[opensuse-kde3] 4/24 Update Broke All kicker Apps - but which update did it?
Guys, Updates have been rock-solid for 11.4 kde3. Yesterday, I updated and kmenu is gone, kpager is gone, all systray apps are gone and the tasklist is gone. Screenshots: [144k showing full screen & empty kicker -- quicklaunch is only working app]: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/kicker-apps-gone-%3eno-Kmen... [73k the error dialog] http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/kicker-apps-gone-%3eno-Kmen... Here is the .xsession-errors file: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/xsession-errors-no-kmenu.tx... Here is the list of packages that were updated on 4/24: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/upgraded-apps-causing-kmenu... I have no idea which update did it. I suspect a kdebase3 file. The only other strange conflict that was resolved was SoQt (which has something to do with coin and OpenGL). I don't know if that is related, but there was a conflict that yast resolved. Let me know what other files I can post that would help. Right now, other than having no kmenu and kicker being blank (except for quicklaunch) things seem to be working normally. What say the experts? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 25 April 2011 19:19:21 David C. Rankin wrote:
I have no idea which update did it. I suspect a kdebase3 file. The only other strange conflict that was resolved was SoQt (which has something to do with coin and OpenGL). I don't know if that is related, but there was a conflict that yast resolved.
How did you resolve the conflict? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 04/25/2011 11:11 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Monday 25 April 2011 19:19:21 David C. Rankin wrote:
I have no idea which update did it. I suspect a kdebase3 file. The only other strange conflict that was resolved was SoQt (which has something to do with coin and OpenGL). I don't know if that is related, but there was a conflict that yast resolved.
How did you resolve the conflict?
Err.. I knew you would ask... I can't recall what I chose in yast, but I did dump the y2log SoQt information for you. I have it here [44k]: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/y2log-SoQt.txt I fixed my kde3 install by downgrading all rpm that were upgraded on 4/24. I moved all the updates from 4/9 & 4/16 to /home/david/suse/goodK3/{noarch,x86_64}, then removed all the duplicates, launched fluxbox as the desktop and used: [11:11 alchemy:/home/david/suse/goodK3] # rpm -Uvh --oldpackage {noarch,x86_64}/* warning: package quanta = 3.5.10-83.7 was already added, replacing with quanta > 3.5.10-83.8 Preparing... ########################################### [100%] file /opt/kde3/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-power.directory from install of kdebase3-3.5.10.1-134.1.x86_64 conflicts with file from package systemsettings-kde3-0.2-5.2.x86_64 I did have to '--force' resolution of the above conflict and did the complete downgrade with: [11:11 alchemy:/home/david/suse/goodK3] # rpm -Uvh --oldpackage --force {noarch,x86_64}/* I downgraded ~ 138 packages and then launched kde3 again -- all is fine. I know the downgrade didn't solve which package caused the problem, but I had stuff I needed to get done today. Let me know what you want me to try to help isolate the problem and I'm happy to give it a go. I can always drop back to a working config with the packages I have in /home/david/suse/goodK3/{noarch,x86_64}. What do you think we should try next? What additional info do you want me to send? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 25 April 2011 20:35:35 David C. Rankin wrote:
I have no idea which update did it. I suspect a kdebase3 file. The only other strange conflict that was resolved was SoQt (which has something to do with coin and OpenGL). I don't know if that is related, but there was a conflict that yast resolved.
How did you resolve the conflict?
Err.. I knew you would ask... I can't recall what I chose in yast, but I did dump the y2log SoQt information for you. I have it here [44k]:
http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/y2log-SoQt.txt
I fixed my kde3 install by downgrading all rpm that were upgraded on 4/24. I moved all the updates from 4/9 & 4/16 to /home/david/suse/goodK3/{noarch,x86_64}, then removed all the duplicates, launched fluxbox as the desktop and used:
[11:11 alchemy:/home/david/suse/goodK3] # rpm -Uvh --oldpackage {noarch,x86_64}/* warning: package quanta = 3.5.10-83.7 was already added, replacing with quanta > 3.5.10-83.8 Preparing... ########################################### [100%] file /opt/kde3/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-power.directory from install of kdebase3-3.5.10.1-134.1.x86_64 conflicts with file from package systemsettings-kde3-0.2-5.2.x86_64
You won't need systemsettings-kde3 any more as kcontrol now works well with the fixed suse-desktop-data package. Anyway I have just excluded the file kde-settings-power.directory from systemsettings-kde3. I recommend you to remove systemsettings-kde3 package and reinstall kdebase3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 04/25/2011 12:47 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
{noarch,x86_64}/* warning: package quanta = 3.5.10-83.7 was already added, replacing with quanta> 3.5.10-83.8 Preparing... ########################################### [100%] file /opt/kde3/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-power.directory from install of kdebase3-3.5.10.1-134.1.x86_64 conflicts with file from package systemsettings-kde3-0.2-5.2.x86_64 You won't need systemsettings-kde3 any more as kcontrol now works well with
[11:11 alchemy:/home/david/suse/goodK3] # rpm -Uvh --oldpackage the fixed suse-desktop-data package. Anyway I have just excluded the file kde-settings-power.directory from systemsettings-kde3.
I recommend you to remove systemsettings-kde3 package and reinstall kdebase3.
Done: [14:10 alchemy:/home/david/suse/goodK3/x86_64] # rpm -e systemsettings-kde3 [14:11 alchemy:/home/david/suse/goodK3/x86_64] # rpm -U --replacepkgs kdebase3-3.5.10.1-134.1.x86_64.rpm Starting SuSEconfig, the SuSE Configuration Tool... Running module permissions only Reading /etc/sysconfig and updating the system... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.permissions... Finished. Do you think I could try a: yast->software mgmt->packages->all packages->update if newer version available and get around the problem I ran into originally with the kicker apps since I uninstalled systemsettings-kde3? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 25 April 2011 23:15:34 David C. Rankin wrote:
and get around the problem I ran into originally with the kicker apps since I uninstalled systemsettings-kde3?
I do not know the origin of your problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 04/25/2011 03:39 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Monday 25 April 2011 23:15:34 David C. Rankin wrote:
and get around the problem I ran into originally with the kicker apps since I uninstalled systemsettings-kde3?
I do not know the origin of your problem.
Well, Since I have seen no other posts on it, I'll give the update another try and report back... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 04/25/2011 03:39 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Monday 25 April 2011 23:15:34 David C. Rankin wrote:
and get around the problem I ran into originally with the kicker apps since I uninstalled systemsettings-kde3?
I do not know the origin of your problem.
Ilya, Here is the conflict with SoQt and kdebase3-SuSE by I'm getting: #### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2011-04-25 17:39:27 #### libSoQt20-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 obsoletes SoQt < 1.5.0 provided by SoQt-1.4.1-2.6.x86_64 [ ] Following actions will be done: do not install libSoQt20-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 do not install SoQt-devel-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 [ ] do not install SoQt-1.4.1-2.6.x86_64 I chose: [x] Following actions will be done: do not install libSoQt20-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 do not install SoQt-devel-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-8.1.x86_64 requires desktop-data-openSUSE-fixed, but this requirement cannot be provided uninstallable providers: desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.3.1.noarch[K3] [ ] downgrade of desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.16.1.noarch to desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.3.1.noarch [ ] do not install kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-8.1.x86_64 [ ] break kdebase3-SuSE by ignoring some of its dependencies I chose: [x] do not install kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-8.1.x86_64 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 02:55:10 David C. Rankin wrote:
Here is the conflict with SoQt and kdebase3-SuSE by I'm getting:
There is no conflict with SoQt
#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2011-04-25 17:39:27 ####
libSoQt20-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 obsoletes SoQt < 1.5.0 provided by SoQt-1.4.1-2.6.x86_64
[ ] Following actions will be done: do not install libSoQt20-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 do not install SoQt-devel-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 [ ] do not install SoQt-1.4.1-2.6.x86_64
I chose:
[x] Following actions will be done: do not install libSoQt20-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 do not install SoQt-devel-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64
This is unrelated to your problem.
kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-8.1.x86_64 requires desktop-data-openSUSE-fixed, but this requirement cannot be provided uninstallable providers: desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.3.1.noarch[K3] [ ] downgrade of desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.16.1.noarch to desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.3.1.noarch
You should choose this one. I included the fixed package desktop-data-openSUSE into KDE:KDE3 because it can take long for the patch to be accepted in 11.4 If you are confused with the word "downgrade" you can see that the versions of the packages are the same.
[ ] do not install kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-8.1.x86_64
[ ] break kdebase3-SuSE by ignoring some of its dependencies
I chose:
[x] do not install kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-8.1.x86_64
Your mistake. This package is essential for normal openSUSE desktop experience and includes menu data, file associations and other things. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 04/25/2011 06:06 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
this requirement cannot be provided uninstallable providers: desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.3.1.noarch[K3] [ ] downgrade of desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.16.1.noarch to desktop-data-openSUSE-11.4-13.3.1.noarch You should choose this one. I included the fixed package desktop-data-openSUSE into KDE:KDE3 because it can take long for the patch to be accepted in 11.4 If you are confused with the word "downgrade" you can see
kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-8.1.x86_64 requires desktop-data-openSUSE-fixed, but that the versions of the packages are the same.
I did - I thought about it and changed it after I sent the post. I updated 143 packages and all is fine. Thanks :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 04/25/2011 06:06 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
I chose:
[x] Following actions will be done: do not install libSoQt20-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64 do not install SoQt-devel-1.5.0-1.pm.5.1.x86_64
This is unrelated to your problem.
Regardless whether this is related, it is good to be aware that doing an 'update' with the packman repository enabled will try and use the SoQt packages from packman instead of those in KDE:/KDE3. On the last update, I disabled the packman repo just to eliminate the conflict while I worked the kdebase3 issue. All is working well now with the latest updates applied. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
Just to let everyone know that, as I previously advised, I did a new install of 11.4_x86/K3 for my production machine about 10 days ago. My normal method of install, but I did not select the systemsettings workaround module for the old Personal Settings (blank left side) when choosing from the KDE3 repo. Reason: Ilya had already fixed it in the KDE:/KDE3 repo. Everything worked, KDE3-wise, as well as I could determine. I have not tested out K3B yet, though. This past Sunday night I did a "Package > All Packages > Update if newer version available" update. I noted that it wanted to downgrade one package, which I accepted. All went well, and all seems to be working well. They only material issue I have seen, pre and post update, is Firefox4 was a bit flaky, rendering-wise. So I downgraded to 3.6.16 and it's better. This was before the FF4 Final patch came out. I'm still with 3.6.16. Also, in both FF3 and FF$, downloading embedded .pdf's links into the browser window is hit and miss; I have to hit refresh a few times for it to "take". Using Acroreader only (with its plugins, I guess). I have an Asrock A785GM-LE/128M board, Phenom II X2-550, 4 gigs DDR2, ATI4770 Samsung 213T. Just to let you know. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 05:26:13 David C. Rankin wrote:
On the last update, I disabled the packman repo just to eliminate the conflict while I worked the kdebase3 issue.
There is no conflict. I just suggests alternatives. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 04/25/2011 10:14 PM, Erik Sorenson wrote:
They only material issue I have seen, pre and post update, is Firefox4 was a bit flaky, rendering-wise. So I downgraded to 3.6.16 and it's better. This was before the FF4 Final patch came out. I'm still with 3.6.16.
I've run both FF4 and 3.6.16. FF4 renders fine on my laptop -- although I cannot see any benefit in the upgrade. (I don't open 50 tabs at once)
Also, in both FF3 and FF$, downloading embedded .pdf's links into the browser window is hit and miss; I have to hit refresh a few times for it to "take". Using Acroreader only (with its plugins, I guess).
I have just used the native KPDF. Rather than viewing .pdfs in the browser, I just save to tmp and use kpdf. No issues there :p Glad to know kde3 is working well for you. It has been rock solid after the kcontrol fix. Only remaining issues I have is sftp://host:port/path/file not working in konqueror. I have been using fish instead. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
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