On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 07:59, Vincent Untz wrote:

Hi,

Le vendredi 16 juillet 2010, à 11:02 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger a écrit :

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Dear openSUSE GNOME interested users / contributors.

openSUSE 11.3 has landed and in a unstoppable effort, development on the next release has certainly already started.

Yet, we should try to step back for a few minutes, trying to analyze what we did right in this cycle, what went wrong, what do we want to repeat and what certainly has to be avoided.

Thanks for starting this discussion.

One thing I think we should improve, imho, is features: we need to announce earlier the features we'll work on, and we need more people to work on features. Many of our features were really implemented only at the last minute, which is not the best thing...

I think as 11.3 is out the door, maybe we should have a meeting or discussion focusing on what features, changes, and improvement we want to show up in 11.4(?) soon. This way we have a clear roadmap of what we want the next release to look like. As a side note, Hopefully with this next release I'll be much more help when it comes to the accessibility stuff. I should have more time, but who knows. Anyways, when will GNOME:Factory open up for GNOME 3.0? Cheers, Stephen PS. HUGE thanks to all those that put a lot of effort into this release!!!!!!!

(agree with your comments too, btw)

Cheers,

Vincent

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vuntz, maybe you can clearify. Is at-spi2 going to become the default with gnome 3.0? If so, I can update the accessibility packages to reflect that. Stephen On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 09:00, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On 7/16/2010 at 16:57, Stephen Shaw wrote: Anyways, when will GNOME:Factory open up for GNOME 3.0?

Well, that's one of the efforts mentioned in 'work is already going on': I have almost the entire stack building in my branch already. But too early to cheer, still a lot to do.

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On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:46, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le vendredi 16 juillet 2010, à 10:33 -0600, Stephen Shaw a écrit :

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vuntz, maybe you can clearify.

Is at-spi2 going to become the default with gnome 3.0?  If so, I can update the accessibility packages to reflect that.

It should, but we'll know better after GUADEC.

(FWIW, it's really just updating a %define at the topic of at-spi, at-spi2-atk, and python-atspi, so it's a trivial change to do)

why do you think I volunteered to do that ;) Cheers, Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:31, Sankar P wrote:

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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Dear openSUSE GNOME interested users / contributors.

openSUSE 11.3 has landed and in a unstoppable effort, development on the next release has certainly already started.

Yet, we should try to step back for a few minutes, trying to analyze what we did right in this cycle, what went wrong, what do we want to repeat and what certainly has to be avoided.

I think, from my point of view, we managed pretty well during the entire cycle to stay up-to-date with upstream development and packages were almost up-to-date the same day GNOME Upstream had a release.

We had some very valuable bug reports coming in, but on those I'm afraid a big bunch started only coming in during RC phase, which was very difficult for to get all of them addressed in time.

Organizational, I would have to say though that we, the gnome team, were lousy in keeping up to any outlined schedule for meetings. Shame on us on this one! I'm sure having those regularly could make it easier for not-yet-contributors to jump in, having a decent starting point. Also, I feel we're lacking a up-to-date ToDo list, which we could also hand out to willing contributors to catch up with us (there are several application / packaging requests in openFATE of course... but not everybody wants to do packaging).

So, let's rumble, let's get all the feelings, good and bad out, let's learn from our mistakes and let's keep the good behaviour we developed for the next release.

Good: + We did lots of testing (when compared with say 10.3/11.0 release) even though it started late, atleast imo. + Obsoleting GTK 1.x, HAL. + Moving away from beagle, pidgin etc. + Highly responsive mailing list and irc activities

Needs Improvement: - We need to start conducting #opensuse-gnome irc meetings (awafaa asked me to send the agenda for next meeting. so if you have any items, do send me) - Missed sonar-icon-theme packaging.  As sonar is the default theme, I consider this to be bad.  Our defaults should always give an error/warning-free first impression. - We should try for: Number of bugs upstreamed should not exceed Number of bugfixes/patches upstreamed. & last-but-not-least - There is only one booster working for GNOME. We need atleast one more ;-)

yeah, what's going on with the booster team? Seems like it was off to a good start and then seems to of somewhat died. Whether that's true or not, we lost the other gnome guy almost instantly, connect stuff seems to have fizzed out, and there are no reports. Not much to go off of. If the booster team isn't really dead, it would be nice to know what going on since they are supposed to be dedicated to the 'community' release. (as far as I understood it). Plus if the community doesn't know what the boosters are working on then the community can't help as much, not to take away from all of the work that was done in gnome and kde. Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Le vendredi 16 juillet 2010, à 12:57 -0600, Stephen Shaw a écrit :

yeah, what's going on with the booster team? Seems like it was off to a good start and then seems to of somewhat died. Whether that's true or not, we lost the other gnome guy almost instantly, connect stuff seems to have fizzed out, and there are no reports. Not much to go off of. If the booster team isn't really dead, it would be nice to know what going on since they are supposed to be dedicated to the 'community' release. (as far as I understood it). Plus if the community doesn't know what the boosters are working on then the community can't help as much, not to take away from all of the work that was done in gnome and kde.

Ah, interesting feedback. All boosters are sending weekly reports (see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-boosters/) and Henne is blogging every now and then about our activities (see http://blog.hennevogel.de/ for example). For example, the wiki migration, the new unified theme on the websites, some good improvements to the build service were all "boosted" by the boosters (of course, the boosters were not the only ones to work on that). I'd love to hear how you think we could communicate better on our activities -- I'm sure it's far from perfect, and that's an important area to improve. FWIW, in my personal case, most of my boosters time is used in the GNOME Team, or helping people in general and making sure some important discussions go in the right direction (+ my time I use upstream, of course). And that leaves nearly no time for new activities :/ Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Hey, Le vendredi 16 juillet 2010, à 17:36 -0600, Stephen Shaw a écrit :

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 16:15, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le vendredi 16 juillet 2010, à 12:57 -0600, Stephen Shaw a écrit :

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yeah, what's going on with the booster team?

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Sorry, the goal wasn't to infer that you guys weren't doing anything. I probably could have worded it better.

(don't be sorry: that's not how I understood your mail! And feedback is always welcome anyway -- there's always room for improvement)

When you guys started out there were several blog posts and then they died off. I realize, now, that there is a mailing list. Unfortunately, a mailing list isn't probably the best medium for the average user or general public to consume. At the same time, I'm not expecting a blog post every day.

It would be good to have the community/general public see what cool things the booster team is up to without having to add yet another mailing list.

Oh, the mailing list is just useful in case people want to follow things really closely. My feeling is that there are actually posts about what's happening appearing on Planet openSUSE, but you don't see mention of boosters in there, so maybe the connection between the activity and the team is not visible in that case? For example, when I go to an event to give a talk and help with a booth, this is boosting but I don't mention "boosters" in the post. The various posts explaining the wiki migration were also not mentioning the team. And of course, there could be more posts and more communication in general... Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org