On Dienstag, 28. April 2020, 15:37:51 CEST wrote Stasiek Michalski:
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 15:19, Adrian Schröter <adrian(a)suse.de> wrote:
On Dienstag, 28. April 2020, 15:10:23 CEST wrote
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:41, Adrian Schröter <adrian(a)suse.de>
> Unfortunately, a split was going to be
required no matter what,
> especially if openSUSE was going to become its own legal entity
> (w.r.t. the Foundation). It would be insane to not be able to be
> responsible for our own accounts data.
okay, but this is a very large and long term task. Nothing what
can be done in next days.
Well, we are doing it, how big of a slip do you foresee for OBS
Frankly, I do not want even discuss it these days.
We (or better the eng-infra team) are working on the successor of the
MF login system which can be used as a plugin replacement. This has
been clarified between various teams, the board and legal wise
(keep in mind that user data belongs to someone and can not be copied
easily between entities).
Sorry, but I do not have time atm to even discuss any alternative
We can do so in a few weeks, but this stuff needs planing and can not
thrown over the fence.
And I see it very confusing (read harmful) when we announce two
independend identity management systems at the same time for systems
which used the same before.
Well, the work on our version started in February, and ~2 weeks after
that we learned that in 6 weeks SUSE will be doing something, because MF
is dropping them, without ever even telling heroes, even though we can
check that some of them have to have known about our accounts system
plans. This lack of communication (and the lack of answers to any of my
questions about their system), is why we very much feel we sadly cannot
rely on their solution for any of our future deployments, because this
kind of communication kills the effectiveness of the heroes team.
Who is "their" here?
Bernhard and Daniel are part of eng-infra team creating the new solution.
This means we barely had the time to implement our own
otherwise we would have contacted you way way earlier, because I know
very well that switching over accounts system usually isn't that
I understand that this topic is frustrating (and believe me, it is for me
as well since ~ 1,5 years) but we should IMHO not have multiple own
and independend solutions atm. It will be very confusing for every user
and will increase complexity on many levels for ourself.
IMHO (but I have not discussed this with anyone yet) we should actually
aim for the opposite, supporting external identity providers instead directly.
This won't be possible for SUSE employees, but external new users could get
attracted by avoiding the hurdle to create yetanother account. But just being
able to use their Google/Bavarian/... account directly...
sorry, I do not want to destroy your work, but I think I should be clear
that I do not see that we would switch right away. Instead of wasting
even more time...
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