -- Viljo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/06/13 18:03, Viljo Mustonen wrote:
My system is: openSUSE 12.3 KDE 4.10.4 release 569 KMail 4.10.4 Kernel 3.7.10-1.11-desktop
I use pop3 accounts instead of IMAP, so I do not know if next is relevant.
Filtering is improved in each of KDE 4.10.x monthly update. Now it works rather well, except small amount duplicates and relatively slow operation.
I had problems with filtering when I used /home from older KDE version. Setting fresh home and filtering rules solved most of problems
Hi Viljo, I'm not keen on setting up a fresh /home, but I'll try recreating the rules again. Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559" Uptime: 18:00pm up 0:04, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.20, 0.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jun 17 08:03:55 PM Viljo Mustonen wrote:
maanantai, 17. kesäkuuta 2013 16:03:49 Bob Williams kirjoitti:
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My system is: openSUSE 12.3 KDE 4.10.4 release 569 KMail 4.10.4 Kernel 3.7.10-1.11-desktop
I use pop3 accounts instead of IMAP, so I do not know if next is relevant.
Filtering is improved in each of KDE 4.10.x monthly update. Now it works rather well, except small amount duplicates and relatively slow operation.
fwiw . . . I'm using pop3 with same versions of KDE/Kmail but on 12.2 w/older kernel. Filters work fine now (incl manually) and very fast, except for almost daily ~dozen duplicates 99.9% of which are from the same domain: opensuse.org. All the duplicates throw up a "Conflict" window asking should I keep the "Left" or "Right" or "Both". Consistently the Left has the exact same headers of the Right, and the Right alone contains the body. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am 17.06.2013 17:03, schrieb Bob Williams:
In the early days of Kmail2 I migrated to Thunderbird, as I couldn't get the 'new' Kmail to work.
Time passes, and so yesterday I thought I'd give Kmail another look. It had remembered my IMAP mail server settings, and imported the folder structure, so setting it up was no problem, and it downloaded all the mail.
However, all the new mail was dumped in the Inbox, despite there being a comprehensive set of active filters.
Bob, in my mind Kmail2 is broken, totally. It is not worth to give it a second chance. Like you I migrated to Thunderbird. I use IMAP as well and it works fine with Thunderbird. The only thing I miss with Thunderbird is the ability to invoke a command from a filter and to filter outgoing email. Besides that, Thunderbird just does it, it is a reliable workhorse. I do not recommend do depend on Kmail2 for serious work. Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
In data martedì 18 giugno 2013 04:51:02, Malte Gell ha scritto:
Bob, in my mind Kmail2 is broken, totally. It is not worth to give it a second chance. Like you I migrated to Thunderbird. I use IMAP as well
I do not want to start a flame, but I'd avoid absolute statements like this one. For some, KMail works very reliably (and yes, I use it in production), in particular the 4.11 (now beta) version. Best results are with IMAP (yes, unfortunately POP3 lags a bit behind with that). Regardless of that, I would suggest to file bugs for issues, given that the new maintainer (Laurent Montel) has been very active in fixing them. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79
Am 18.06.2013 07:31, schrieb Luca Beltrame:
In data martedì 18 giugno 2013 04:51:02, Malte Gell ha scritto:
Bob, in my mind Kmail2 is broken, totally. It is not worth to give it a second chance. Like you I migrated to Thunderbird. I use IMAP as well
I do not want to start a flame, but I'd avoid absolute statements like this one. For some, KMail works very reliably (and yes, I use it in production), in particular the 4.11 (now beta) version. Best results are with IMAP (yes, unfortunately POP3 lags a bit behind with that).
Regardless of that, I would suggest to file bugs for issues, given that the new maintainer (Laurent Montel) has been very active in fixing them.
Mabye some things have been fixed, the last time I tried Kmail2 it was not usable to me. Do you use filters with imap? Obviously people still have problems with using filters with Kmail2 and filtering is essential for me. This makes Kmail2 a nogo for me. Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
In data martedì 18 giugno 2013 08:43:14, Malte Gell ha scritto:
Mabye some things have been fixed, the last time I tried Kmail2 it was not usable to me. Do you use filters with imap? Obviously people still
I use Sieve server-side filtering. In 4.11 Kmail got a nice editor, so I'm using that to adjust filters serverside. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79
Am 18.06.2013 09:13, schrieb Luca Beltrame:
In data martedì 18 giugno 2013 08:43:14, Malte Gell ha scritto:
Mabye some things have been fixed, the last time I tried Kmail2 it was not usable to me. Do you use filters with imap? Obviously people still
I use Sieve server-side filtering. In 4.11 Kmail got a nice editor, so I'm using that to adjust filters serverside.
If you filter server side you are fine, of course. Those who rely on local filtering, well, bad luck for them....
On 18/06/13 06:31, Luca Beltrame wrote:
In data martedì 18 giugno 2013 04:51:02, Malte Gell ha scritto:
Bob, in my mind Kmail2 is broken, totally. It is not worth to give it a second chance. Like you I migrated to Thunderbird. I use IMAP as well
I do not want to start a flame, but I'd avoid absolute statements like this one. For some, KMail works very reliably (and yes, I use it in production), in particular the 4.11 (now beta) version. Best results are with IMAP (yes, unfortunately POP3 lags a bit behind with that).
The strange thing is, it does seem to work for some people, although I get the impression more use POP3 than IMAP. My recent experiment shows that synchronisation with the IMAP server is not a problem, but local filtering definitely doesn't work here. I shall experiment with deleting all my existing filters, and then redefine them, as suggested by Viljo, but I suspect I'm going to stick with Thunderbird for now. I don't have server side filtering available here.
Regardless of that, I would suggest to file bugs for issues, given that the new maintainer (Laurent Montel) has been very active in fixing them.
I'll take a look at Bugzilla and see if there's a current bug I can contribute to. Or start a new one. Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559" Uptime: 18:00pm up 0:04, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.20, 0.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/17/2013 10:51 PM, Malte Gell wrote:
Am 17.06.2013 17:03, schrieb Bob Williams:
The only thing I miss with Thunderbird is the ability to invoke a command from a filter and to filter outgoing email.
Hi Bob, I use `FiltaQuilla' to invoke a command from a filter. It extends the Filter options and provides `Run File' (among other additions). Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph: 819.459.1926 Blog: http://pablo-blog.blueoakdb.com Fax: 760.860.5225 (US) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Pablo, On 18/06/13 11:24, Pablo Sanchez wrote:
On 06/17/2013 10:51 PM, Malte Gell wrote:
Am 17.06.2013 17:03, schrieb Bob Williams:
The only thing I miss with Thunderbird is the ability to invoke a command from a filter and to filter outgoing email.
I didn't write the above.
Hi Bob,
I use `FiltaQuilla' to invoke a command from a filter. It extends the Filter options and provides `Run File' (among other additions).
Cheers,
I'd be happy just getting the built-in filter mechanism working, before I look to adding more functionality. Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559" Uptime: 18:00pm up 0:04, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.20, 0.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/06/13 11:08, Bob Williams wrote:
I shall experiment with deleting all my existing filters, and then redefine them, as suggested by Viljo, but I suspect I'm going to stick with Thunderbird for now.
Well, rebuilding all the filters made no difference. :( Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559" Uptime: 18:00pm up 0:04, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.20, 0.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Op dinsdag 18 juni 2013 12:22:46 schreef Bob Williams:
On 18/06/13 11:08, Bob Williams wrote:
I shall experiment with deleting all my existing filters, and then redefine them, as suggested by Viljo, but I suspect I'm going to stick with Thunderbird for now.
Well, rebuilding all the filters made no difference. :(
Bob
This discussion motivated me to give kmail another try. I removed everything I could find that was somehow related to akonadi stuff (a new /home is too much for me) and configured kmail and kaddressbook anew. Filters and integration between addressbook and mail are now working, before I was not able to get them working. I am usinig pop3. It seems succes is not garanteed, but I am happy with my kmail at the moment. Thanks for the discussion. Cor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/06/13 13:22, Cor Blom wrote:
Op dinsdag 18 juni 2013 12:22:46 schreef Bob Williams:
On 18/06/13 11:08, Bob Williams wrote:
I shall experiment with deleting all my existing filters, and then redefine them, as suggested by Viljo, but I suspect I'm going to stick with Thunderbird for now.
Well, rebuilding all the filters made no difference. :(
Bob
This discussion motivated me to give kmail another try. I removed everything I could find that was somehow related to akonadi stuff (a new /home is too much for me) and configured kmail and kaddressbook anew. Filters and integration between addressbook and mail are now working, before I was not able to get them working. I am usinig pop3.
It seems succes is not garanteed, but I am happy with my kmail at the moment. Thanks for the discussion.
Hi Cor, It's possible/probable that my latest attempt pulled in some old settings. Can you remember which akonadi-related stuff you cleared out? Or would you recommend removing *everything* with 'akonadi' in the path? Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559" Uptime: 18:00pm up 0:04, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.20, 0.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
In data martedì 18 giugno 2013 14:05:09, Bob Williams ha scritto:
settings. Can you remember which akonadi-related stuff you cleared out? Or would you recommend removing *everything* with 'akonadi' in the path?
Wiping the Akonadi configuration like this is not supported by the developers. If you need to clear the message cache (although I'm not sure it will help) there is a safer alternative (not sure if it works with 4.10, though). -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79
On Tuesday 18 June 2013 04:51:02 Malte Gell wrote:
Am 17.06.2013 17:03, schrieb Bob Williams:
In the early days of Kmail2 I migrated to Thunderbird, as I couldn't get the 'new' Kmail to work.
Time passes, and so yesterday I thought I'd give Kmail another look. It had remembered my IMAP mail server settings, and imported the folder structure, so setting it up was no problem, and it downloaded all the mail.
However, all the new mail was dumped in the Inbox, despite there being a comprehensive set of active filters.
Bob, in my mind Kmail2 is broken, totally. It is not worth to give it a second chance. Like you I migrated to Thunderbird. I use IMAP as well and it works fine with Thunderbird. The only thing I miss with Thunderbird is the ability to invoke a command from a filter and to filter outgoing email. Besides that, Thunderbird just does it, it is a reliable workhorse. I do not recommend do depend on Kmail2 for serious work.
Malte
As you're probably aware, there are about 1.000.000 different ways of using KDE PIM. It is extremely hard to support all these use cases - and you can not expect the developers (who, after all, only represent, use and develop a sub set of these features) to extensively test and work on each and every thing. Some scenario's are simply more stable than others. See this mail from Georg about the current state: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-pim&m=136791444006823&w=2 In short, he states that the 'corporate' use case of IMAP + serverside filtering is completely stable and well supported. Anything else depends on volunteer help with testing, identifying issues and fixing them. Of course, a way of solving the problem would be to ONLY release Kmail with code for the use cases which are entirely stable and tested. Remove all other features... But how would people react to that? It might be better to just try to get those features stable, and that is of course being worked on. But it is a lot of work, don't under estimate it. So many factors interplay with so many others... PIM is hard. /J
Op dinsdag 18 juni 2013 14:05:09 schreef Bob Williams:
On 18/06/13 13:22, Cor Blom wrote:
Op dinsdag 18 juni 2013 12:22:46 schreef Bob Williams:
On 18/06/13 11:08, Bob Williams wrote:
I shall experiment with deleting all my existing filters, and then redefine them, as suggested by Viljo, but I suspect I'm going to stick with Thunderbird for now.
Well, rebuilding all the filters made no difference. :(
Bob
This discussion motivated me to give kmail another try. I removed everything I could find that was somehow related to akonadi stuff (a new /home is too much for me) and configured kmail and kaddressbook anew. Filters and integration between addressbook and mail are now working, before I was not able to get them working. I am usinig pop3.
It seems succes is not garanteed, but I am happy with my kmail at the moment. Thanks for the discussion.
Hi Cor,
It's possible/probable that my latest attempt pulled in some old settings. Can you remember which akonadi-related stuff you cleared out? Or would you recommend removing *everything* with 'akonadi' in the path?
Hi Bob, I "recommend" nothing. It is just something I tried. And I could as was not using it (so whether devs support it or not, I didn't care). I wiped out under .kde4 everything akonadi, mail settings, addressbook stuff, and under .local/share also mail, contacts, etc. Maybe I did something under .config. I did have of course a second copy of all those data in thunderbird and backups. Maybe there is a nicer way to wipe everything out, but I do not know what. Cor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Filtering works not only unreliable, filtering some hundreds or thousands emails a time just wrecks them. See appended hardcopy. These bugs are all longtime known at kde.org and persistent since kmail2. Never understood why kmail was replaced by kmail2 while not being functional. Finally annoyed I switched to evolution. Give it a try ! Works fine in KDE, so thanks to the SuSE guys ! Greets, Peter Am Montag, den 17.06.2013, 17:20 +0100 schrieb ianseeks:
On Monday 17 Jun 2013 16:03:49 Bob Williams wrote:
In the early days of Kmail2 I migrated to Thunderbird, as I couldn't get the 'new' Kmail to work.
Time passes, and so yesterday I thought I'd give Kmail another look. It had remembered my IMAP mail server settings, and imported the folder structure, so setting it up was no problem, and it downloaded all the mail.
However, all the new mail was dumped in the Inbox, despite there being a comprehensive set of active filters.
What's more, the filters refuse to work manually, neither with Control-J nor using the right button mouse menu. Did you "Select All emails" (Ctrl-A) before Ctrl-J? Automatic filtering is still unreliable, it produces duplicate emails.
Is this a known bug in the current incarnation of Kmail? I've googled and searched the archives of this list, but failed to find an answer. This bug flip flops between working well enough (not perfect) to not working. I've reported the bug with the work around
My system is described in my sig, but in case that gets stripped, it's
System: Linux 3.7.10-1.4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 559"
Thank you,
Bob Seems like bugs don't have the same priority as new features which i can understand from a developers point of view, its more fun creating new stuff than debugging and fixing. Us non-developers have to be patient.
KMail from 4.10 works very well for me - about 30 filters (client side) 40 folders (over 10 with a local imap server, over 10 on gmail/imap, and about 20 local folders) with about 80,000 messages. I filter between imap and local folders and all works well. On Tuesday 18 June 2013 and Malte Gell wrote:
Am 18.06.2013 09:13, schrieb Luca Beltrame:
In data martedì 18 giugno 2013 08:43:14, Malte Gell ha scritto:
Mabye some things have been fixed, the last time I tried Kmail2 it was not usable to me. Do you use filters with imap? Obviously people still
I use Sieve server-side filtering. In 4.11 Kmail got a nice editor, so I'm using that to adjust filters serverside.
If you filter server side you are fine, of course. Those who rely on local filtering, well, bad luck for them.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Bob Williams wrote:
What's more, the filters refuse to work manually, neither with Control-J nor using the right button mouse menu.
I'm curious what is going on, this is supposed to work (and works for me both for POP3 and IMAP). See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255388 has some info what to attach there. No promise on when I can look at it though. Andras -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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