[heroes] Re: unsubscribe opensuse-updates

Felix Miata

19 Nov 2020 19 Nov '20

21:06

The attachment should have generated a response over two hours ago, right? I don't see anything. Is something about subscription management known broken? A recent/subsequent attempt to do same generated a waiting on moderator message. Then I switched the "To" from ...@opensuse.org to ...@lists.opensuse.org and tried again. That was over half an hour ago, and still no response.

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Malcolm

19 Nov 19 Nov

21:45

Hi Login to lists.opensuse.org and use the 'Manage lists' to unsubscribe.... https://lists.opensuse.org/manage/lists/ On Thu 19 Nov 2020 04:06:50 PM CST, Felix Miata wrote:

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The attachment should have generated a response over two hours ago, right? I don't see anything. Is something about subscription management known broken?

A recent/subsequent attempt to do same generated a waiting on moderator message. Then I switched the "To" from ...@opensuse.org to ...@lists.opensuse.org and tried again. That was over half an hour ago, and still no response.

-- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) Tumbleweed 20201117 | GNOME Shell 3.36.7 | 5.10.0-rc4-1.gea0f69f-default Intel DQ77MK MB | Xeon E3-1245 V2 X8 @ 3.40 GHz | Intel/Nvidia up 15:55, 2 users, load average: 1.98, 3.29, 2.64

Carlos E. R.

23:25

On 19/11/2020 22.06, Felix Miata wrote:

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The attachment should have generated a response over two hours ago, right? I don't see anything. Is something about subscription management known broken?

A recent/subsequent attempt to do same generated a waiting on moderator message. Then I switched the "To" from ...@opensuse.org to ...@lists.opensuse.org and tried again. That was over half an hour ago, and still no response.

The address is incorrect. You did: From: (you) To: opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@opensuse.org Subject: unsubscribe It should be: From: (you) To: updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org Subject: unsubscribe (irrelevant) Or you could go to: CB> On the lists.o.o login page, the best option is to click the "openSUSE" CB> button (in the top row). It will take you to the openID login where you CB> can login with your openSUSE account. Then on: https://lists.opensuse.org/manage/lists/updates.lists.opensuse.org/ unsubscribe. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Felix Miata

20 Nov 20 Nov

08:47

Carlos E. R. composed on 2020-11-20 00:25 (UTC+0100):

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Felix Miata wrote: It should be:

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From: (you) To: updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

More unwarranted change for the sake of change. What other *subscription* services use leave and join instead of subscribe and unsubscribe?

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Subject: unsubscribe (irrelevant) Certainly is. Maybe not to the list software or admins, but definitely there are to be no messages without subjects to be kept in any of my mail folders.

BTW, "To: updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org" also failed to have an intended effect. Instead, 30 minutes later I got this: This is the mail system at host hydra.opensuse.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system : host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command) -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

Carlos E. R.

09:54

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 03:47 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2020-11-20 00:25 (UTC+0100):

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Felix Miata wrote: It should be:

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From: (you) To: updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

More unwarranted change for the sake of change. What other *subscription* services use leave and join instead of subscribe and unsubscribe?

It is not unwarranted change. You know that the list server software changed from mlmmj to mailman3, it *had* to change, and each one is free to have its own way of doing things. So the team is not free to choose commands, they are a given. If you look at this very list headers, you see some commands: List-Id: Discussion list of the openSUSE infrastructure admins Archived-At: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/message/D... List-Archive: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/ List-Help: mailto:heroes-request@lists.opensuse.org?subject=help List-Post: mailto:heroes@lists.opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:heroes-join@lists.opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:heroes-leave@lists.opensuse.org If you run the list help command, you get a different subset (notice that in this case the To address changes, and the command goes in the subject AND the body: confirm - Confirm a subscription request. echo - Echo back your arguments. end - Stop processing commands. help - Get help about available email commands. join - Join this mailing list. leave - Leave this mailing list. stop - An alias for 'end'. subscribe - An alias for 'join'. unsubscribe - An alias for 'leave'.

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Subject: unsubscribe (irrelevant) Certainly is. Maybe not to the list software or admins, but definitely there are to be no messages without subjects to be kept in any of my mail folders.

And why would you want to keep that on your folders? :-D

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BTW, "To: updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org" also failed to have an intended effect. Instead, 30 minutes later I got this:

This is the mail system at host hydra.opensuse.org.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message.

The mail system

: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

Well, you should open a ticket about that. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHYEARECADYWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX7eSXxgcY2FybG9zLmUu ckBvcGVuc3VzZS5vcmcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Vp8QCfYmldK7+GExtuGKOe0hxJ6aji RHsAnjx/qWEpZto8cyvMeqKBxLkO7xYw =4GqC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Felix Miata

17:58

Carlos E. R. composed on 2020-11-201 0:54 (UTC+0100):

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On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 03:47 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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It should be:

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From: (you) To: updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org ...

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If you run the list help command, you get a different subset (notice that in this case the To address changes, and the command goes in the subject AND the body: ... leave - Leave this mailing list. ... unsubscribe - An alias for 'leave'.

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Subject: unsubscribe (irrelevant)

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Certainly is. Maybe not to the list software or admins, but definitely there are to be no messages without subjects to be kept in any of my mail folders.

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And why would you want to keep that on your folders? :-D

1-tells me I'm on a list 2-tells me I'm no longer on a list 3-tells me how I got on previously 4-tells me how I got off previously So many ways to fail. :( Yet another failure since last thread post: To: updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org Subject: unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list Body: leave # (no .sig) Sent: 20+ minutes ago Response: [quote] Your mail to 'updates@lists.opensuse.org' with the subject unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. [/quote] -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

Per Jessen

18:07

Felix Miata wrote:

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So many ways to fail. :( Yet another failure since last thread post:

To: updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

The correct address is updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org Use cut&paste. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

Felix Miata

18:53

Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 19:07 (UTC+0100):

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Felix Miata wrote:

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So many ways to fail. :( Yet another failure since last thread post:

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To: updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

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The correct address is

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

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Use cut&paste.

My normal procedure for well over a decade to unsubscribe with all subscribed lists from whatever host that doesn't require the web to start or stop a subscription is to find and start with the related subscribe message(s). In this case, the first was on 8 November 2020 (successful) addressed to: opensuse-updates+subscribe@opensuse.org So what I did to unsub initially was select "edit as new" that message and add two characters in each field in the appropriate location: "un" (6 keystrokes in total). I have no recollection nor record of that particular sub being changed from the old software to the new. Obviously this particular process was a victim of the software change timing, and nearly everything about the list changing, including obfuscating (in part through required script support that made me cease to use Fedora's lists' archive) the archived post groups that are the primary reason to have an archive. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

Carlos E. R.

19:01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 13:53 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 19:07 (UTC+0100):

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Felix Miata wrote:

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So many ways to fail. :( Yet another failure since last thread post:

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To: updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

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The correct address is

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

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Use cut&paste.

My normal procedure for well over a decade to unsubscribe with all subscribed lists from whatever host that doesn't require the web to start or stop a subscription is to find and start with the related subscribe message(s). In this case, the first was on 8 November 2020 (successful) addressed to:

opensuse-updates+subscribe@opensuse.org

So what I did to unsub initially was select "edit as new" that message and add two characters in each field in the appropriate location: "un" (6 keystrokes in total).

Why don't you look at the mail headers to see the current unsubsribe procedure? When I open an email from the list in Alpine, I see at the bottom this: [ Note: This message contains email list management information ] If I click on that line, I get a menu: +++······················ List participation commands in this message include: * A method to get information about the list and instructions on how to join. Select HERE to seek help. * A method to remove yourself from the list (Unsubscribe). Select HERE to UNsubscribe. * A method to add yourself to the list (Subscribe). Select HERE to Subscribe. * A method to send a message to the entire list (Post). Select HERE to post a message. * A method to view archive of messages sent to the list. Select HERE to view the archive. ······················++- I just have to tap on the option I want to execute, and my very old mail program does the job. It creates an email command with the correct TO and Subject lines, automatically. Other mail programs could do the same automatism for free.

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I have no recollection nor record of that particular sub being changed from the old software to the new.

It was obviously going to change... Maybe it could have been mentioned.

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Obviously this particular process was a victim of the software change timing, and nearly everything about the list changing, including obfuscating (in part through required script support that made me cease to use Fedora's lists' archive) the archived post groups that are the primary reason to have an archive.

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHYEARECADYWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX7gSkRgcY2FybG9zLmUu ckBvcGVuc3VzZS5vcmcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XhnQCfSVlUT61xk1J3cAwBNu9A1txc 3aYAmwdBqTtKyeJSrtvcMw9G0XsdtVbg =NH0j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Carlos E. R.

18:53

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 12:58 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 03:47 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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It should be:

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From: (you) To: updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org ...

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Subject: unsubscribe (irrelevant)

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Certainly is. Maybe not to the list software or admins, but definitely there are to be no messages without subjects to be kept in any of my mail folders.

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And why would you want to keep that on your folders? :-D

1-tells me I'm on a list 2-tells me I'm no longer on a list 3-tells me how I got on previously 4-tells me how I got off previously

You are preaching to the choir here :-D

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So many ways to fail. :( Yet another failure since last thread post:

To: updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org Subject: unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list Body: leave # (no .sig) Sent: 20+ minutes ago

Response:

[quote] Your mail to 'updates@lists.opensuse.org' with the subject

It is not '+' but '-' :-) It is a robot, it doesn't understand what you mean, but what you actually say.

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unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list

If that arrives to mailman it will insult you :-P

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Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The message is being held because:

Message has implicit destination

the '+' - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHYEARECADYWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX7gQjRgcY2FybG9zLmUu ckBvcGVuc3VzZS5vcmcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W/ZQCePDuADWbKGWsShRrEY5zuItWa miMAn0XC7ff8QW1HV9anqZSXyw3Wqqdu =Lcxm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Per Jessen

10:13

Felix Miata wrote:

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: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

Felix, "opensuse-updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org" is a mishmash - you need to write to updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org Or log in to the nice web interface to manage your subscriptions. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

Felix Miata

18:29

Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

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you need to write to

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

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Or log in to the nice web interface to manage your subscriptions.

Nice and web together constitutes an oxymoron. Nice applies only to the information the web provides access to. The process of accessing is anything but nice. e.g. for the instant case, an email from this list contains no direct reference to the web interface. Once found, one is confronted with yet another web login, even though currently logged in on both bugzilla.opensuse.org and forums.opensuse.org. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

Stasiek Michalski

18:38

Am Fr, 20. Nov, 2020 um 1:29 P. M. schrieb Felix Miata :

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Or log in to the nice web interface to manage your subscriptions.

Nice and web together constitutes an oxymoron. Nice applies only to the information the web provides access to. The process of accessing is anything but nice. e.g. for the instant case, an email from this list contains no direct reference to the web interface. Once found, one is confronted with yet another web login, even though currently logged in on both bugzilla.opensuse.org and forums.opensuse.org.

Since bugzilla uses LDAP login and not the login proxy, you don't get logged into bugzilla by being logged into forums anymore either ;) I kinda wish we used id.opensuse.org properly so all of the services would automatically login, but we use login proxy, ldap and sso independently instead, so the experience varies a lot. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world

Carlos E. R.

19:05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 13:29 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

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you need to write to

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

And I told you that you needed to open a ticket on that issue. It is a problem on the servers, not your problem.

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Or log in to the nice web interface to manage your subscriptions.

Nice and web together constitutes an oxymoron. Nice applies only to the information the web provides access to. The process of accessing is anything but nice. e.g. for the instant case, an email from this list contains no direct reference to the web interface.

Yes it does: Archived-At: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/message/U... List-Archive: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/

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Once found, one is confronted with yet another web login, even though currently logged in on both bugzilla.opensuse.org and forums.opensuse.org.

Can't be helped. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHYEARECADYWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX7gTlRgcY2FybG9zLmUu ckBvcGVuc3VzZS5vcmcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VgYQCfdlHdQ98dd+wcs0uPbxjds3k2 tO0AoJDVX3xMMcPV9q9jF4/yX8/J2F+H =GD26 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Per Jessen

19:51

Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

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you need to write to

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

It looks me as if you wrote to updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org instead of updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

Carlos E. R.

20:30

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 20:51 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

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you need to write to

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

It looks me as if you wrote to

updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

instead of

updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o).

He wrote to both. First to the '-', got this: : host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command) Then instead of opening the ticket he tried th '+'. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX7gnURwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfV/BYAoIZ+uF1ZQ2LqSh1iBX8x UUlXUT9zAJ466MjnUQELk0IZ3pSNRabjtNbTRw== =wAsd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Carlos E. R.

20:33

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 20:51 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

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you need to write to

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

It looks me as if you wrote to

updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

instead of

updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o).

He wrote to both. First to the '-', got this: : host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command) Then instead of opening the ticket he tried the '+'. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHYEARECADYWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX7gn/RgcY2FybG9zLmUu ckBvcGVuc3VzZS5vcmcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WMEACfZcxAooHJmp6/v5OdtyXlZK+Y /LoAnR7rWPML7Fe4AFC+WVMuv0rX721E =75Mf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Per Jessen

21 Nov 21 Nov

11:11

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 20:51 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

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you need to write to

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

It looks me as if you wrote to

updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

instead of

updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o).

He wrote to both. First to the '-', got this:

: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

Then instead of opening the ticket he tried the '+'.

There is nothing to open a ticket on. Felix wrote exactly _one_ email to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org", at 2033 CET last night. The rest of his attempts went to the wrong addresses. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

Carlos E. R.

11:42

On 21/11/2020 12.11, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 20:51 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

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you need to write to

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

It looks me as if you wrote to

updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

instead of

updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o).

He wrote to both. First to the '-', got this:

: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

Then instead of opening the ticket he tried the '+'.

There is nothing to open a ticket on.

Felix wrote exactly _one_ email to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org", at 2033 CET last night. The rest of his attempts went to the wrong addresses.

No. He also wrote to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org" and got: : host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command) It is a wrong address, but the error message is not "wrong address". This is described on https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/message/D... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

15:54

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 21/11/2020 12.11, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 20:51 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

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you need to write to

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

It looks me as if you wrote to

updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

instead of

updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o).

He wrote to both. First to the '-', got this:

: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

Then instead of opening the ticket he tried the '+'.

There is nothing to open a ticket on.

Felix wrote exactly _one_ email to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org", at 2033 CET last night. The rest of his attempts went to the wrong addresses.

No. He also wrote to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org" and got:

Umm, isn't that what I said above?

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: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

I can assure you he did not receive that in reply to any email sent to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org".

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It is a wrong address, but the error message is not "wrong address".

This is described on

https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/message/D... I'm looking at the mail logs. Felix wrote exactly _one_ email to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org", at 2033 CET last night. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.8°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

Carlos E. R.

18:26

On 21/11/2020 16.54, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 21/11/2020 12.11, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Friday, 2020-11-20 at 20:51 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 11:13 (UTC+0100):

> you need to write to

> updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

That's what I used that generated the most recent notification of failure to unsubscribe: "Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval" @17:33 UTC

It looks me as if you wrote to

updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

instead of

updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o).

He wrote to both. First to the '-', got this:

: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

Then instead of opening the ticket he tried the '+'.

There is nothing to open a ticket on.

Felix wrote exactly _one_ email to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org", at 2033 CET last night. The rest of his attempts went to the wrong addresses.

No. He also wrote to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org" and got:

Umm, isn't that what I said above?

The thing to notice is the reply he got - see below:

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: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

I can assure you he did not receive that in reply to any email sent to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org".

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It is a wrong address, but the error message is not "wrong address".

This is described on

https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/message/D...

I'm looking at the mail logs. Felix wrote exactly _one_ email to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org", at 2033 CET last night.

Then what address did he use that he got that reply? Could it be "opensuse-updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org"? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

18:32

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

I can assure you he did not receive that in reply to any email sent to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org".

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It is a wrong address, but the error message is not "wrong address".

This is described on

https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/message/D...

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I'm looking at the mail logs. Felix wrote exactly _one_ email to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org", at 2033 CET last night.

Then what address did he use that he got that reply? Could it be "opensuse-updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org"?

Yes, of course it is. Check the reply you qouted yourself. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

Carlos E. R.

18:35

On 21/11/2020 19.32, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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: host mx2.opensuse.org[195.135.221.158] said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)

I can assure you he did not receive that in reply to any email sent to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org".

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It is a wrong address, but the error message is not "wrong address".

This is described on

https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/message/D...

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I'm looking at the mail logs. Felix wrote exactly _one_ email to "updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org", at 2033 CET last night.

Then what address did he use that he got that reply? Could it be "opensuse-updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org"?

Yes, of course it is. Check the reply you qouted yourself.

Ok, then. That was the ticket, for the loop. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Felix Miata

20 Nov 20 Nov

23:16

Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 20:51 (UTC+0100):

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It looks me as if you wrote to

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updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

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instead of

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

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If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o).

For now it's over. Recap: UTCtime Body Addressee Response Subject 19-17:54 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@opensuse.org <blackholed> unsubscribe 19-20:27 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@opensuse.org <blackholed> unsubscribe 19-20:33 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe 19-22:37 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval 20-07:49 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org RTS unsubscribe 20-08:16 unsubscribe updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe 20-13:43 undeliverable SRS0=WrmR=E2=earthlink.net=mrmazda@opensuse.org none Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender 20-16:09 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval 20-17:33 leave updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list 20-17:33 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval 20-18:33 leave updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org yes unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list 20-18:39 <voluminous> mrmazda@earthlink.net yes confirm bfea...f7f0 20-18:55 <voluminous> updates-confirm+bfea...f7f0@lists.opensuse.org yes Re: confirm bfea...f7f0 21-02:00 blank mrmazda@earthlink.net N/A You have been unsubscribed from the openSUSE Updates mailing list -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

Carlos E. R.

21 Nov 21 Nov

00:26

On 21/11/2020 00.16, Felix Miata wrote:

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Per Jessen composed on 2020-11-20 20:51 (UTC+0100):

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It looks me as if you wrote to

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updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org

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instead of

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updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org

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If you actually wrote to the latter address, like Carlos suggests, please open an issue (write to admin@o.o).

For now it's over. Recap:

UTCtime Body Addressee Response Subject 19-17:54 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@opensuse.org <blackholed> unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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19-20:27 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@opensuse.org <blackholed> unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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19-20:33 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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19-22:37 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval

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20-07:49 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org RTS unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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20-08:16 unsubscribe updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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20-13:43 undeliverable SRS0=WrmR=E2=earthlink.net=mrmazda@opensuse.org none Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

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20-16:09 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval

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20-17:33 leave updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list

Wrong addressee

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20-17:33 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval

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20-18:33 leave updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org yes unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list

Correct one.

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20-18:39 <voluminous> mrmazda@earthlink.net yes confirm bfea...f7f0

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20-18:55 <voluminous> updates-confirm+bfea...f7f0@lists.opensuse.org yes Re: confirm bfea...f7f0

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21-02:00 blank mrmazda@earthlink.net N/A You have been unsubscribed from the openSUSE Updates mailing list

? Why did you insist on writing to the wrong addresses, instead of the single one I told you, which was the correct one? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Neal Gompa

00:29

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:26 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 21/11/2020 00.16, Felix Miata wrote:

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UTCtime Body Addressee Response Subject 19-17:54 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@opensuse.org <blackholed> unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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19-20:27 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@opensuse.org <blackholed> unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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19-20:33 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+unsubscribe@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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19-22:37 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval

?

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20-07:49 unsubscribe opensuse-updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org RTS unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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20-08:16 unsubscribe updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe

Wrong addressee

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20-13:43 undeliverable SRS0=WrmR=E2=earthlink.net=mrmazda@opensuse.org none Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

?

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20-16:09 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval

?

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20-17:33 leave updates+leave@lists.opensuse.org awaits mod unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list

Wrong addressee

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20-17:33 <awaits mod> mrmazda@earthlink.net none Your message to updates@lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval

?

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20-18:33 leave updates-leave@lists.opensuse.org yes unsubscribe leave remove get me off this list

Correct one.

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20-18:39 <voluminous> mrmazda@earthlink.net yes confirm bfea...f7f0

?

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20-18:55 <voluminous> updates-confirm+bfea...f7f0@lists.opensuse.org yes Re: confirm bfea...f7f0

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21-02:00 blank mrmazda@earthlink.net N/A You have been unsubscribed from the openSUSE Updates mailing list

?

Why did you insist on writing to the wrong addresses, instead of the single one I told you, which was the correct one?

It's pretty clear at this point that Felix is doing this to aggravate and complain. The changes had been outlined in the migration page, and had been discussed prior to that. He also knew he could just use the Postorius interface to manage all of his subscriptions and refused to use that either. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

Felix Miata

02:12

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Why did you insist on writing to the wrong addresses, instead of the single one I told you, which was the correct one? The first three all left here before I saw your first reply. That leaves three screw-ups subsequently. I'm sure you don't really want the details why I screwed up. But, you did ask. Contributors number several. It's been almost five decades since I was a teenager. My eyes aren't what they used to be probably tops the

Carlos E. R. composed on 2020-11-21 01:26 (UTC+0100): list, with resistance to change both conscious and unconscious both playing parts. Since moving in with my mom I've not yet had a chance to get my special PC eyeglasses Rx updated. Before the move I lived alone for more than three decades. Since, I get a lot of distractions, opposite the situation before the move, which I doubt I'll ever get used to. Writing an email sometimes suffers several, sometimes spanning a period of several hours. Keeping a mailing list thread straight in my mind usually suffers those consequences, unless she's gone to bed, in which case that's where I should be too, except that that's the only time I get any peace, or unconditional control over what does or does not come out of the TV speakers. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

Carlos E. R.

12:34

On 21/11/2020 03.12, Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2020-11-21 01:26 (UTC+0100):

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Why did you insist on writing to the wrong addresses, instead of the single one I told you, which was the correct one? The first three all left here before I saw your first reply. That leaves three screw-ups subsequently. I'm sure you don't really want the details why I screwed up. But, you did ask. Contributors number several. It's been almost five decades since I was a teenager. My eyes aren't what they used to be probably tops the list, with resistance to change both conscious and unconscious both playing parts. Since moving in with my mom I've not yet had a chance to get my special PC eyeglasses Rx updated. Before the move I lived alone for more than three decades. Since, I get a lot of distractions, opposite the situation before the move, which I doubt I'll ever get used to. Writing an email sometimes suffers several, sometimes spanning a period of several hours. Keeping a mailing list thread straight in my mind usually suffers those consequences, unless she's gone to bed, in which case that's where I should be too, except that that's the only time I get any peace, or unconditional control over what does or does not come out of the TV speakers.

Fair enough. Next time, please be more patient ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R.

13:38

On 21/11/2020 03.12, Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2020-11-21 01:26 (UTC+0100):

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Why did you insist on writing to the wrong addresses, instead of the single one I told you, which was the correct one? The first three all left here before I saw your first reply. That leaves three screw-ups subsequently. I'm sure you don't really want the details why I screwed up. But, you did ask. Contributors number several. It's been almost five decades since I was a teenager. My eyes aren't what they used to be probably tops the list, with resistance to change both conscious and unconscious both playing parts. Since moving in with my mom I've not yet had a chance to get my special PC eyeglasses Rx updated. Before the move I lived alone for more than three decades. Since, I get a lot of distractions, opposite the situation before the move, which I doubt I'll ever get used to. Writing an email sometimes suffers several, sometimes spanning a period of several hours. Keeping a mailing list thread straight in my mind usually suffers those consequences, unless she's gone to bed, in which case that's where I should be too, except that that's the only time I get any peace, or unconditional control over what does or does not come out of the TV speakers.

Fair enough. Next time, please be more patient ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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