Guys, Updates have been rock-solid for 11.4 kde3. Yesterday, I updated and kmenu is gone, kpager is gone, all systray apps are gone and the tasklist is gone. Screenshots: [144k showing full screen & empty kicker -- quicklaunch is only working app]: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/kicker-apps-gone-%3eno-Kmen... [73k the error dialog] http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/kicker-apps-gone-%3eno-Kmen... Here is the .xsession-errors file: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/xsession-errors-no-kmenu.tx... Here is the list of packages that were updated on 4/24: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/suse/bugs/114/kde3/upgraded-apps-causing-kmenu... I have no idea which update did it. I suspect a kdebase3 file. The only other strange conflict that was resolved was SoQt (which has something to do with coin and OpenGL). I don't know if that is related, but there was a conflict that yast resolved. Let me know what other files I can post that would help. Right now, other than having no kmenu and kicker being blank (except for quicklaunch) things seem to be working normally. What say the experts? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org