-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, there is a particular spam entering the Spanish mail list. The From changes, but the subject and text is always the same. Is there a way that I, can filter it out in the HyperKitty interface? https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/users-es@lists.opensuse.org/thread/... https://lists.opensuse.org/manage/lists/users-es.lists.opensuse.org/ openSUSE Users (Español) users-es@lists.opensuse.org Info Subscription requests0 Held messages 0 Users Templates Settings Mass operations Ban List Header filters Delete Summary Maybe a header filter? Are there examples I can read? - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE Leap 15.4 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHYEARECADYWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCZBLwxBgcY2FybG9zLmUu ckBvcGVuc3VzZS5vcmcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WihgCfY/PLYksJjzQAbWNMWl7yn3MO nNgAnRV+OFDUZmMREuhQld7TgAQVX1JN =zVSS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Hi,
there is a particular spam entering the Spanish mail list. The From changes, but the subject and text is always the same.
Interesting case. I see ten such mails since Nov 2020.
Is there a way that I, can filter it out in the HyperKitty interface? Maybe a header filter? Are there examples I can read?
A header filter sounds like a possibility, maybe on the Subject? I don't know of any examples, but google might. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-16 17:12, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
there is a particular spam entering the Spanish mail list. The From changes, but the subject and text is always the same.
Interesting case. I see ten such mails since Nov 2020.
I set the sender to always reject, but apparently they resubscribe with another name fast and easy.
Is there a way that I, can filter it out in the HyperKitty interface? Maybe a header filter? Are there examples I can read?
A header filter sounds like a possibility, maybe on the Subject? I don't know of any examples, but google might.
No... I tried Google on: "HyperKitty" filtering on subject line https://docs.mailman3.org/_/downloads/hyperkitty/en/latest/pdf/ Says absolutely nothing on the interface. I went ahead and did: Header Email header to filter on (case-insensitive). Subject Pattern Regular expression matching the header's value. *QuickBooks* Action Action to take when a header matches Hold for moderation Maybe "default antispam action"? And I'll cross my fingers. Nay, it is not accepted. It says: An error occurred: Invalid Parameter "pattern": Expected a valid regexp, got *QuickBooks*. So, what is a valid regexp? Trying: .*QuickBooks.* yeah, that one is accepted. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-16 17:12, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
there is a particular spam entering the Spanish mail list. The From changes, but the subject and text is always the same.
Interesting case. I see ten such mails since Nov 2020.
I set the sender to always reject, but apparently they resubscribe with another name fast and easy.
For ten mails in a little over two years, I would probably have been too lazy :-)
Is there a way that I, can filter it out in the HyperKitty interface? Maybe a header filter? Are there examples I can read?
A header filter sounds like a possibility, maybe on the Subject? I don't know of any examples, but google might.
No... I tried Google on: "HyperKitty" filtering on subject line
Well, the web UI is fairly intuitive and has decent descriptions of the three fields.
I went ahead and did:
Header = Subject Pattern = *QuickBooks*
Slightly odd regex - I would just have used 'quickbook'.
Action = Hold for moderation
Yep, that is a good one for testing. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-17 11:26, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-16 17:12, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
there is a particular spam entering the Spanish mail list. The From changes, but the subject and text is always the same.
Interesting case. I see ten such mails since Nov 2020.
I set the sender to always reject, but apparently they resubscribe with another name fast and easy.
For ten mails in a little over two years, I would probably have been too lazy :-)
It is a itch of the kind that moves me to scratch it ;-) Dunno, there are more in recent months.
Is there a way that I, can filter it out in the HyperKitty interface? Maybe a header filter? Are there examples I can read?
A header filter sounds like a possibility, maybe on the Subject? I don't know of any examples, but google might.
No... I tried Google on: "HyperKitty" filtering on subject line
Well, the web UI is fairly intuitive and has decent descriptions of the three fields.
Ho, ho. When you hover the mouse, there is no description. There is no "help" button. I tried the "delete" button the other day to see what it was. Delete an email from the archive, I was seeking for. ALAS! It wanted to delete the mail list itself!
I went ahead and did:
Header = Subject Pattern = *QuickBooks*
Slightly odd regex - I would just have used 'quickbook'.
I don't know regex.
Action = Hold for moderation
Yep, that is a good one for testing.
Was rejected, I had to write '.*QuickBooks.*' And it is probably case sensitive :-( -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, the web UI is fairly intuitive and has decent descriptions of the three fields.
Ho, ho.
Well, it is and it does.
When you hover the mouse, there is no description. There is no "help" button. I tried the "delete" button the other day to see what it was. Delete an email from the archive, I was seeking for. ALAS! It wanted to delete the mail list itself!
I was only talking about the page for the header filters, but when you consider the intended audience, overall the admin-side web UI is pretty good. There is certainly room for someone to improve on it, we have one or two open tickets too.
Action = Hold for moderation
Yep, that is a good one for testing.
Was rejected, I had to write '.*QuickBooks.*'
Yes, your first attempt was not a valid regex. In the above, adding the two '.*' gives you nothing, but they don't hurt either.
And it is probably case sensitive :-(
Almost certainly, that is the standard for regexes. IIRC, you can use (?i), but when you're not into regexes, I would suggest [Qq]uick[Bb]ooks uick.ooks -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-17 17:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, the web UI is fairly intuitive and has decent descriptions of the three fields.
Ho, ho.
Well, it is and it does.
When you hover the mouse, there is no description. There is no "help" button. I tried the "delete" button the other day to see what it was. Delete an email from the archive, I was seeking for. ALAS! It wanted to delete the mail list itself!
I was only talking about the page for the header filters, but when you consider the intended audience, overall the admin-side web UI is pretty good.
The audience is a total rookie in mail list administration, who has to go by touch, and might do something wrong. :-p
There is certainly room for someone to improve on it, we have one or two open tickets too.
It is not stock from upstream?
Action = Hold for moderation
Yep, that is a good one for testing.
Was rejected, I had to write '.*QuickBooks.*'
Yes, your first attempt was not a valid regex. In the above, adding the two '.*' gives you nothing, but they don't hurt either.
And it is probably case sensitive :-(
Almost certainly, that is the standard for regexes. IIRC, you can use (?i), but when you're not into regexes, I would suggest
[Qq]uick[Bb]ooks uick.ooks
I will try the first line. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-17 17:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, the web UI is fairly intuitive and has decent descriptions of the three fields.
Ho, ho.
Well, it is and it does.
When you hover the mouse, there is no description. There is no "help" button. I tried the "delete" button the other day to see what it was. Delete an email from the archive, I was seeking for. ALAS! It wanted to delete the mail list itself!
I was only talking about the page for the header filters, but when you consider the intended audience, overall the admin-side web UI is pretty good.
The audience is a total rookie in mail list administration, who has to go by touch, and might do something wrong. :-p
That goes for everyone at some point.
There is certainly room for someone to improve on it, we have one or two open tickets too.
It is not stock from upstream?
Yes it is, but someone might decide to fix something locally and then submit a PR to the upstream project. I think I opened a ticket on the timestamp format in the archive using a 12hour clock, for instance. It might be a simple config option, I don't know. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-19 10:37, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-17 17:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, the web UI is fairly intuitive and has decent descriptions of the three fields.
Ho, ho.
Well, it is and it does.
When you hover the mouse, there is no description. There is no "help" button. I tried the "delete" button the other day to see what it was. Delete an email from the archive, I was seeking for. ALAS! It wanted to delete the mail list itself!
I was only talking about the page for the header filters, but when you consider the intended audience, overall the admin-side web UI is pretty good.
The audience is a total rookie in mail list administration, who has to go by touch, and might do something wrong. :-p
That goes for everyone at some point.
Well, IMO it should have some documentation or help.
There is certainly room for someone to improve on it, we have one or two open tickets too.
It is not stock from upstream?
Yes it is, but someone might decide to fix something locally and then submit a PR to the upstream project. I think I opened a ticket on the timestamp format in the archive using a 12hour clock, for instance. It might be a simple config option, I don't know. Let me guess: no documentation on how to do that :-D
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-19 10:37, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-17 17:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, the web UI is fairly intuitive and has decent descriptions of the three fields.
Ho, ho.
Well, it is and it does.
When you hover the mouse, there is no description. There is no "help" button. I tried the "delete" button the other day to see what it was. Delete an email from the archive, I was seeking for. ALAS! It wanted to delete the mail list itself!
I was only talking about the page for the header filters, but when you consider the intended audience, overall the admin-side web UI is pretty good.
The audience is a total rookie in mail list administration, who has to go by touch, and might do something wrong. :-p
That goes for everyone at some point.
Well, IMO it should have some documentation or help.
A while ago I seem to remember you saying it had to "be intuitive, documentation not needed" :-) I don't remember what the topic was.
There is certainly room for someone to improve on it, we have one or two open tickets too.
It is not stock from upstream?
Yes it is, but someone might decide to fix something locally and then submit a PR to the upstream project. I think I opened a ticket on the timestamp format in the archive using a 12hour clock, for instance. It might be a simple config option, I don't know.
Let me guess: no documentation on how to do that :-D
Well, my guess is it is a locale setup topic, so there is plenty of documentation on that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-19 11:41, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-19 10:37, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-17 17:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Well, the web UI is fairly intuitive and has decent descriptions > of the three fields.
Ho, ho.
Well, it is and it does.
When you hover the mouse, there is no description. There is no "help" button. I tried the "delete" button the other day to see what it was. Delete an email from the archive, I was seeking for. ALAS! It wanted to delete the mail list itself!
I was only talking about the page for the header filters, but when you consider the intended audience, overall the admin-side web UI is pretty good.
The audience is a total rookie in mail list administration, who has to go by touch, and might do something wrong. :-p
That goes for everyone at some point.
Well, IMO it should have some documentation or help.
A while ago I seem to remember you saying it had to "be intuitive, documentation not needed" :-) I don't remember what the topic was.
True, I said that :-) But few applications are designed that way in the Linux world. They have to have a help button, for instance; or when hovering the mouse over an option or button a text help would automatically appear; or pressing "F1" help would appear (two kinds: general, or contextual). Which is not the case with Postorious.
There is certainly room for someone to improve on it, we have one or two open tickets too.
It is not stock from upstream?
Yes it is, but someone might decide to fix something locally and then submit a PR to the upstream project. I think I opened a ticket on the timestamp format in the archive using a 12hour clock, for instance. It might be a simple config option, I don't know.
Let me guess: no documentation on how to do that :-D
Well, my guess is it is a locale setup topic, so there is plenty of documentation on that.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
But few applications are designed that way in the Linux world. They have to have a help button, for instance; or when hovering the mouse over an option or button a text help would automatically appear; or pressing "F1" help would appear (two kinds: general, or contextual).
Which is not the case with Postorious.
The web environment does pose certain difficulties and/or limitations, but yes I agree, the web interface for both Postorius and Hyperkitty could do with some TLC. It's yet another case of "scratch that itch". There are probably not a lot of people who are interested in scratching that particular one. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-20 20:34, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
But few applications are designed that way in the Linux world. They have to have a help button, for instance; or when hovering the mouse over an option or button a text help would automatically appear; or pressing "F1" help would appear (two kinds: general, or contextual).
Which is not the case with Postorious.
The web environment does pose certain difficulties and/or limitations, but yes I agree, the web interface for both Postorius and Hyperkitty could do with some TLC. It's yet another case of "scratch that itch". There are probably not a lot of people who are interested in scratching that particular one.
I can't, I know next to nothing about Postorius or Hyperkitty. And then, I would also need to be an expert in how to implement those changes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-20 20:34, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
But few applications are designed that way in the Linux world. They have to have a help button, for instance; or when hovering the mouse over an option or button a text help would automatically appear; or pressing "F1" help would appear (two kinds: general, or contextual).
Which is not the case with Postorious.
The web environment does pose certain difficulties and/or limitations, but yes I agree, the web interface for both Postorius and Hyperkitty could do with some TLC. It's yet another case of "scratch that itch". There are probably not a lot of people who are interested in scratching that particular one.
I can't, I know next to nothing about Postorius or Hyperkitty. And then, I would also need to be an expert in how to implement those changes.
Oh, I wasn't suggesting _you_ should do anything, I was just describing the general situation. It is much the same when people write/update man pages and wiki pages for projects they have never otherwise contributed to. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-21 08:20, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-20 20:34, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
But few applications are designed that way in the Linux world. They have to have a help button, for instance; or when hovering the mouse over an option or button a text help would automatically appear; or pressing "F1" help would appear (two kinds: general, or contextual).
Which is not the case with Postorious.
The web environment does pose certain difficulties and/or limitations, but yes I agree, the web interface for both Postorius and Hyperkitty could do with some TLC. It's yet another case of "scratch that itch". There are probably not a lot of people who are interested in scratching that particular one.
I can't, I know next to nothing about Postorius or Hyperkitty. And then, I would also need to be an expert in how to implement those changes.
Oh, I wasn't suggesting _you_ should do anything, I was just describing the general situation. It is much the same when people write/update man pages and wiki pages for projects they have never otherwise contributed to.
Is there a wiki page on the use of Postorious-Hyperkitty? Because I searched. :-? I found https://docs.mailman3.org/_/downloads/hyperkitty/en/latest/pdf/ which is about development and installation. I also found https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hyperkitty, which has installation, configuration, hosting... Nothing on usage. There is https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/, but seems to be the same as the PDF linked first. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-21 08:20, Per Jessen wrote:
Oh, I wasn't suggesting _you_ should do anything, I was just describing the general situation. It is much the same when people write/update man pages and wiki pages for projects they have never otherwise contributed to.
Is there a wiki page on the use of Postorious-Hyperkitty? Because I searched. :-?
I found this one: https://wiki.list.org/Mailman3 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.4°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-21 11:53, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-21 08:20, Per Jessen wrote:
Oh, I wasn't suggesting _you_ should do anything, I was just describing the general situation. It is much the same when people write/update man pages and wiki pages for projects they have never otherwise contributed to.
Is there a wiki page on the use of Postorious-Hyperkitty? Because I searched. :-?
I found this one: https://wiki.list.org/Mailman3
Ah, yes. Well, if I click on "Postorius - A new Django-based web user interface for end users and list administrators.", I get a single page about project description, requirements, installation, acknowledgement. Not usage information... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-21 11:53, Per Jessen wrote:
I found this one: https://wiki.list.org/Mailman3
Ah, yes.
Well, if I click on "Postorius - A new Django-based web user interface for end users and list administrators.", I get a single page about project description, requirements, installation, acknowledgement.
Not usage information...
Okay. So no one has felt inspired to write any. Like I wrote earlier:
It's yet another case of "scratch that itch". There are probably not a lot of people who are interested in scratching that particular one.
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-17 13:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-17 11:26, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-16 17:12, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
there is a particular spam entering the Spanish mail list. The From changes, but the subject and text is always the same.
Interesting case. I see ten such mails since Nov 2020.
I set the sender to always reject, but apparently they resubscribe with another name fast and easy.
For ten mails in a little over two years, I would probably have been too lazy :-)
It is a itch of the kind that moves me to scratch it ;-)
Dunno, there are more in recent months.
Another hit today, which went to moderation, and duly I discarded. I assume "discard" is silent, and "reject" produces a message. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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