[opensuse-gnome] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

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Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar

25 Jul 2014 25 Jul '14

12:23

Hi GNOMEs! I know you have been patiently waiting for a sign of life from the GNOME Team.. sorry for the quietness, but we did not get lost; we are still here with you and for you. As the geeko following GNOME releases knows, GNOME 3.13.4 (the branch potentially leading to GNOME 3.14) has been released last Wednesday. As usual, the packages have been ready by that time in the Build Service, but you want to know HOW to get there, don't you? In line with the 're-targeting' of Factory, there are a few changes in repositories that you should be aware of: - openSUSE Factory => The 'Base' distribution repository we develop for - GNOME:Factory => latest STABLE GNOME Version, receiving regular updates of the stable branch, to keep GNOME in Factory 'up-to-date'; This is a small change, as it means you no longer get 'unstable' branches of GNOME in here. But it gets you (hopefully!) stable experience, which you can expect 'quickly' to land in openSUSE:Factory - GNOME:Next => This is where all the fun happens now: the NEXT release of GNOME is prepared here If it breaks, we're happy; if it works, we're even happier. In short: no 'guarantee' at any moment that this works; but I run it on my system. With this new layout, we believe to be able to better deliver upon the promise of a 'stable Factory'. Of course, this means lower speed of IN Factory, but users can rely on it. The GNOME Team runs as a bare minimum GNOME:Factory on top of that; in quiet times (between two major GNOME releases), this will be only very few differences, but we 'test' bug-fixes in here. And the crazy part of the GNOME Team is asked to run GNOME:Next (but is also asked to FIX stuff they break :) ) for you as User? Pick you poison! Carefully balance between new/stable and be prepared for an occasional break, the 'newer' you get. Users of GNOME:Next are most welcome, but encouraged to also hang around on IRC (#opensuse-gnome @ freenode) to have a short communication line to the team; and who knows? If you like it enough, you might be our new most active team member in no time! Special not when adding the repositories: GNOME:Next depends on GNOME:Factory depends on openSUSE:Factory; make sure to add THE FULL chain of repositories. Put the priorities right, so zypper dup knows what to do. All nice and good, you DO want to test GNOME 3.13.x, but for nothing on the world do you want to run Factory on your disk or mess with all those repositories? We are regularly building a live image, based on the GNOME:Next stack! there is NO QA (neither automatic nor manual) happening on it; at best, some of us might try to boot it every now and then. For the curious ones, it is available at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Medias/images/iso/?P=GNOME_... Questions? Comments? As usual, simply approach us! Best regards, Dominique / DimStar openSUSE GNOME Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

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Andreas Jaeger

25 Jul 25 Jul

13:04

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

On 07/25/2014 02:23 PM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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- GNOME:Factory => latest STABLE GNOME Version, receiving regular updates of the stable branch, to keep GNOME in Factory 'up-to-date'; This is a small change, as it means you no longer get 'unstable' branches of GNOME in here. But it gets you (hopefully!) stable experience, which you can expect 'quickly' to land in openSUSE:Factory

Dominique, how does this relate to GNOME:Stable? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar

12:35

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

Quoting Andreas Jaeger :

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On 07/25/2014 02:23 PM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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- GNOME:Factory => latest STABLE GNOME Version, receiving regular updates of the stable branch, to keep GNOME in Factory 'up-to-date'; This is a small change, as it means you no longer get 'unstable' branches of GNOME in here. But it gets you (hopefully!) stable experience, which you can expect 'quickly' to land in openSUSE:Factory

Dominique, how does this relate to GNOME:Stable?

Good question Andreas, Short answer: no change to what we have so far. Long answer: GNOME:STABLE:* are 'best effort' repositories provided for 'the latest version of GNOME on top of the latest release of openSUSE as long as resource and technicalities allows for it' So currently, that means GNOME 3.12 is available in there for openSUSE 13.1, which was shipped with GNOME 3.10. In September/October, GNOME 3.14 will be released, BUT the 'resource' factor will, with a high probability, NOT allow to port this to openSUSE 13.1, as we will be busy ensuring this to properly find its way into Factory for the 13.2 split. So for GNOME 3.14, the openSUSE Version to be used will be openSUSE 13.2. More hands might make it possible to provide it for older releases. Hope that answers the question. Best regards, Dominique / DimStar -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Greg KH

26 Jul 26 Jul

19:08

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:35:36PM +0000, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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Quoting Andreas Jaeger :

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On 07/25/2014 02:23 PM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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- GNOME:Factory => latest STABLE GNOME Version, receiving regular updates of the stable branch, to keep GNOME in Factory 'up-to-date'; This is a small change, as it means you no longer get 'unstable' branches of GNOME in here. But it gets you (hopefully!) stable experience, which you can expect 'quickly' to land in openSUSE:Factory

Dominique, how does this relate to GNOME:Stable?

Good question Andreas,

Short answer: no change to what we have so far.

Long answer:

GNOME:STABLE:* are 'best effort' repositories provided for 'the latest version of GNOME on top of the latest release of openSUSE as long as resource and technicalities allows for it'

So currently, that means GNOME 3.12 is available in there for openSUSE 13.1, which was shipped with GNOME 3.10.

In September/October, GNOME 3.14 will be released, BUT the 'resource' factor will, with a high probability, NOT allow to port this to openSUSE 13.1, as we will be busy ensuring this to properly find its way into Factory for the 13.2 split. So for GNOME 3.14, the openSUSE Version to be used will be openSUSE 13.2.

So, for Tumbleweed, that means I will not be able to offer GNOME 3.14? What in 13.2 do you "need" that keeps this from being backported to 13.1? Any specific packages that you know of? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar

18:56

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

Quoting Greg KH :

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:35:36PM +0000, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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Quoting Andreas Jaeger :

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On 07/25/2014 02:23 PM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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- GNOME:Factory => latest STABLE GNOME Version, receiving regular updates of the stable branch, to keep GNOME in Factory 'up-to-date'; This is a small change, as it means you no longer get 'unstable' branches of GNOME in here. But it gets you (hopefully!) stable experience, which you can expect 'quickly' to land in openSUSE:Factory

Dominique, how does this relate to GNOME:Stable?

Good question Andreas,

Short answer: no change to what we have so far.

Long answer:

GNOME:STABLE:* are 'best effort' repositories provided for 'the latest version of GNOME on top of the latest release of openSUSE as long as resource and technicalities allows for it'

So currently, that means GNOME 3.12 is available in there for openSUSE 13.1, which was shipped with GNOME 3.10.

In September/October, GNOME 3.14 will be released, BUT the 'resource' factor will, with a high probability, NOT allow to port this to openSUSE 13.1, as we will be busy ensuring this to properly find its way into Factory for the 13.2 split. So for GNOME 3.14, the openSUSE Version to be used will be openSUSE 13.2.

So, for Tumbleweed, that means I will not be able to offer GNOME 3.14? What in 13.2 do you "need" that keeps this from being backported to 13.1? Any specific packages that you know of?

Does it timewise make sense for the integration effort to get this to work in Tumbleweed (on top of 13.1)? We're talking about a 2 month overlap here, by when you normally would empty out TW and rebase it on top of 13.2, which supposedly brings GNOME 3.14. I can try to enable a build of current GNOME:Next over Tumbleweed to get a feel for what might be missing. Over 'pure' 13.1 I am sure that the Wayland stack is too (but can be disabled of course). Other than that: if ANYBODY want to test GNOME:Next on top of TW and/or 'pure' 13.1, please contact me; we can try to work together on such things. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Greg KH

27 Jul 27 Jul

03:25

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 06:56:00PM +0000, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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Quoting Greg KH :

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:35:36PM +0000, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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Quoting Andreas Jaeger :

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On 07/25/2014 02:23 PM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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- GNOME:Factory => latest STABLE GNOME Version, receiving regular updates of the stable branch, to keep GNOME in Factory 'up-to-date'; This is a small change, as it means you no longer get 'unstable' branches of GNOME in here. But it gets you (hopefully!) stable experience, which you can expect 'quickly' to land in openSUSE:Factory

Dominique, how does this relate to GNOME:Stable?

Good question Andreas,

Short answer: no change to what we have so far.

Long answer:

GNOME:STABLE:* are 'best effort' repositories provided for 'the latest version of GNOME on top of the latest release of openSUSE as long as resource and technicalities allows for it'

So currently, that means GNOME 3.12 is available in there for openSUSE 13.1, which was shipped with GNOME 3.10.

In September/October, GNOME 3.14 will be released, BUT the 'resource' factor will, with a high probability, NOT allow to port this to openSUSE 13.1, as we will be busy ensuring this to properly find its way into Factory for the 13.2 split. So for GNOME 3.14, the openSUSE Version to be used will be openSUSE 13.2.

So, for Tumbleweed, that means I will not be able to offer GNOME 3.14? What in 13.2 do you "need" that keeps this from being backported to 13.1? Any specific packages that you know of?

Does it timewise make sense for the integration effort to get this to work in Tumbleweed (on top of 13.1)? We're talking about a 2 month overlap here, by when you normally would empty out TW and rebase it on top of 13.2, which supposedly brings GNOME 3.14.

So no one using Tumbleweed can use GNOME 3.14 for 2 months? Why restrict that? What happens if 13.2 is delayed?

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I can try to enable a build of current GNOME:Next over Tumbleweed to get a feel for what might be missing. Over 'pure' 13.1 I am sure that the Wayland stack is too (but can be disabled of course).

As you say it's only for 13.2/Factory now, I was guessing that you might know of any potential issues that are there. If not, I'll be glad to test this out myself. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

26 Jul 26 Jul

21:11

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

* Greg KH [07-26-14 15:25]:

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:35:36PM +0000, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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So, for Tumbleweed, that means I will not be able to offer GNOME 3.14? What in 13.2 do you "need" that keeps this from being backported to 13.1? Any specific packages that you know of?

Is Tumbleweed going to continue that long? You indicated that it was effectively at eol ???? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Greg KH

27 Jul 27 Jul

03:23

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 05:11:32PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Greg KH [07-26-14 15:25]:

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:35:36PM +0000, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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So, for Tumbleweed, that means I will not be able to offer GNOME 3.14? What in 13.2 do you "need" that keeps this from being backported to 13.1? Any specific packages that you know of?

Is Tumbleweed going to continue that long? You indicated that it was effectively at eol ????

"that long"? Didn't the first post here say GNOME 3.14 was going to be out "soon"? What exactly is the timeframe here for the GNOME release? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Frederic Crozat

28 Jul 28 Jul

08:48

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

Le samedi 26 juillet 2014 à 20:23 -0700, Greg KH a écrit :

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 05:11:32PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Greg KH [07-26-14 15:25]:

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:35:36PM +0000, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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So, for Tumbleweed, that means I will not be able to offer GNOME 3.14? What in 13.2 do you "need" that keeps this from being backported to 13.1? Any specific packages that you know of?

Is Tumbleweed going to continue that long? You indicated that it was effectively at eol ????

"that long"? Didn't the first post here say GNOME 3.14 was going to be out "soon"?

What exactly is the timeframe here for the GNOME release?

GNOME 3.14 should be released on September 22, 2014 -- Frederic Crozat Project Manager Enterprise Desktop SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Greg KH

17:28

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:48:09AM +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote:

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Le samedi 26 juillet 2014 à 20:23 -0700, Greg KH a écrit :

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 05:11:32PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Greg KH [07-26-14 15:25]:

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:35:36PM +0000, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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So, for Tumbleweed, that means I will not be able to offer GNOME 3.14? What in 13.2 do you "need" that keeps this from being backported to 13.1? Any specific packages that you know of?

Is Tumbleweed going to continue that long? You indicated that it was effectively at eol ????

"that long"? Didn't the first post here say GNOME 3.14 was going to be out "soon"?

My mistake, I confused 3.13 with 3.14 in the original post.

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What exactly is the timeframe here for the GNOME release?

GNOME 3.14 should be released on September 22, 2014

Ok, plenty of time to know if we really will get 13.2 in November :) thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

Guido Berhoerster

25 Jul 25 Jul

13:15

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME Repo layout change & GNOME 3.13.x

Hi, are you aiming to include GNOME 3.14 and thus GTK 3.14 in 13.2? If so, at what stage are you planning to switch over to 3.13/14, at beta, RC, or release stage? I'm especially curious about GTK 3 since there was some talk on the artwork list to create a openSUSE-branded theme derived from Adwaita and the changes coming in GTK 3.14 would make that probably significantly easier. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org

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