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Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy

23 Aug 2009 23 Aug '09

20:50

Both bugs 436758[1] and 386359[2] have been open for a year or more, both relating to YaST & the Control Center. The first recommends YaST, in the right hand side of the Computer menu, should be renamed to something more descriptive, like "Administrator Settings". This was originally opened against 11.1 but was pushed back. [1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436758 The second recommends re-adding Common Tasks to the Control Center, as we had during 10.2. It was quick shortcuts to tasks (like Add a Printer, Manage Accounts, Change Default Applications) that can be quickly done in either the Control Center or YaST. This was originally opened against 11.0(!). [2] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=386359 Is there enough time to get these two usability issues settled before 11.2? Thanks, -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Project Member http://www.twitter.com/KevinYeaux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

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Vincent Untz

27 Aug 27 Aug

14:26

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Bug 436758 & 386359 - Renaming YaST in the menu and Control Center tasks

Le dimanche 23 août 2009, à 15:50 -0500, Kevin Yeaux Dupuy a écrit :

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Both bugs 436758[1] and 386359[2] have been open for a year or more, both relating to YaST & the Control Center.

The first recommends YaST, in the right hand side of the Computer menu, should be renamed to something more descriptive, like "Administrator Settings". This was originally opened against 11.1 but was pushed back. [1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436758

Yeah, that's the Name vs GenericName issue. Magnus or Federico should probably comment on that, since it's a gnome-main-menu issue.

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The second recommends re-adding Common Tasks to the Control Center, as we had during 10.2. It was quick shortcuts to tasks (like Add a Printer, Manage Accounts, Change Default Applications) that can be quickly done in either the Control Center or YaST. This was originally opened against 11.0(!). [2] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=386359

This one is trivial to solve, as long as we come with a list of capplets to add there. I had planned to do that a bit later in the cycle (since it's doable when we're frozen for many many things), but help is welcome. If you can come with a list of tasks, it's just a simple thing to change in gconf2-branding-openSUSE, iirc. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy

30 Aug 30 Aug

01:19

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Bug 436758 & 386359 - Renaming YaST in the menu and Control Center tasks

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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This one is trivial to solve, as long as we come with a list of capplets to add there. I had planned to do that a bit later in the cycle (since it's doable when we're frozen for many many things), but help is welcome. If you can come with a list of tasks, it's just a simple thing to change in gconf2-branding-openSUSE, iirc.

How about: *Add User (opens YaST User and Group Management) *Change Look and Feel (opens Appearance) *Add Printer (opens system-config-printer) *Configure Network (or Connect to the Internet?), opens NetworkManager settings window *Change Account Picture (opens About Me) *Open Administrator Settings (opens YaST) Some of these came from the 10.2 Control Center (http://en.opensuse.org/Image:GNOME_Control_center.jpg), BTW. What do ya'll think? Anything that should be added/removed/changed? -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Project Member www.yeauxinthemorning.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Vincent Untz

1 Sep 1 Sep

13:02

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Bug 436758 & 386359 - Renaming YaST in the menu and Control Center tasks

(this was discussed on opensuse-factory too, trying to consolidate the discussion here since it's more appropriate) Le samedi 29 août 2009, à 20:19 -0500, Kevin Yeaux Dupuy a écrit :

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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This one is trivial to solve, as long as we come with a list of capplets to add there. I had planned to do that a bit later in the cycle (since it's doable when we're frozen for many many things), but help is welcome. If you can come with a list of tasks, it's just a simple thing to change in gconf2-branding-openSUSE, iirc.

How about: *Add User (opens YaST User and Group Management) *Change Look and Feel (opens Appearance) *Add Printer (opens system-config-printer) *Configure Network (or Connect to the Internet?), opens NetworkManager settings window *Change Account Picture (opens About Me) *Open Administrator Settings (opens YaST)

Some of these came from the 10.2 Control Center (http://en.opensuse.org/Image:GNOME_Control_center.jpg), BTW.

What do ya'll think? Anything that should be added/removed/changed?

Here's what I have so far: Change Look and Feel: gnome-appearance-properties.desktop Set Preferred Applications: default-applications.desktop Configure Printer: system-config-printer.desktop Configure Network: nm-connection-editor.desktop Edit Personal Information: gnome-about-me.desktop Add User: YaST2/users.desktop Open Administrator Settings: YaST.desktop I'm not really sure about "add user", to be honest: I don't think it happens that often, and it's pretty clear that it'd be part of "Open Administrator Settings". Now, one major issue is that the strings will be in english :/ Scott, do you know how we're supposed to handle the translation of common tasks in the cc shell? Are we really expecting to have translated text from gconf? If yes, then it doesn't work out well with the way we do gconf branding; we'd probably need to find another way... Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

2 Sep 2 Sep

00:20

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Now, one major issue is that the strings will be in english :/ Scott, do you know how we're supposed to handle the translation of common tasks in the cc shell? Are we really expecting to have translated text from gconf? If yes, then it doesn't work out well with the way we do gconf branding; we'd probably need to find another way...

If you put them into somewhere in a .pot file (lcn or yast branch), we will translate it, same as we do the rest of pots. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqdul4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VkYwCfdZarc5doEfP9atftmvAn13vr T8wAn3wFXLSW2Kyh9+V3HE2tDcsfPt4+ =WzSz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Vincent Untz

01:07

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Le mercredi 02 septembre 2009, à 02:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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On Tuesday, 2009-09-01 at 15:02 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Now, one major issue is that the strings will be in english :/ Scott, do you know how we're supposed to handle the translation of common tasks in the cc shell? Are we really expecting to have translated text from gconf? If yes, then it doesn't work out well with the way we do gconf branding; we'd probably need to find another way...

If you put them into somewhere in a .pot file (lcn or yast branch), we will translate it, same as we do the rest of pots.

Not really. This means we'll have translations available, but they won't get used, given how the code currently behaves. Which is why I was asking Scott what's the best way to fix this :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Scott Reeves

17:45

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On 9/1/2009 at 07:02 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: This one is trivial to solve, as long as we come with a list of capplets to add there. I had planned to do that a bit later in the cycle (since it's doable when we're frozen for many many things), but help is welcome. If you can come with a list of tasks, it's just a simple thing to change in gconf2-branding-openSUSE, iirc.

I don't think we have ever changed this list via branding.

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Here's what I have so far:

I would suggest adding "Change Password:gnome-passwd.desktop" We are adding that to SLED for fate #302560

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Change Look and Feel: gnome-appearance-properties.desktop Set Preferred Applications: default-applications.desktop Configure Printer: system-config-printer.desktop Configure Network: nm-connection-editor.desktop Edit Personal Information: gnome-about-me.desktop Add User: YaST2/users.desktop

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Open Administrator Settings: YaST.desktop hmm, yeah I guess. Although with YaST now being a top level item in the main menu system area, do we want this redundancy at this level also?

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I'm not really sure about "add user", to be honest: I don't think it happens that often, and it's pretty clear that it'd be part of "Open Administrator Settings".

Now, one major issue is that the strings will be in english :/ Scott, do you know how we're supposed to handle the translation of common tasks in the cc shell? Are we really expecting to have translated text from gconf?

Currently yes.

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If yes, then it doesn't work out well with the way we do gconf branding; we'd probably need to find another way...

We could just directly patch the schema file in gnome-control-center and then gnome-patch-translation should take care of it right? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Scott Reeves

17:55

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On 9/2/2009 at 11:45 AM, "Scott Reeves" wrote:

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On 9/1/2009 at 07:02 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Here's what I have so far:

I would suggest adding "Change Password:gnome-passwd.desktop" We are adding that to SLED for fate #302560

Never mind - missed the "Edit Personal Information" in the list below.

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Change Look and Feel: gnome-appearance-properties.desktop Set Preferred Applications: default-applications.desktop Configure Printer: system-config-printer.desktop Configure Network: nm-connection-editor.desktop Edit Personal Information: gnome-about-me.desktop Add User: YaST2/users.desktop

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Vincent Untz

4 Sep 4 Sep

13:47

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Le mercredi 02 septembre 2009, à 11:45 -0600, Scott Reeves a écrit :

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On 9/1/2009 at 07:02 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: This one is trivial to solve, as long as we come with a list of capplets to add there. I had planned to do that a bit later in the cycle (since it's doable when we're frozen for many many things), but help is welcome. If you can come with a list of tasks, it's just a simple thing to change in gconf2-branding-openSUSE, iirc.

I don't think we have ever changed this list via branding.

We do since 11.1 at least, afaik. Are you suggesting that we should patch the schema file in gnome-control-center? (I'd like to avoid that, but if there's no other solution...) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Atri

18 Oct 18 Oct

20:30

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Bug 436758 & 386359 - Renaming YaST in the menu and Control Center tasks

On Friday 04 September 2009 19:17:07 Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le mercredi 02 septembre 2009, à 11:45 -0600, Scott Reeves a écrit :

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On 9/1/2009 at 07:02 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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This one is trivial to solve, as long as we come with a list of capplets to add there. I had planned to do that a bit later in the cycle (since it's doable when we're frozen for many many things), but help is welcome. If you can come with a list of tasks, it's just a simple thing to change in gconf2-branding-openSUSE, iirc.

I don't think we have ever changed this list via branding.

We do since 11.1 at least, afaik. Are you suggesting that we should patch the schema file in gnome-control-center? (I'd like to avoid that, but if there's no other solution...)

Vincent

Nothing about the control-centre tasks in RC1 yet. Will this (adding common tasks to the left pane of gnome-control-centre) be done for 11.2 final at all? Please look into it as it is very useful to have the common tasks staring at you rather than you having to stare at the control-centre trying to locate them, or typing some text in the search field. -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Vincent Untz

19 Oct 19 Oct

08:16

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] Bug 436758 & 386359 - Renaming YaST in the menu and Control Center tasks

Le lundi 19 octobre 2009, à 02:00 +0530, Atri a écrit :

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On Friday 04 September 2009 19:17:07 Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le mercredi 02 septembre 2009, à 11:45 -0600, Scott Reeves a écrit :

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On 9/1/2009 at 07:02 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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This one is trivial to solve, as long as we come with a list of capplets to add there. I had planned to do that a bit later in the cycle (since it's doable when we're frozen for many many things), but help is welcome. If you can come with a list of tasks, it's just a simple thing to change in gconf2-branding-openSUSE, iirc.

I don't think we have ever changed this list via branding.

We do since 11.1 at least, afaik. Are you suggesting that we should patch the schema file in gnome-control-center? (I'd like to avoid that, but if there's no other solution...)

Vincent

Nothing about the control-centre tasks in RC1 yet. Will this (adding common tasks to the left pane of gnome-control-centre) be done for 11.2 final at all? Please look into it as it is very useful to have the common tasks staring at you rather than you having to stare at the control-centre trying to locate them, or typing some text in the search field.

I've had something ready for this, but this was blocked on the translation issue :/ If we consider it's better to ignore the translation issue for now, then this is the patch for gconf2-branding-openSUSE. Index: gconf2-branding.spec.in =================================================================== --- gconf2-branding.spec.in (revision 0f3a448b415bdcd6448fd4cb82a80a4e) +++ gconf2-branding.spec.in (working copy) @@ -152,8 +152,10 @@ %define gconf_load %gconf_call --load mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/gconf/gconf.xml.vendor # Set actions list differently from upstream: -# FIXME: NEEDS-REBASE -#%gconf_set /apps/control-center/cc_actions_list --type=list --list-type=string "[Add Printer;system-config-printer.desktop,Configure Network;nm-connection-editor.desktop,Change Password;gnome-passwd.desktop,Add User;YaST2/users.desktop,Open Administrator Settings;YaST.desktop]" +# Note: please keep in sync the strings here with the strings added by +# gnome-control-center-shell-common-tasks-i18n.patch in gnome-control-center. +# Else, they won't be translated. +%gconf_set /apps/control-center/cc_actions_list --type=list --list-type=string "[Change Look and Feel;gnome-appearance-properties.desktop,Set Preferred Applications;default-applications.desktop,Configure Printer;system-config-printer.desktop,Configure Network;nm-connection-editor.desktop,Edit Personal Information;gnome-about-me.desktop,Add User;YaST2/users.desktop,Open Administrator Settings;YaST.desktop]" # Change epiphany homepage: %if %build_openSUSE %gconf_set /apps/epiphany/general/homepage --type=string "http://www.opensuse.org/" Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

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